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wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 3:39:27 AM)

OK... I'm sorry... I just couldn't help myself.[;)]



TOMLABEL -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 3:46:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Knavey

Ok...I am not quitting, and as many have pointed out in this thread (and the others), this really did happen and just goes to show that sometimes, FACT is stranger than the coding that we have in our favorite game.

Consider all yourselves Knaveybacks for the next time...when we cross the line!  No more Knaveywogs in this thread.

And for the record, I never did (cross the line)...the Med just doesn't go that far south.




But wait!!!! It really did happen to me!!!! I swear!!!!![:@]

Just remember, there's other Knavywogs out there to be had!!!

TOMLABEL (aka Knaveyback) Don't take it too hard guys, he had me going many times!!!![:D]




Sarconix -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 3:48:16 AM)

"MSW Penguin" ... I am assuming this is the same vessel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Penguin_(AM-33)

So... how does a minesweeper armed with (only?) AA guns take out two destroyers and shell an airbase? Seems like like a bug, not just unlikely. Or am I missing something?

As for two bombers taking out four out of thirteen Zeros and having a successful bombing run and with no losses, that at least appears to be possible. Well, assuming those Zero pilots were fresh out of training.



bradfordkay -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 3:49:36 AM)

Yes, the Knavey WTF? posts are a right of passage on the WITP forum. There's no way that we veterans are going to spoil the fun too early... [:-]



wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 3:57:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sarconix

"MSW Penguin" ... I am assuming this is the same vessel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Penguin_(AM-33)

So... how does a minesweeper armed with (only?) AA guns take out two destroyers and shell an airbase? Seems like like a bug, not just unlikely. Or am I missing something?

As for two bombers taking out four out of thirteen Zeros and having a successful bombing run and with no losses, that at least appears to be possible. Well, assuming those Zero pilots were fresh out of training.


How did those Lockheed 212's get to 32000 ft? They used their Irony!



Knavey -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 4:13:35 AM)

[&o][&o][&o]

USS Penguin...Incredible!



Sarconix -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 5:45:50 AM)

Seriously, is this a bug, or I missing something about the capabilities of the fine warship pictured below?

[image]http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h99000/h99458.jpg[/image]

Unless they stuck a 5-inch gun on this thing, I don't see how it will sink anything but a rowboat.

(This thread is sure going to strange places...)



Iridium -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 5:55:05 AM)

Do not underestimate the capabilities of a trawler.[:-]

[:D]



JeffroK -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 7:23:54 AM)

Especially one that has been sweeping mines, or drinking the local Guamainian Kava.

70 posts, must be a record for Knavey!



Knavey -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 10:44:53 PM)

I think I made it to page 4 once...but it was hijacked about half way through.



rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/15/2009 11:50:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Knavey

I think I made it to page 4 once...but it was hijacked about half way through.

Somebody hijacked a thread on the WITP forum?? When did that ever happen??? [X(] [&:] [:'(]



wdolson -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/16/2009 12:23:51 AM)

It looked like the ships at Guam were bombarding.  Though there is no report of CD guns firing.  A few CD guns cound do that kind of damage.

Bill



rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/16/2009 12:26:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wdolson

It looked like the ships at Guam were bombarding.  Though there is no report of CD guns firing.  A few CD guns cound do that kind of damage.

Bill


i was guessing this was some sort of made up report, like the original... ships do not defend in bombardment attacks... tf's can intercept, but those are reported in separate battles.



bradfordkay -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/16/2009 12:36:20 AM)

In CHS, at least, there are no CD guns at Guam...



wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/16/2009 1:08:04 AM)

Well, The Penguin had two 3in/50 Mk 10 Guns, but clearly, I think it sunk the heavy cruiser with with its Lewis Guns.



seydlitz_slith -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/16/2009 3:55:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wwengr



How did those Lockheed 212's get to 32000 ft? They used their Irony!


Wait, I heard about that...they made a move about that starring Lou Gossett Jr. It was called Irony Eagle.



Hornblower -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 6:24:35 AM)

be you em pee



greycat -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 8:10:51 AM)

I think someone is pulling our legs!



Kull -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 3:52:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iridium

While escorting a convoy of transports en route to Guadalcanal, joint TFs 17 and 18 were attacked by the Japanese submarines I-15 and I-19 on 15 September 1942. Wasp (CV-7) was sunk; North Carolina (BB-55) and O’Brien were damaged by torpedo attacks.


15 September 1942 - "The explosion did little local damage, but set up severe structural stresses through the ship."

16 September 1942 - "Able to proceed under her own power, the destroyer reached Espiritu Santo, where Curtiss made temporary repairs."

21 September 1942 - "O’Brien sailed for Noumea, New Caledonia, for further repairs by Argonne (AG-31)"

10 October 1942 - "Proceeding to San Francisco...."

13 October 1942 - "She made Suva...."

16 October 1942 - "Sailed once more...."

18 October 1942 - "It was necessary for O’Brien to proceed to the nearest anchorage. Topside weight was jettisoned and preparations were made for abandoning ship, but it was still thought that the ship could be brought intact to Pago Pago."

19 October 1942 - "The bottom suddenly opened up considerably and the forward and after portions of the hull began to work independently. At 06:30 all hands except a salvage crew went over the side; and half an hour later the ship was abandoned entirely. Just before 08:00 she went under, after steaming almost 3,000 miles (5,500 km) since torpedoed. All the crew were saved."

A few thoughts.....

1) As we all know, the WitP "progressive flooding" model had no parallels in real life. Errrr....

2) And speaking of WitP craziness, only the AI would take a Destroyer topedoed near the Solomon Islands and send it all the way back to San Francisco. Errrr......

[;)]



stuman -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 4:02:42 PM)

One of the reasons I really like these forums is the tidbits like this I am always picking up. I had not been aware that ships other than the Wasp had been sunk  by the same sub until Knavey " got me ".



rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 5:35:11 PM)

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As we all know, the WitP "progressive flooding" model had no parallels in real life. Errrr....


No progressive flooding - just sudden and catastrophic structural failure... lots of stuff not modeled in WITP, like spontaneous magazine explosions destroying a BB, or ammo ship blowing up and taking numerous boats and a couple of ships with them, or grounding of ships which either destroys them or takes them our of action, collisions between ships, typhoons that sank multiple ships, etc., etc.

Most players would scream bloody murder if a CV grounded during operations (yes, it happened), or a BB blew up (again, it happened), or one of the ALMOST DAILY mishaps that occurred operationally during the war on both sides that routinely severely damaged and/or destroyed hundreds of smaller vessels through the war.

One of the precursor games to WITP had a pretty nice weather model - and you picked up more SYS damage in a hurry if you were sailing in it. It DID make it nice to sneak in a carrier group behind a weather front, though. [:)] However, i think we'll have to wait for WITP II for this to happen.



wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 6:04:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

As we all know, the WitP "progressive flooding" model had no parallels in real life. Errrr....


No progressive flooding - just sudden and catastrophic structural failure... lots of stuff not modeled in WITP, like spontaneous magazine explosions destroying a BB, or ammo ship blowing up and taking numerous boats and a couple of ships with them, or grounding of ships which either destroys them or takes them our of action, collisions between ships, typhoons that sank multiple ships, etc., etc.

Most players would scream bloody murder if a CV grounded during operations (yes, it happened), or a BB blew up (again, it happened), or one of the ALMOST DAILY mishaps that occurred operationally during the war on both sides that routinely severely damaged and/or destroyed hundreds of smaller vessels through the war.

One of the precursor games to WITP had a pretty nice weather model - and you picked up more SYS damage in a hurry if you were sailing in it. It DID make it nice to sneak in a carrier group behind a weather front, though. [:)] However, i think we'll have to wait for WITP II for this to happen.

How many people would want to quit if the had an amunition ship spontaneously explode in San Francisco (WITP's abstraction for all ports in the Bay area) as a total loss, destroying 9 LCM's, and causing serious damage to: 2 cargo ships, 1 tanker, 1 troop ship, 1 oiler, 2 repair ships, 1 destroyer tender, 1 sub tender, 1 destroyer transport, 3 destroyer escorts, 1 destroyer, 2 escort carriers, and causing significant damage to port facilties and port supplies (abstraction of damage/destruction to numerous port vessels and small craft).

It happened in the Port Chicago disaster, when the USS Mount Hood (AE-11 exploded).



Dili -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 6:22:44 PM)

In Pacific War

quote:

The official death toll was 740, including 476 military personnel, with around 1,800 people injured; unofficial tallies run much higher. In total, twenty-seven other vessels were sunk or damaged in both Victoria dock and the neighbouring Prince's Dock.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_Explosion_(1944)

The day it rained gold
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20000727/edit.htm#5

quote:

The eleven Allied merchant ships on this page were lost as a result of the two horrendous explosions aboard Fort Stikine at Bombay, India, on April 14th, 1944.


http://members.tripod.com/~merchantships/fortcreviershipslost.html




rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 7:01:39 PM)

Another notable disaster:

"USS Mount Hood tragically exploded accidentally while moored in Seeadler Harbor on 10 November 1944. The ship was carrying ammunition and the tremendous explosion caused 378 fatalities, 372 wounded, damage to surrounding ships and base from debris and sinking or severely damaging 22 smaller craft." 9 LCMs, a floating barge and numerous boats, sunk, as well as damage to:

* USS Abarenda (IX-131)
* USS Alhena (AKA-9)
* USS Argonne (AG-31)
* USS Aries (AK-51)
* USS Cacapon (AO-52)
* USS Cebu (ARG-6)
* USS Kyne (DE-744)
* USS Lyman (DE-302)
* USS Mindanao (ARG-3)
* USS Oberrender (DE-344)
* USS Petrof Bay (CVE-80)
* USS Piedmont (AD-17)
* USS Potawatomi (ATF-109)
* USS Preserver (ARS-8)
* USS Saginaw Bay (CVE-82)
* USS Talbot (APD-7)
* USS Wann (DE-412)
* USS Young (DD-580)
* USS YF-681
* USS YMS-1
* USS YMS-140
* USS YMS-238
* USS YMS-243
* USS YMS-286T
* USS YMS-293
* USS YMS-319
* USS YMS-335
* USS YMS-340
* USS YMS-341
* USS YMS-342
* USS YMS-39
* USS YMS-49
* USS YMS-52
* USS YMS-71
* USS YMS-81
* USS YO-77



rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 7:08:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wwengr


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

As we all know, the WitP "progressive flooding" model had no parallels in real life. Errrr....


No progressive flooding - just sudden and catastrophic structural failure... lots of stuff not modeled in WITP, like spontaneous magazine explosions destroying a BB, or ammo ship blowing up and taking numerous boats and a couple of ships with them, or grounding of ships which either destroys them or takes them our of action, collisions between ships, typhoons that sank multiple ships, etc., etc.

Most players would scream bloody murder if a CV grounded during operations (yes, it happened), or a BB blew up (again, it happened), or one of the ALMOST DAILY mishaps that occurred operationally during the war on both sides that routinely severely damaged and/or destroyed hundreds of smaller vessels through the war.

One of the precursor games to WITP had a pretty nice weather model - and you picked up more SYS damage in a hurry if you were sailing in it. It DID make it nice to sneak in a carrier group behind a weather front, though. [:)] However, i think we'll have to wait for WITP II for this to happen.

How many people would want to quit if the had an amunition ship spontaneously explode in San Francisco (WITP's abstraction for all ports in the Bay area) as a total loss, destroying 9 LCM's, and causing serious damage to: 2 cargo ships, 1 tanker, 1 troop ship, 1 oiler, 2 repair ships, 1 destroyer tender, 1 sub tender, 1 destroyer transport, 3 destroyer escorts, 1 destroyer, 2 escort carriers, and causing significant damage to port facilties and port supplies (abstraction of damage/destruction to numerous port vessels and small craft).

It happened in the Port Chicago disaster, when the USS Mount Hood (AE-11 exploded).

No - Mount Hood exploded in Seeadler Harbor, Manus (Admirality) Island... the SS SS E. A. Bryan exploded in the Port Chicago disaster.



wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 8:20:30 PM)

You're right! I confused the two disasters. It is interesting to note that the E.A. Bryan was obliterated and the SS Quinalt Victory was destroyed. In WITP Terms, it would be 2 AK's sunk, significant port damage and loss of about 7000 supply points or so.




wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/18/2009 8:22:39 PM)

How about writing into the code, random explosions of Allied ports with random loss and damage to ships and supplies?[;)]



rtrapasso -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/31/2009 11:58:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

It looked like the ships at Guam were bombarding.  Though there is no report of CD guns firing.  A few CD guns cound do that kind of damage.

Bill


i was guessing this was some sort of made up report, like the original... ships do not defend in bombardment attacks... tf's can intercept, but those are reported in separate battles.

Just found out that this is how the game reports things when a ship is disbanded in port when it is bombarded... i think this might be a change in the reporting format since last time i had this happen to me... just had an instance on RUPD's "Repentant Samurai" AAR where something similar happened (although the ship in his report actually took a hit.)



wwengr -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/31/2009 8:29:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

It looked like the ships at Guam were bombarding.  Though there is no report of CD guns firing.  A few CD guns cound do that kind of damage.

Bill


i was guessing this was some sort of made up report, like the original... ships do not defend in bombardment attacks... tf's can intercept, but those are reported in separate battles.

Just found out that this is how the game reports things when a ship is disbanded in port when it is bombarded... i think this might be a change in the reporting format since last time i had this happen to me... just had an instance on RUPD's "Repentant Samurai" AAR where something similar happened (although the ship in his report actually took a hit.)

I was having fun and made up the report. While the Penguin thing looked slightly plausible from an extremely weird game result, I thought that the transports bombing bombing at night was a good clue as to the authenticity, or lack thereof...



AW1Steve -> RE: I QUIT!!!! (1/31/2009 8:55:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

In CHS, at least, there are no CD guns at Guam...


In real life there were no guns at Guam. There had been but they removed as a side result of the Washington and London naval treaties (they also removed military aircraft). There were only a few hundred Marines and Sailors to act as police force, man the hospital and support the Govenor (a naval Captain). USS Peguin was the station ship at the Piti naval yard. Not much of a base , more of a boatyard.



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