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Hornblower -> OT.. wake island (1/18/2009 5:48:29 AM)
You gents catch the old Wake Island Movie from '42 on AMC?? corny, but nothing like the old ones..

John 3rd -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/18/2009 6:49:59 AM)
I enjoy the movie especially since they make-up the entire end of the battle

stuman -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/18/2009 3:53:01 PM)
I watched " They Were Expendable " a few days ago. Great movie about MTB -3. Realistic in setting and tone, but they do have the PTs sinking cruisers and a Light Carrier.

dhuffjr2 -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/18/2009 7:36:16 PM)
I purchased it some a while ago so I could watch it. I used to sit around on Saturdays and watch old war movies on TBS, WGN, TNT, etc as a kid. Guadalcanal Diary is my favorite of those classic movies.

John 3rd -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/18/2009 9:04:05 PM)
Sands of Iwo Jima and Harm's Way are two of my favorites.

Hornblower -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/19/2009 4:41:14 AM)
Sands of Iwo Jima- now that is top...

Big B -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:16:49 AM)
Agree, Although if memory serves me correctly, MTB-3 actually did torpedo a Japanese CL (forgot which one) - but the torpedo was a dud. From what I remember reading, the real 'hit' looked convincing to the PT men (lots of water splash), but only superficial damage was actually sustained on the CL. I am pretty familiar with the movie - but I don't think they depicted any attack on any kind of CV - if I recall correctly the movie depicted successful attacks on numerous barges around Bataan, the sinking of a 'converted merchant cruiser', and culminated in the sinking of a Japanese CL (which was supposed to be a Mogami Class in the movie). Anyway, an enjoyable film. B quote: ORIGINAL: stuman I watched " They Were Expendable " a few days ago. Great movie about MTB -3. Realistic in setting and tone, but they do have the PTs sinking cruisers and a Light Carrier.

TOMLABEL -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:22:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Agree, Although if memory serves me correctly, MTB-3 actually did torpedo a Japanese CL (forgot which one) - but the torpedo was a dud. From what I remember reading, the real 'hit' looked convincing to the PT men (lots of water splash), but only superficial damage was actually sustained on the CL. I am pretty familiar with the movie - but I don't think they depicted any attack on any kind of CV - if I recall correctly the movie depicted successful attacks on numerous barges around Bataan, the sinking of a 'converted merchant cruiser', and culminated in the sinking of a Japanese CL (which was supposed to be a Mogami Class in the movie). Anyway, an enjoyable film. B quote: ORIGINAL: stuman I watched " They Were Expendable " a few days ago. Great movie about MTB -3. Realistic in setting and tone, but they do have the PTs sinking cruisers and a Light Carrier. Yes, 'They Were Expendable' is an excellent movie! I was lucky enough to be able to record the colorized version off TBS many years ago. As Big B said, I can concur that there was no CV sinking or attack in this movie. Sounds like something that would have come out of 'In Harms Way' but I'm not sure. TOMLABEL

Big B -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:30:31 AM)
Actually, 'In Harms Way' didn't purport the sinking of any Jap CV's either. I think the egregious movie that was so over the top that everyone remembers was 'Air Force'. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035616/ In that movie (from 1943) a lone B-17D starts the war landing at Wake Is., fly's to the Philippines, mounts a machine gun in the tail (surprise!) and ends up sinking ...half the Imperial Japanese Navy off Luzon? Anyway, it was a pure moral booster from 1943 - and none too accurate....but hey - its intended audience wasn't concerned with accuracy at the time. [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Agree, Although if memory serves me correctly, MTB-3 actually did torpedo a Japanese CL (forgot which one) - but the torpedo was a dud. From what I remember reading, the real 'hit' looked convincing to the PT men (lots of water splash), but only superficial damage was actually sustained on the CL. I am pretty familiar with the movie - but I don't think they depicted any attack on any kind of CV - if I recall correctly the movie depicted successful attacks on numerous barges around Bataan, the sinking of a 'converted merchant cruiser', and culminated in the sinking of a Japanese CL (which was supposed to be a Mogami Class in the movie). Anyway, an enjoyable film. B quote: ORIGINAL: stuman I watched " They Were Expendable " a few days ago. Great movie about MTB -3. Realistic in setting and tone, but they do have the PTs sinking cruisers and a Light Carrier. Yes, 'They Were Expendable' is an excellent movie! I was lucky enough to be able to record the colorized version off TBS many years ago. As Big B said, I can concur that there was no CV sinking or attack in this movie. Sounds like something that would have come out of 'In Harms Way' but I'm not sure. TOMLABEL

TOMLABEL -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:38:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Actually, 'In Harms Way' didn't purport the sinking of any Jap CV's either. I think the egregious movie that was so over the top that everyone remembers was 'Air Force'. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035616/ In that movie (from 1943) a lone B-17D starts the war landing at Wake Is., fly's to the Philippines, mounts a machine gun in the tail (surprise!) and ends up sinking ...half the Imperial Japanese Navy off Luzon? Anyway, it was a pure moral booster from 1943 - and none too accurate....but hey - its intended audience wasn't concerned with accuracy at the time. [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Agree, Although if memory serves me correctly, MTB-3 actually did torpedo a Japanese CL (forgot which one) - but the torpedo was a dud. From what I remember reading, the real 'hit' looked convincing to the PT men (lots of water splash), but only superficial damage was actually sustained on the CL. I am pretty familiar with the movie - but I don't think they depicted any attack on any kind of CV - if I recall correctly the movie depicted successful attacks on numerous barges around Bataan, the sinking of a 'converted merchant cruiser', and culminated in the sinking of a Japanese CL (which was supposed to be a Mogami Class in the movie). Anyway, an enjoyable film. B quote: ORIGINAL: stuman I watched " They Were Expendable " a few days ago. Great movie about MTB -3. Realistic in setting and tone, but they do have the PTs sinking cruisers and a Light Carrier. Yes, 'They Were Expendable' is an excellent movie! I was lucky enough to be able to record the colorized version off TBS many years ago. As Big B said, I can concur that there was no CV sinking or attack in this movie. Sounds like something that would have come out of 'In Harms Way' but I'm not sure. TOMLABEL I stand corrected! [:D][;)] But I can't remember if I've seen 'Air Force' or not. Kinda sounds like a move along the lines of 'A Wing and a Prayer'. Maybe I'd better head over to the Geezer's thread....[8\|]

spence -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:42:38 AM)
IIRC, the attack on the CV (in "They Were Expendable") is mentioned by "Lt Buckley" when they are begging torpedos from "Snuffy" (or some such) who is CO of a submarine. Apparently "Snuffy's acting career at the USNA is felt to be of possible interest to the submarine's crew by Lt Buckley but is best kept obscure by "LT Snuffy".[:D] BTW I think the CV is actually called "an auxiliary aircraft carrier".

Big B -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:43:38 AM)
Wasn't 'Wing and a Prayer' a wartime movie that depicted, or fictionalized, a carrier known as 'carrier X' and the battle of Midway and the comeback later in the war? Geezer's Thread??? You??? [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL ... But I can't remember if I've seen 'Air Force' or not. Kinda sounds like a move along the lines of 'A Wing and a Prayer'. Maybe I'd better head over to the Geezer's thread....[8\|] You may well be correct spence... (Hey - Bulkeley I think was his real name...in the movie he was 'Brickley'...no?) quote: ORIGINAL: spence IIRC, the attack on the CV (in "They Were Expendable") is mentioned by "Lt Buckley" when they are begging torpedos from "Snuffy" (or some such) who is CO of a submarine. Apparently "Snuffy's acting career at the USNA is felt to be of possible interest to the submarine's crew by Lt Buckley but is best kept obscure by "LT Snuffy".[:D] BTW I think the CV is actually called "an auxiliary aircraft carrier".

TOMLABEL -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:51:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Wasn't 'Wing and a Prayer' a wartime movie that depicted, or fictionalized, a carrier known as 'carrier X' and the battle of Midway and the comeback later in the war? Geezer's Thread??? You??? [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL ... But I can't remember if I've seen 'Air Force' or not. Kinda sounds like a move along the lines of 'A Wing and a Prayer'. Maybe I'd better head over to the Geezer's thread....[8\|] You may well be correct spence... (Hey - Bulkeley I think was his real name...in the movie he was 'Brickley'...no?) quote: ORIGINAL: spence IIRC, the attack on the CV (in "They Were Expendable") is mentioned by "Lt Buckley" when they are begging torpedos from "Snuffy" (or some such) who is CO of a submarine. Apparently "Snuffy's acting career at the USNA is felt to be of possible interest to the submarine's crew by Lt Buckley but is best kept obscure by "LT Snuffy".[:D] BTW I think the CV is actually called "an auxiliary aircraft carrier". Yes, that's the one. Complete with a Hollywood actor turned Naval Aviator. Story line was pretty lame, but the photocoverage of an Essex class with TBFs was pretty good. Big B: Geezer's Thread??? You??? [:D] Well, I'm not sure. I'm starting to consider getting out of bed in the morning my daily excercise....[:D]

stuman -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 2:52:16 AM)
The scene in " ... Expendable " I am thinking of is gone in the blink of an eye. There is a leader board or kill board showing ships the guys have sunk, and on it is listed a Light Carrier. No big deal of course.

Big B -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 3:00:04 AM)
Maybe...? You and spence are probably right - I just don't remember any depiction of such an attack in the movie..[&:] Hollywooood! (Spielberg, ...1941)[:D] quote: ORIGINAL: stuman The scene in " ... Expendable " I am thinking of is gone in the blink of an eye. There is a leader board or kill board showing ships the guys have sunk, and on it is listed a Light Carrier. No big deal of course.�

stuman -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 3:04:03 AM)
You are right in that there is no action scene per se , just the brief shot of the leader board ( is that what you call it ? ). And I do like " 1941 " , in spite of myself [:)]

TOMLABEL -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 3:08:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Hollywooood! (Spielberg, ...1941)[:D] One of the most memorable scenes of that move![:D] As I recall.....a long lost, and missed avatar as well![;)] TOMLABEL

Big B -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 3:14:44 AM)
Ahhh yes - Wild Bill Kelso [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Hollywooood! (Spielberg, ...1941)[:D] One of the most memorable scenes of that move![:D] As I recall.....a long lost, and missed avatar as well![;)] TOMLABEL [image]local://upfiles/16855/A42F85C32EE74D3C911FADDE5CD39EDA.jpg[/image]

TOMLABEL -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/20/2009 3:17:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Ahhh yes - Wild Bill Kelso [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Hollywooood! (Spielberg, ...1941)[:D] One of the most memorable scenes of that move![:D] As I recall.....a long lost, and missed avatar as well![;)] TOMLABEL [image]local://upfiles/16855/A42F85C32EE74D3C911FADDE5CD39EDA.jpg[/image] Yes, thank GOD for Wild Bill Kelso!!![:D][;)] If it weren't for him, Amercia would definitely be a different place today.[:D]

Hornblower -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/21/2009 5:51:23 AM)
1941 isn't a war movie.. funny yes, war movie no

spence -> RE: OT.. wake island (1/21/2009 2:28:34 PM)
quote: I am pretty familiar with the movie - but I don't think they depicted any attack on any kind of CV - if I recall correctly the movie depicted successful attacks on numerous barges around Bataan, the sinking of a 'converted merchant cruiser', and culminated in the sinking of a Japanese CL (which was supposed to be a Mogami Class in the movie). I checked the film ("They Were Expendable") and found two "mentions" of the sunken aircraft carrier: once on a shot of some sort of bulletin board (referred to as a "small aircraft carrier") and later when Lt Brinkley is trying to bum torpedoes from the Captain of an S-boat (referred to as "an auxiliary aircraft carrier"). I know that the PTs in the PI did not accomplish any great shakes but I sorta wonder if perhaps they did attack one of the IJN AVs at some point (a few of which are in the vicinity in WitP).

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