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Yamato hugger -> YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/23/2009 10:00:42 PM)
And the wheels on the bus go round and round: The planning process begins. I have 3 days to put together my first turn and I plan on using that to my advantage. I will keep a running commentary of what I plan to do and why and toss in some screen shots for fresh baked bread (but its got to be right out of the oven HOT).

greg_slith -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/23/2009 10:04:35 PM)
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Japan -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/23/2009 10:25:55 PM)
Very Nice sir Yamato hugger , Thanks alot Sir.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/23/2009 10:41:56 PM)
Well, first step in my planning process was to go through and check current ship data and make sure that my "stock" TF configurations were still what I wanted to do, and I found it to need some tweeking. The AA values and ASW values of a lot of ships have changed. Fubukis are only half converted for example. The 9 unconverted Fubuki Is have an AA/ASW strength of 48/0 while the post-convertion Fubuki IIs (10 of them) are 213/4! The Fubuki Is can convert to IIs starting Jan 42, so I will use them in low risk areas of the South China Sea until I can get them converted. Below is conversion data on converting a Fubuki I to II: I used to use Yugumos and Musukis as my main carrier escort, but Fubuki IIs will be mainstay in AE. I need 18 for my 3 carrier groups and will have 19 after the Is are converted. But until they are I will use 8 Asashios (189/2). Kageros were my BB escort and will remain so in AE (189/2). My 4 Akitsukis (213/4) will cover my CVLs. [image]local://upfiles/14252/B9A027E9F85748B49F0790B5A3583CBE.jpg[/image] I plan 8 CL groups (2 CLs plus 4 Mutsuki and Minekaze class DDs). 1 of these CL groups only has the Yubari in it with 4 DDs. This is a slight change from my stock organization (I used 5 or 6 DDs with the 2 CLs in stock) because this configuration gives me exactly 19,380 tons in each TF meaning they can dock at a level 3 port. The DDs start with poor ratings (90/0) but they upgrade in Jan 42 to 166/4 for Minekazis and 135/4 for the Mutsukis. Shiratsuyus will be formed into 2 TFs of 5 each (139/2). Hatsushimas will have all 6 in 1 TF (139/2). and the 5 Momos (0/0) will go to Japan and wait until they convert (to 85/2) in Jan. The 3 Katori CLs will be invasion TF leaders and will have the 20 "E" escorts and 18 of my 52 Ansyu PBs. The remaining 34 Ansyus along with 31 Kiso and 34 To'so PBs will be used for convoy escorts. My 13 TBs will be divided as they were in the last game 1 TF of 4 and 3 of 3 and used to intercept fleeing AKs. I have 5 APDs that combined can carry the 41st Gd Bn and a handful of supplies so they will grab that unit and run around securing undefended bases. I also have 23 SCs with an ASW rating of 4 and 24 more with a rating of 8. These will be used as point defense ASW patrols (they only have a 25 hex range). And my 4 MTBs and 2 MGB will be formed into 2 TFs of 1 MGB and 2 MTB each.

Dili -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 12:19:54 AM)
Can you show us about those Kiso,Toso,Ansyu ?Anshu Patrol Boats? Another question, that fuel/oil/cargo capacity is additive or total? I ask because i just read a report about supply in Mediterranean and Italian Destroyers and even Torpedo Boats and submarines took fuel, weapons and personnel to Africa.

Q-Ball -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 1:59:45 AM)
Those are higher AA numbers for IJN DD's than in WITP. What changed, the way AA values are calculated, or does the IJN start with more AA guns? (I did notice this Fubuki (I) config has 4 25mm AA guns; in stock you don't get any 25mm on Fubuki until '43 IIRC. If this makes a 213 AA value, does that also include the 6 x 5in DP guns?)

scout1 -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:00:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger Well, first step in my planning process was to go through and check current ship data and make sure that my "stock" TF configurations were still what I wanted to do, and I found it to need some tweeking. The AA values and ASW values of a lot of ships have changed. Fubukis are only half converted for example. The 9 unconverted Fubuki Is have an AA/ASW strength of 48/0 while the post-convertion Fubuki IIs (10 of them) are 213/4! The Fubuki Is can convert to IIs starting Jan 42, so I will use them in low risk areas of the South China Sea until I can get them converted. Below is conversion data on converting a Fubuki I to II: I used to use Yugumos and Musukis as my main carrier escort, but Fubuki IIs will be mainstay in AE. I need 18 for my 3 carrier groups and will have 19 after the Is are converted. But until they are I will use 8 Asashios (189/2). Kageros were my BB escort and will remain so in AE (189/2). My 4 Akitsukis (213/4) will cover my CVLs. [image]local://upfiles/14252/B9A027E9F85748B49F0790B5A3583CBE.jpg[/image] I plan 8 CL groups (2 CLs plus 4 Mutsuki and Minekaze class DDs). 1 of these CL groups only has the Yubari in it with 4 DDs. This is a slight change from my stock organization (I used 5 or 6 DDs with the 2 CLs in stock) because this configuration gives me exactly 19,380 tons in each TF meaning they can dock at a level 3 port. The DDs start with poor ratings (90/0) but they upgrade in Jan 42 to 166/4 for Minekazis and 135/4 for the Mutsukis. Shiratsuyus will be formed into 2 TFs of 5 each (139/2). Hatsushimas will have all 6 in 1 TF (139/2). and the 5 Momos (0/0) will go to Japan and wait until they convert (to 85/2) in Jan. The 3 Katori CLs will be invasion TF leaders and will have the 20 "E" escorts and 18 of my 52 Ansyu PBs. The remaining 34 Ansyus along with 31 Kiso and 34 To'so PBs will be used for convoy escorts. My 13 TBs will be divided as they were in the last game 1 TF of 4 and 3 of 3 and used to intercept fleeing AKs. I have 5 APDs that combined can carry the 41st Gd Bn and a handful of supplies so they will grab that unit and run around securing undefended bases. I also have 23 SCs with an ASW rating of 4 and 24 more with a rating of 8. These will be used as point defense ASW patrols (they only have a 25 hex range). And my 4 MTBs and 2 MGB will be formed into 2 TFs of 1 MGB and 2 MTB each. God, what little I have learned of this game (the hard way), you guys are going to force me to unlearn and start anew ...... Nothing like progress [;)]

scout1 -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:01:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scout1 quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger Well, first step in my planning process was to go through and check current ship data and make sure that my "stock" TF configurations were still what I wanted to do, and I found it to need some tweeking. The AA values and ASW values of a lot of ships have changed. Fubukis are only half converted for example. The 9 unconverted Fubuki Is have an AA/ASW strength of 48/0 while the post-convertion Fubuki IIs (10 of them) are 213/4! The Fubuki Is can convert to IIs starting Jan 42, so I will use them in low risk areas of the South China Sea until I can get them converted. Below is conversion data on converting a Fubuki I to II: I used to use Yugumos and Musukis as my main carrier escort, but Fubuki IIs will be mainstay in AE. I need 18 for my 3 carrier groups and will have 19 after the Is are converted. But until they are I will use 8 Asashios (189/2). Kageros were my BB escort and will remain so in AE (189/2). My 4 Akitsukis (213/4) will cover my CVLs. [image]local://upfiles/14252/B9A027E9F85748B49F0790B5A3583CBE.jpg[/image] I plan 8 CL groups (2 CLs plus 4 Mutsuki and Minekaze class DDs). 1 of these CL groups only has the Yubari in it with 4 DDs. This is a slight change from my stock organization (I used 5 or 6 DDs with the 2 CLs in stock) because this configuration gives me exactly 19,380 tons in each TF meaning they can dock at a level 3 port. The DDs start with poor ratings (90/0) but they upgrade in Jan 42 to 166/4 for Minekazis and 135/4 for the Mutsukis. Shiratsuyus will be formed into 2 TFs of 5 each (139/2). Hatsushimas will have all 6 in 1 TF (139/2). and the 5 Momos (0/0) will go to Japan and wait until they convert (to 85/2) in Jan. The 3 Katori CLs will be invasion TF leaders and will have the 20 "E" escorts and 18 of my 52 Ansyu PBs. The remaining 34 Ansyus along with 31 Kiso and 34 To'so PBs will be used for convoy escorts. My 13 TBs will be divided as they were in the last game 1 TF of 4 and 3 of 3 and used to intercept fleeing AKs. I have 5 APDs that combined can carry the 41st Gd Bn and a handful of supplies so they will grab that unit and run around securing undefended bases. I also have 23 SCs with an ASW rating of 4 and 24 more with a rating of 8. These will be used as point defense ASW patrols (they only have a 25 hex range). And my 4 MTBs and 2 MGB will be formed into 2 TFs of 1 MGB and 2 MTB each. God, what little I have learned of this game (the hard way), you guys are going to force me to unlearn and start anew ...... Nothing like progress [;)] btw ..... Love it ..... and can't wait (but then again have no choice, now do I ?) [8D]

Kull -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:19:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger I plan 8 CL groups (2 CLs plus 4 Mutsuki and Minekaze class DDs). 1 of these CL groups only has the Yubari in it with 4 DDs. This is a slight change from my stock organization (I used 5 or 6 DDs with the 2 CLs in stock) because this configuration gives me exactly 19,380 tons in each TF meaning they can dock at a level 3 port. My head is starting to hurt, and I think it's from sympathetic oxygen deprivation. The steepness of the learning cliff I was sort of prepared for......but the height?? [;)] What the hell, bring it on!

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 3:50:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dili Can you show us about those Kiso,Toso,Ansyu ?Anshu Patrol Boats? Another question, that fuel/oil/cargo capacity is additive or total? I ask because i just read a report about supply in Mediterranean and Italian Destroyers and even Torpedo Boats and submarines took fuel, weapons and personnel to Africa. They are all pretty similar. The To'sos have a single 80mm and 1 D/C rack (ASW is still 2 however). Anshus have an ASW of 3. [image]local://upfiles/14252/AB90FF36F21F4FA98559F35F2DA127FA.jpg[/image] quote: ORIGINAL: Q-Ball Those are higher AA numbers for IJN DD's than in WITP. What changed, the way AA values are calculated, or does the IJN start with more AA guns? (I did notice this Fubuki (I) config has 4 25mm AA guns; in stock you don't get any 25mm on Fubuki until '43 IIRC. If this makes a 213 AA value, does that also include the 6 x 5in DP guns?) Im guessing that the 5" on the Is arent rated as DP because thats the only difference between the Is and IIs is the additional 25mm (well and the D/C rack). quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger I plan 8 CL groups (2 CLs plus 4 Mutsuki and Minekaze class DDs). 1 of these CL groups only has the Yubari in it with 4 DDs. This is a slight change from my stock organization (I used 5 or 6 DDs with the 2 CLs in stock) because this configuration gives me exactly 19,380 tons in each TF meaning they can dock at a level 3 port. My head is starting to hurt, and I think it's from sympathetic oxygen deprivation. The steepness of the learning cliff I was sort of prepared for......but the height?? [;)] What the hell, bring it on! Will be a lot of trial and error for a while thats for sure. Last game I had a temper tantrum on Don because the KB didnt reload their sorties when they got to Truk. I didnt know that they had put op points into bases now also and it took 2 days to fill them all up.

Grotius -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 4:05:21 AM)
quote: they had put op points into bases now [sm=00000116.gif] They did? Wow.

Ron Saueracker -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 5:05:05 AM)
Just look at this baby......[sm=innocent0001.gif] Detail heaven.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 5:19:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dili Can you show us about those Kiso,Toso,Ansyu ?Anshu Patrol Boats? Another question, that fuel/oil/cargo capacity is additive or total? I ask because i just read a report about supply in Mediterranean and Italian Destroyers and even Torpedo Boats and submarines took fuel, weapons and personnel to Africa. Part B of your question I didnt get to answer. You will see in that screenshot on the far right 2nd paragraph up from the bottom where is says aircraft cap, troop cap, cargo cap, fuel cap. Ships are rated in each category now. Yes, you can put troops into cargo area, or fuel in cargo area, ect just like you could in stock and at the same rates as in WitP.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 6:48:23 AM)
All I can say is my boys had their Wheaties this morning: Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 68 B5N2 Kate x 144 D3A1 Val x 126 Allied aircraft P-26A x 1 P-40B Warhawk x 1 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed, 28 damaged D3A1 Val: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-26A: 1 destroyed P-26A: 3 destroyed on ground P-40B Warhawk: 1 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 43 destroyed on ground B-18A Bolo: 8 destroyed on ground PBY-5 Catalina: 26 destroyed on ground SBD-1 Dauntless: 7 destroyed on ground B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed on ground F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed on ground B-17D Fortress: 8 destroyed on ground A-20A Havoc: 6 destroyed on ground P-36A Mohawk: 15 destroyed on ground O-47: 3 destroyed on ground R3D: 1 destroyed on ground C-33: 1 destroyed on ground SNJ-3 Texan: 1 destroyed on ground SOC-1 Seagull: 11 destroyed OS2U-3 Kingfisher : 13 destroyed Allied Ships AV Tangier BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DM Tracy, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Henley, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DM Montgomery DM Preble, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Bagley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Blue, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Conyngham, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PT-29, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DM Breese, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Selfridge, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CL Helena, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires DD Farragut, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk DD Dewey, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage AVP Swan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Litchfield, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Reid, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk SS Cachalot, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage DD Schley, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Downes, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAK Laida, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CM Oglala, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AVP Avocet, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DMS Wasmuth, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS Dolphin, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage DMS Zane, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire PT-23, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk DD Cassin, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Repair Shipyard hits 5 Airbase hits 51 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 222 CL Jintsu took a single bomb hit and blew up her magazine. 1 Mini reported a hit on the Tennessee. All those ships reported as sunk up there really are. That is accurate. 1 Jap pilot proving how cocky he is put a torp into a PT! Force Z escaped without being attacked again. [image]local://upfiles/14252/ACD5AD9A1BD74207A3F3775D05BC28C2.jpg[/image]

castor troy -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 7:37:01 AM)
Holy crap! Guess you�ve sunk 6 or 7 BBs! [X(] Does this perhaps relate to the toggle "use torp"? Can you also use this toggle during the first turn? Would hat mean that suddenly ALL Kates drop torps? Hope it�s hardcoded that you can�t use this toggle within KB during the first turn, IMO best would be to not even having a die roll but just the historical numbers of torps used. When I look at the sunken ship list and at the replay then I do think that there were FAR too many torps used. Far too many. And not one ship sunk due to a 800kg AP bomb, really looks like there wasn�t a single one used. Don�t know how many torps were really used in the historic attack but could it be that you even achieved more torp HITS than there were even used torps in the real attack? [X(]

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 8:18:29 AM)
Actually 2 of the 6 Kate groups hit the airfield (Shokaku and Zuikaku). This was a "historical" first move. But on the plus side, look at all the space Im saving him in his repair yards [:)]

Honda -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 9:11:52 AM)
I have played in all less the 10 first turns in WitP all together. Roughly speaking, 8 times I sunk zero BBs, once one or two, and once 6(!). Same setting every time. Despite what we say about WitP, the variations in results can actually be huge - although very rarely :)

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 9:14:37 AM)
A "typical" result from AE is 1 to 3 BBs sunk, 2 or 3 more in the barn for a long time and the rest patched up in a few months. I got very very lucky. I have had lots of test runs where I didnt sink any. I have yet to actually launch an attack on Force Z against a player. I do it a lot vs the AI, but not once against a player.

Mistmatz -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 10:24:31 AM)
Thanks for the new AAR and the pictures YH. Two questions: a)The PB Kiso Maru is assigned to Combined Fleet according to your screenshot. Are there any similar limitations as for LCUs for naval vessels introduced with AE or ist this just flavour? b) Does facing for AA weapons matter in vessel against aircraft combat now? I believe it didn't in stock.

rjopel -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 10:25:17 AM)
The Ship sunk report shows the Achilles and the Java as being sunk at Pearl? That doesn't seem correct. Neither ship should be anywhere near Pearl.

Mistmatz -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 10:32:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rjopel The Ship sunk report shows the Achilles and the Java as being sunk at Pearl? That doesn't seem correct.� Neither ship should be anywhere near Pearl. Well it's really foggy with the new FoW. [8D]

castor troy -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 1:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger Actually 2 of the 6 Kate groups hit the airfield (Shokaku and Zuikaku). This was a "historical" first move. But on the plus side, look at all the space Im saving him in his repair yards [:)] then I would say ALL Kates on port attack dropped torps... not good...

Erik Rutins -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz b) Does facing for AA weapons matter in vessel against aircraft combat now? I believe it didn't in stock. Yes, AA weapon facing (and the attack vector of incoming planes) is considered. Regards, - Erik

Mistmatz -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:22:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz b) Does facing for AA weapons matter in vessel against aircraft combat now? I believe it didn't in stock. Yes, AA weapon facing (and the attack vector of incoming planes) is considered. Regards, - Erik Wow! That sounds great. Lets assume an aircraft attack on a TF. Some planes striking fom a northern and some from a southern base. Does that mean the TF will get more lead into the air as opposed to all planes coming in from one direction because more AA weaons will be able to fire? And if so is the course of the TF also considered?

witpqs -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:29:49 PM)
YH, Suspending for just a moment comments/questions on the beta testing - with a result like that you really must attack a second day and see if you can sink ALL the BB's at Pearl!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 2:54:43 PM)
Very cool results. Question though: I never even thought about this in WITP, but wasn't USS Pennsylvania in dry dock on Dec. 7? I assume dry dock status isn't modeled in AE, or else the Japanese here are using the most-feared-highly-rare air-swimming torpedo. <grin> I haven't researched her status, but I recall photos of a shattered destroyer sharing the same slip with the BB, both high and dry after the attack.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 4:41:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz Thanks for the new AAR and the pictures YH. Two questions: a)The PB Kiso Maru is assigned to Combined Fleet according to your screenshot. Are there any similar limitations as for LCUs for naval vessels introduced with AE or ist this just flavour? b) Does facing for AA weapons matter in vessel against aircraft combat now? I believe it didn't in stock. I dont believe HQ has any effect on ships, just color. I think the original design (and this is just my speculation now, as I wasnt on the team in the early design stages) was for ships to be assigned HQs to allow restricted commands to be moved by ship, but it just proved to too easy to "cheat" the system and was eating more time than it was worth. And as Erik says, direction does matter for AA fire now.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 4:43:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz quote: ORIGINAL: rjopel The Ship sunk report shows the Achilles and the Java as being sunk at Pearl? That doesn't seem correct.� Neither ship should be anywhere near Pearl. Well it's really foggy with the new FoW. [8D] Correct. 1 of them is the Honolulu and the other the St Louis. I know that because they showed up as sunk on the report above. Colorado of course isnt there either, I believe thats the West Virginia (I see Colorado on Pearl reports ALL the time).

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 4:45:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger Actually 2 of the 6 Kate groups hit the airfield (Shokaku and Zuikaku). This was a "historical" first move. But on the plus side, look at all the space Im saving him in his repair yards [:)] then I would say ALL Kates on port attack dropped torps... not good... This run they did. I checked the remaining torpedo banks on my carriers and all 4 Kate groups used torps this run (the Kates hitting the airfield of course carried bombs). Dont think I have ever seen a run where they all had torps. Its just the randoms, it can happen.

Yamato hugger -> RE: YH v TS - round 3 <no 8 legged creatures> (2/24/2009 4:48:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs YH, Suspending for just a moment comments/questions on the beta testing - with a result like that you really must attack a second day and see if you can sink ALL the BB's at Pearl! Last time I did that AA fire chewed me up. Lost over 30 Kates alone that 2nd attack. Ive done what I came to do, and I need my carriers to get back and cover my landings.

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