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jarmenia -> One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/19/2008 2:04:35 AM)

Is there any advantage in having units in the same formation rather than having them in seperate formations but in the same stack? An example, I want to keep 20 infantry with my 4 light tanks. Will I suffer any in game penalties if I have the 20 inf in one formation and the 4 tanks in the other as long as I keep them in the same stack rather than have them in one formation?

Also is there and supply penalty for just having a formation? I'm considering keeping all my fighters and dive bombers in their own formations (7 fighter formations, 7 dive bomber formations) to give me maximum flexibility. Is there any reason I shouldn't do this?


Thanks,

John



Twotribes -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/19/2008 9:12:20 AM)

I believe the game uses stack points, but it may use formations in computing attacks. You gain advantages from multiple attacks in different hexes. As to infantry in its own formation, you then would have to provide a means to mobilize them. Each tank can carry 5 infantry.

Also I believe if they are in the same formation they will help soak up losses IN that formation.



jarmenia -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/19/2008 1:24:15 PM)

Ok thanks. That's what I was wondering. I couldn't tell if the game treated each formation in the hex as one formation or as seperate formations in terms of casualty calculations.



explorer2 -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/19/2008 11:58:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Also I believe if they are in the same formation they will help soak up losses IN that formation.


I would really like confirmation of this point one way or another.

My impression is that whether the STACK is being attacked or counter attacked, the entire stack is attacked, so it makes no difference whether the riflemen for instance are in the same or different formation as the tanks.
So for instance, if a unit of 4 tanks, in a stack along with a unit of 20 riflemen, attacks a stack of say 40 riflemen, where only the tanks attack, when the 40 riflemen COUNTER attack, they have to counter attack the entire stack, so the riflemen would absorb most of the losses.

If I'm wrong, I REALLY want to know. My gaming would improve greatly if I've not understood this.

Thanks in advance.



Twotribes -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/20/2008 2:39:31 AM)

A counter attack is only against the UNITS that attacked. Further a single military piece can only attack x number of times and has a list with percentages as to what it will try to attack.

If the attack is only tanks it does not matter one bit what some other unit in that hex has in it. The fight will only be between the units assigned to attack and the hex attacked.

Or did you miss the combat screen?



jarmenia -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/21/2008 7:12:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

A counter attack is only against the UNITS that attacked. Further a single military piece can only attack x number of times and has a list with percentages as to what it will try to attack.

If the attack is only tanks it does not matter one bit what some other unit in that hex has in it. The fight will only be between the units assigned to attack and the hex attacked.

Or did you miss the combat screen?


But how does that relate to my inital question. If you send in a formation of inf and a formation of tanks from the same hex, will the inf take most of the punishment or do they have to be in the same formation for that to happen?



Jeffrey H. -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/21/2008 10:19:46 PM)

This would be good to get an answer on. Maybe we could do some testing ?



Twotribes -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/21/2008 10:20:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jarmenia


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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

A counter attack is only against the UNITS that attacked. Further a single military piece can only attack x number of times and has a list with percentages as to what it will try to attack.

If the attack is only tanks it does not matter one bit what some other unit in that hex has in it. The fight will only be between the units assigned to attack and the hex attacked.

Or did you miss the combat screen?


But how does that relate to my inital question. If you send in a formation of inf and a formation of tanks from the same hex, will the inf take most of the punishment or do they have to be in the same formation for that to happen?


I responded to the post above me, not you. I prefer to put infantry with my armor since they will not always have seperate Infantry units around.



jarmenia -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/21/2008 11:02:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twotribes


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ORIGINAL: jarmenia


quote:

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

A counter attack is only against the UNITS that attacked. Further a single military piece can only attack x number of times and has a list with percentages as to what it will try to attack.

If the attack is only tanks it does not matter one bit what some other unit in that hex has in it. The fight will only be between the units assigned to attack and the hex attacked.

Or did you miss the combat screen?


But how does that relate to my inital question. If you send in a formation of inf and a formation of tanks from the same hex, will the inf take most of the punishment or do they have to be in the same formation for that to happen?


I responded to the post above me, not you. I prefer to put infantry with my armor since they will not always have seperate Infantry units around.


I appreciate the answer but that's not what the question was. What would happen if infantry are in the same stuck but not the same formation as the Armor?



82ndtrooper -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/22/2008 7:21:07 AM)

I believe he answered you in a round about way.

quote :
I responded to the post above me, not you. I prefer to put infantry with my armor since they will not always have seperate Infantry units around.
...

there he said he keeps inf. with his tanks because there may not allways be a seperate unit with inf in the same stack to help defend.

so it seems the inf will help your tanks survive if they are in the same stack but in a different unit.

I am new to this game also but it is my understanding that each unit has a favorite target it likes to shoot at first. So if you have infantry in the same stack with your armor ,regardless of what unit its in, any attacking units whoes favorite target is infantry will attack your infantry first before attacking your armor.




jarmenia -> RE: One Formation or Stack 'em? (12/22/2008 12:10:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

I believe he answered you in a round about way.

quote :
I responded to the post above me, not you. I prefer to put infantry with my armor since they will not always have seperate Infantry units around.
...

there he said he keeps inf. with his tanks because there may not allways be a seperate unit with inf in the same stack to help defend.

so it seems the inf will help your tanks survive if they are in the same stack but in a different unit.

I am new to this game also but it is my understanding that each unit has a favorite target it likes to shoot at first. So if you have infantry in the same stack with your armor ,regardless of what unit its in, any attacking units whoes favorite target is infantry will attack your infantry first before attacking your armor.




THat was much clearer. Thanks.



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