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m10bob -> Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:06:41 PM)

Many still do not know the IJA also had carriers..

http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/Tokushusen.html

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bradfordkay -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:10:00 PM)

What aircraft is that sitting on the deck? The pic is too small for my old eyes! 



Local Yokel -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:24:19 PM)

The caption to my rather larger copy of this photograph says that it is a Kokusai Ki-76, a liaison and observation aircraft bearing a singular resemblance to the Fieseler Storch. I believe there is some controversy over whether the Japanese copied the Fieseler design, but even if they did not do so wholesale then it seems the Ki-76 was, to say the least, heavily influenced by the German product.

The IJA also trialled the Kayaba Ka-Go 2 autogyro aboard Akitsu Maru - the design bears a marked similarity to a Cierva autogyro - but was not adopted for service, largely due to its minimal capacity to lift any kind of payload.



Terminus -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:28:04 PM)

My initial thought was the Ki-76 as well, but it looks like it's got two engines.



John 3rd -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:38:22 PM)

Are THESE in AE???  Like the idea...




Terminus -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:49:44 PM)

BTW, the Kayaba Ka-1 autogyro DID see service aboard the IJA carriers.



Local Yokel -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/5/2009 7:52:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

My initial thought was the Ki-76 as well, but it looks like it's got two engines.


I see what you mean. Unfortunately the aircraft is still somewhat indistinct on my larger version of the image, but on close examination I think the caption on my copy is probably correct. Possibly there's a blemish on the print which assists the illusion of the aircraft being twin engined.

Of course, larger aircraft other than B-25's have made use of of carrier decks. For example, there is the well-known 'photographic evidence' of a C-5 lifting off the deck of a US fleet carrier [;)]



Bogo Mil -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 11:37:32 AM)

The design is inspired by the Storch, but it's not a direct copy. There are many well visible differences.

Citation from wikipedia:
The Ki-76 remained in service as an artillety spotter and liaison aircraft until the end of the war. Ki-76s were also used as an anti-submarine aircraft operating from the Japanese Army's escort carrier, the Akitsu Maru, being fitted with an arrestor hook and carrying two 60 kg (132 lb) depth charges.

I wonder why the plane needed an anchestor hook - did it have much higher landing speed than the Fi-156? The Storch can land on a CVE easily without a hook (50m was enough for start and landing).

The plane could be useful in witp/AE in the ASW role, but apearantly only a small number was fitted that way. Liaison and artillery spotter (very short range recon aircraft) are virtually useless in witp (look at those short ranged Dutch recons, or the unarmed Anson in RHS).



rtrapasso -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 11:46:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Local Yokel


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

My initial thought was the Ki-76 as well, but it looks like it's got two engines.


I see what you mean. Unfortunately the aircraft is still somewhat indistinct on my larger version of the image, but on close examination I think the caption on my copy is probably correct. Possibly there's a blemish on the print which assists the illusion of the aircraft being twin engined.

Of course, larger aircraft other than B-25's have made use of of carrier decks. For example, there is the well-known 'photographic evidence' of a C-5 lifting off the deck of a US fleet carrier [;)]


The USN landed C-130's aboard the USS FORRESTAL in the 1960s - (without arrestor hooks) investigating their possible use for resupply uses... while the project was successful, they did not pursue this further.



rtrapasso -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 11:50:03 AM)

For those interested - here is a video link... the pilots had a sign on the side of the plane that said "LOOK MA - NO HOOKS" [8D] [:D]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCBzmUed4cI



Japan -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 1:21:45 PM)

Well... are they in the mighty AE ??



Japan -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 4:06:34 PM)

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John 3rd -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/6/2009 10:47:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

For those interested - here is a video link... the pilots had a sign on the side of the plane that said "LOOK MA - NO HOOKS" [8D] [:D]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCBzmUed4cI


Excellent



khyberbill -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/7/2009 12:31:44 AM)

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Well... are they in the mighty AE ??

They are in WITP, so I imagine they are in AE. I haven't read that any ships in WITP are removed in AE. In WITP, as I am sure you know, the Japanese player has the option to make the conversion. Most do not because it ruins a perfectly good BB.



Terminus -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/7/2009 11:25:48 AM)

I somehow don't think you're talking about the same thing here...



khyberbill -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/7/2009 1:50:22 PM)

You are right, now and then I miss a gear.



rtrapasso -> RE: Last week's cheese? (2/7/2009 3:21:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Japan

Well... are they in the mighty AE ??

No C-130s in AE, afaik... [:'(]



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