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iamspamus -> Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 12:46:15 AM)

Um, ok, what the hell does one have to do to conquer Turkey? I'm playing AUS. I was besieging Constantinople in Nov 05, I think. I took it in Feb. No surrender. I took all but Trabazon, Moldavia, Bessarabia and the islands by mid-06. I finally got all but the one that borders Russia and the islands by Oct 06 (over a year and a half fighting). He has no money for 3 or 4 eco phases. He has one cav unit in the middle of anatolia. What gives?

Jason



ndrose -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 3:29:32 AM)

Sometimes the Turks won't surrender until they're in civil disorder. I think the AI for Turkey is probably written so that it doesn't worry about production, because it looks forward to bringing all the feudals up; but it doesn't realize that if the feudal provinces are garrisoned, and there are no troops left to retake any of them, then the feudals aren't coming back either.

The Light Infantry is great for dropping garrisons in those distant capitals. You don't have to have the islands, since they produce no manpower. Once you have the rest, surrender is automatic.



iamspamus -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 8:46:03 AM)

I actually know the specific mechanics. The topmost province (don't have my map open) also doesn't produce any MP. It's like a $2/0MP. I was kinda venting. It's just frustrating as you say with all of the non-island provinces and Bessarabia controlled, and it takes 2 years to conquer them.

Jason

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ORIGINAL: ndrose

Sometimes the Turks won't surrender until they're in civil disorder. I think the AI for Turkey is probably written so that it doesn't worry about production, because it looks forward to bringing all the feudals up; but it doesn't realize that if the feudal provinces are garrisoned, and there are no troops left to retake any of them, then the feudals aren't coming back either.

The Light Infantry is great for dropping garrisons in those distant capitals. You don't have to have the islands, since they produce no manpower. Once you have the rest, surrender is automatic.




Marshall Ellis -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 1:58:42 PM)

HINT:

Turkey doesn't really care about money (Hard to care about what you don't have).

Now if you put her in civil disorder then she should surrender BUT remember that civil disorder can really only happen in an eco phase when MP form your home nation is collected.




ndrose -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 3:06:19 PM)

Marshall,

Turkey not caring about money is fine, but (see my post above) it should care about not being able to bring up the feudals.



iamspamus -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/2/2008 5:27:42 PM)

Good comments, Ndrose.

Also, it should care about VPs. Spending a year getting none, is just as big of a hit.

Don't need to tell you, but in EIA when in a war, one reaches a tipping point where the attacker has to commit a lot making him pick to only take an unconditional surrender. As a corrollary is the point when the defender really starts to hurt. This could be no money (which an ally could help) and/or when you are out of inf/mil and are starting to lose guards, cav or art and/or you are making no VPs. All of these need to be considered. In addition, for Turkey it needs to consider surrendering at the end of the year, rather than early on in a new year, so that it is not naked for other country's aggression with no feudal corps.

Jason

quote:

ORIGINAL: ndrose

Marshall,

Turkey not caring about money is fine, but (see my post above) it should care about not being able to bring up the feudals.




Marshall Ellis -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/3/2008 12:44:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ndrose

Marshall,

Turkey not caring about money is fine, but (see my post above) it should care about not being able to bring up the feudals.


The AI will really swing the odds to surrender IF there are almost no units available in this case BUT it is not automatic.




obsidiandrag -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/3/2008 2:07:52 PM)

Keep in mind you have to stay on Turkey to force the surrender.. The Turk only has to make it take long enough for the French to come in behind you to make you withdrawl...



Marshall Ellis -> RE: Death to Turkey (12/4/2008 11:02:40 AM)

This is correct.
The truth is that Turkey suffers less in a full invasion than the other MPs.
Her income actually changes little LOL!




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