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tigercub -> RE: hexside control (6/7/2009 1:53:41 PM)
it is nice but he is only one of the slaves!working toward that GOLD thing!

Kull -> RE: hexside control (6/7/2009 3:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger Actually the tactic works just fine as well in WitP. Always has. But people seem to forget the minor detail that a unit cant move and attack at the same time, so those people I think erroneously think that not only are units attacking, but moving at the same time and this is where they have a problem with it, as would I if that were the case. But it isnt. You either attack OR move, not both. Exactly. That is why it makes sense. quote: Now supply is another matter, and frankly, it drives me crazy. Since you only "control" the hex you are physically in at the moment and no one controls any hexsides of unoccupied hexes, its actually possible for both sides to use the same rail line supplying their forces (or road, or whatever supply path). In the attached pic, if you imagine that hexes 1 and 2 are unoccupied then the Chinese and Japs can both trace supply along this same rail line in the same turn because neither side controls any of the hexsides along it (shown by colored arrows). In the base hex on the north, if the Chinese controlled the SW hexside, their supply could move through that hexside, but their control of that hexside doesnt stop the supply from coming INTO that hex. So the general rule of thumb is this: hexside control only stops movement FROM that hex through that hexside. It does NOT stop movement from another hex INTO that one. It takes a while to adjust your mind to this, but its actually a nice concept for unit movement but I personally have reservations on the supply movement (my own opinion). [image]local://upfiles/14252/EBEE7F552EC54B3F8387324876B345A0.jpg[/image] Good explanations on the "Hexside Control" features. As for supply, the example you showed SHOULD work, and China is the perfect example. For the most part there weren't "fronts" per se in China, and the idea that both sides could get supply from the same road makes sense given that neither side is expending troops to control the road. In this context, supply is not just the movement of ammunition, but also foodstuffs moving via conventional civilian means. As for the "warstuffs", I'm pretty sure it didn't move by way of these huge truck convoys we visualize when somebody says "supply". Probably ox-drawn carts at best, and most frequently porters. Besides, WitP worked exactly the same way.

Yamato hugger -> RE: hexside control (6/7/2009 10:09:08 PM)
Well, I wont get into a debate on it until after its GOLD other than to say trains using the same tracks to deliver supplies to different sides just doesnt sit well with me [;)]

Yamato hugger -> RE: hexside control (6/7/2009 11:55:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed quote: ORIGINAL: TheElf Shoot, and I was about to send my 'concur' email to Joe stating the air team was ready for GOLD... Damn, funny how no-one noticed your brilliant and noble effort about that GOLD thing. We could have gone gold years ago if you dont care about that little "making it work" thingie [:D]

Fishbed -> RE: hexside control (6/8/2009 2:40:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed quote: ORIGINAL: TheElf Shoot, and I was about to send my 'concur' email to Joe stating the air team was ready for GOLD... Damn, funny how no-one noticed your brilliant and noble effort about that GOLD thing. We could have gone gold years ago if you dont care about that little "making it work" thingie [:D] I just mean that, well, people all around here are shouting all day long about the release date ("can I have it for Midway anniversary?", "can I have it for my uncle's birthday?", "can I have it for the day after the prom?") and well for once someone releases something about it, no-one cares. History is a bitch to anonymous heroes [:D] [;)]

castor troy -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 7:40:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger quote: ORIGINAL: Grotius So the IJN pilots in the "trained" pool all have XP of 35? No more "free" high-XP pilots at all, right? In stock, for example, we get about 10 65-ish pilots a month. That's OK with me -- I assume we now have to train everyone on the map. I gather that supply runs won't work for fighter pilots. What are you doing to train your new pilots on-map, YH? Well the few that arent in combat (the Japs start with about half as many combat squadrons as in WitP) I simply put them on training missions. This unit for example has been "training" for about 10 days: [image]local://upfiles/14252/CC58CB6127954C01AA52023930FCD82D.jpg[/image] I reported how fast the training mission was a few months back and it was ignored, so I have to assume that its working as designed. A few of these pilots gained 30 points in air to air combat in 10 days. Their defense still sucks, but once they get into Tojos (or even Oscars), they will make their weight felt. 30 points in 10 days??? [X(] I don´t want to bring in negative waves again, but seriously, then even the WITP standard training of bombing an empty base works better because it takes usually 2,5 months to get from 40-70 exp.

Dili -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 7:54:31 AM)
quote: 30 points in 10 days??? I don´t want to bring in negative waves again, but seriously, then even the WITP standard training of bombing an empty base works better because it takes usually 2,5 months to get from 40-70 exp. Amen!

tigercub -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 8:05:55 AM)
but as you can see its only training one of 12 lists that can be inproved a pond so not that big of a deal.

Splinterhead -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 8:30:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tigercub but as you can see its only training one of 12 lists that can be unproved a pond so not that big of a deal. Yeah... Just look art those Nate pilots low transport ratings! [8\|]

tigercub -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 8:58:56 AM)
It must be remembered they have 12 months training before getting into a combat plane.(but if it keeps going up at that rate it would be to high) Tiger!

castor troy -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 9:37:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tigercub but as you can see its only training one of 12 lists that can be inproved a pond so not that big of a deal. well, except air and dfn there´s not much you want to have for a fighter pilot... so of your 12, there are only 2 of importance

Fishbed -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 12:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger quote: ORIGINAL: Grotius So the IJN pilots in the "trained" pool all have XP of 35? No more "free" high-XP pilots at all, right? In stock, for example, we get about 10 65-ish pilots a month. That's OK with me -- I assume we now have to train everyone on the map. I gather that supply runs won't work for fighter pilots. What are you doing to train your new pilots on-map, YH? Well the few that arent in combat (the Japs start with about half as many combat squadrons as in WitP) I simply put them on training missions. This unit for example has been "training" for about 10 days: [image]local://upfiles/14252/CC58CB6127954C01AA52023930FCD82D.jpg[/image] I reported how fast the training mission was a few months back and it was ignored, so I have to assume that its working as designed. A few of these pilots gained 30 points in air to air combat in 10 days. Their defense still sucks, but once they get into Tojos (or even Oscars), they will make their weight felt. 30 points in 10 days??? [X(] I don´t want to bring in negative waves again, but seriously, then even the WITP standard training of bombing an empty base works better because it takes usually 2,5 months to get from 40-70 exp. Mind you, it's only the A/A rating. The "XP level" is still abyssmal and still evolves slowly - me thinks A/A may add some flavour to the XP level, but if the latter one is still the primary data used to resolve combats, well it just means to me that such 40s XP or so pilots may have a shot at 70s XP ones, but they won't prevail automatically - especially because the high XP pilots quickly get good A/A ratings too AFAIK. Having 70s in A/A probably doesn't mean much as long as everyone quickly reachs this level on either side of the fence; ultimately XP will still be the main factor that will matter (and I checked, the XP level apparently isn't the average of all 12 capabilities, it seems really independant).

Mistmatz -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 12:47:39 PM)
I agree with Fishbeds statement. My assumption would be that an Exp40/AA70 pilot would, flukes taken aside, more or less always loose against an Exp70/AA40 pilot. I guess the specialst skills are a nice bonus/malus system but experience will prevail as the most important factor for the battleworthiness of a pilot.

EUBanana -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 12:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed Mind you, it's only the A/A rating. The "XP level" is still abyssmal and still evolves slowly - me thinks A/A may add some flavour to the XP level, but if the latter one is still the primary data used to resolve combats So in actual fact we're right back to the Japanese strafing defenceless bypassed Allied bases again? [8\|]

Fishbed -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 1:10:00 PM)
Well I guess it won't change. If you don't want it to happen, you may just agree about restrictions with your opponent before you start. It's not like we were playing some kind of Team Fortress or Counter Strike game, randomly picking our adversaries [8D]

EUBanana -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 1:20:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed Well I guess it won't change. If you don't want it to happen, you may just agree about restrictions with your opponent before you start. It's not like we were playing some kind of Team Fortress or Counter Strike game, randomly picking our adversaries [8D] True enough. It's still a great game, and I'll still buy it, but this redone training thing was a real draw for me. It's sad to see that it might not be so relevant after all in the end.

Mistmatz -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 1:27:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EUBanana quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed Well I guess it won't change. If you don't want it to happen, you may just agree about restrictions with your opponent before you start. It's not like we were playing some kind of Team Fortress or Counter Strike game, randomly picking our adversaries [8D] True enough. It's still a great game, and I'll still buy it, but this redone training thing was a real draw for me. It's sad to see that it might not be so relevant after all in the end. It still might give you the edge. Or your opponent... [;)]

Fishbed -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 1:33:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EUBanana quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed Well I guess it won't change. If you don't want it to happen, you may just agree about restrictions with your opponent before you start. It's not like we were playing some kind of Team Fortress or Counter Strike game, randomly picking our adversaries [8D] True enough. It's still a great game, and I'll still buy it, but this redone training thing was a real draw for me. It's sad to see that it might not be so relevant after all in the end. Yep, I would have loved to see this "training command" structure available [:(]

Kaletsch2007 -> LCU movement (6/8/2009 1:42:40 PM)
YH, thanks again for explaining all of that very well (I guess, I got it now !). Still there is one question to me (which was most probably answered before and I missed it). The one thing in WitP, that bothred me most, was the "stop the enemys LCU movement out of the Hex by hitting him constantly with Art fire". Am I right, by hoping that in AE the units keep moving, even if they got attacked ? Thanks Rene'

EUBanana -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 3:36:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed Yep, I would have loved to see this "training command" structure available [:(] I hope they put it in a patch at least... because as it stands all this nice training stuff split into quarterly bands is irrelevant. Would be a shame to waste such cool code. I also think that a revamp of the training would be a major impactor on how the game plays out. The WITP training model was actually the single, sole reason why I stopped playing it.

Sardaukar -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 5:08:21 PM)
Kind of funny, people drawing wild conclusions based on game they have not seen yet..and having no idea how things actually work. [:'(]

Grotius -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 6:00:36 PM)
Yes, I don't think we should jump to any conclusions. I rather like that the "training" command now seems to be more effective.

Yamato hugger -> RE: LCU movement (6/8/2009 6:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaletsch2007 YH, thanks again for explaining all of that very well (I guess, I got it now !). Still there is one question to me (which was most probably answered before and I missed it). The one thing in WitP, that bothred me most, was the "stop the enemys LCU movement out of the Hex by hitting him constantly with Art fire". Am I right, by hoping that in AE the units keep moving, even if they got attacked ? Thanks Rene' There are up to 5 different "modes" a unit can be in based on situation. If for example a unit isnt in a port and/or a base with a rail line in it then Strategic move mode will be grayed out. If a unit is alone in an enemy occupied hex then "reserve" and "rest/training" will be grayed out, ect. You can MOVE in any of these modes. The slowest of them is combat mode. If you are attacked (in any manner) while moving, you will continue to move, but you will be automatically switched to combat mode when it happens. [image]local://upfiles/14252/3AAC2D521BED4D39A30903EA099264C2.jpg[/image]

Yamato hugger -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 6:53:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EUBanana So in actual fact we're right back to the Japanese strafing defenceless bypassed Allied bases again? [8\|] Well you CAN do that, but all it will do is improve your air to ground rating. Air to air can be trained more easily by training than in actual combat. However, the ONLY way to raise your defense rating is to engage in air to air combat.

EUBanana -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 6:55:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar Kind of funny, people drawing wild conclusions based on game they have not seen yet..and having no idea how things actually work. [:'(] Well, I'm not letting it put me off buying it. [:D] I think I'd rather have aces after a week of training than train-by-strafing-bypassed-bases though. ...and I'd love training primarily by off map training + recycled instructors most of all. [:D]

Dili -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 7:45:13 PM)
quote: Kind of funny, people drawing wild conclusions based on game they have not seen yet..and having no idea how things actually work. Yep. I probably overreacted.

Yamato hugger -> RE: pilot training. (6/8/2009 8:16:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EUBanana + recycled instructors most of all. [:D] Well all I know about that is it does "something". I asked what "something" was and the answer I got was "not nothing", so God only knows what this does. It doesnt say what it does in the rules and the air team has been asked by at least 3 different people what it does and havent gotten an answer other than that, so Im inclined to not use it. It certainly isnt anything I can test if I dont know what it is supposed to do [;)]

Yamato hugger -> RE: hexside control (6/8/2009 9:10:34 PM)
PoW showed up on my sunk ships report a few hexes south of Singapore. I suspect he tried to move it to Java and it sank enroute. Repulse is still in Singapore and took several more hits this turn. The CVLs have arrived at Truk but will need at least 1 more day to fully rearm. I reequipped their airgroups with Zeros and Mabels as well as replacing some Petes and Daves on their escort ships with Jakes and Alfs. 3 of the divisions are just outside Truk (the 4th is still north or Iwo) and are beginning to move south. Shortlands, Munda, and Tulagi have already been taken. A fast transport group has loaded elements of a SNLF unit and is on the way to Rabul (I suspect its empty). 1st Naval construction bn is on the ground at Tarawa with the 2nd and 3rd close behind. Kuasie Island has the 5th and 6th base forces, 2 airfield units and the 6th naval HQ on the ground and improved the port to a level 1 this turn. "Home improvement" forces are unloading on Ailinglaplap. [image]local://upfiles/14252/78FDEDFD10214A929D1F132B95A83ADF.jpg[/image] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 22, 41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Cebu Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAK Kuritake Maru xAK Koyu Maru xAK Zuiko Maru Cebu USN Base Force firing at xAK Kuritake Maru xAK Kuritake Maru firing at enemy troops xAK Koyu Maru firing at enemy troops xAK Zuiko Maru firing at enemy troops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Jolo at 74,90 Japanese Ships TB Manazuru Allied Ships SS S-37 SS S-37 launches 4 torpedoes at TB Manazuru S-37 bottoming out .... Sub escapes detection -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Oosthaven at 49,96 Japanese Ships SS I-162 Allied Ships xAKL Ipoh, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage SS I-162 attacking on the surface -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Loewoek TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Loewoek, 71,101 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Manado Japanese Ships xAKL Taiyo Maru xAKL Hinode Maru #20 xAKL Suez Maru xAKL Gyokurei Maru Allied ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Manado Garrison Battalion firing at xAKL Taiyo Maru xAKL Taiyo Maru firing at enemy troops xAKL Suez Maru firing at enemy troops xAKL Gyokurei Maru firing at enemy troops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Manado TF 32 troops unloading over beach at Manado, 75,99 Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Type 95 Light Tank lost overboard during unload of 8th Tank Rgt /1 Type 95 Light Tank lost in surf during unload of 8th Tank Rgt /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Puerto Princesa Japanese Ships xAK Mikasa Maru xAK Aso Maru xAK Mikasa Maru firing at enemy troops xAK Aso Maru firing at enemy troops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Boela TF 296 troops unloading over beach at Boela, 80,110 Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Taihoku at 87,61 Japanese Ships SC Ch 14 SC Ch 15 SC Ch 13 Allied Ships SS Sturgeon SS Sturgeon launches 4 torpedoes at SC Ch 14 Sturgeon diving deep .... SC Ch 15 attacking submerged sub .... SC Ch 14 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 13 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 14 attacking submerged sub .... SC Ch 13 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 14 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 13 attacking submerged sub .... SC Ch 15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 14 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC Ch 13 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Cebu at 80,86 Japanese Ships xAK Kuritake Maru, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-38 SS S-38 attacking xAK Kuritake Maru on the surface -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Oosthaven at 49,96 Japanese Ships SS I-162 Allied Ships AMc MMS A, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage AMc MMS B SS I-162 launches 4 torpedoes at AMc MMS A I-162 bottoming out .... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 12 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed CAP engaged: No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 14000 Raid is overhead No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 20000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 4 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 22000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 1 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 18000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 G3M2 Nell x 43 G4M1 Betty x 10 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 21 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 5 destroyed, 24 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 2 destroyed Allied Ships BC Repulse, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage Port hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet City Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 3 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 22 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 7 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 4 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet City Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 14000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 9000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes 7 planes vectored on to bombers No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Raid is overhead 3 planes vectored on to bombers BC Repulse manuvering ...(Ev 57 / Sp 6) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 6 No Japanese losses No Allied losses CAP engaged: No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Raid is overhead No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 35,810 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 Allied aircraft P-35A x 1 P-40B Warhawk x 6 P-40E Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 2 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 32810 feet CAP engaged: 24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 2 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters to 32400. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes 35th PG/34th PS with P-35A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 41,500 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 4 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed CAP engaged: No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Raid is overhead No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 78,77 (Bataan) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 8 Ki-30 Ann x 20 Allied aircraft P-35A x 1 P-40B Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: 24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Raid is overhead 35th PG/34th PS with P-35A (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 78,77 (Bataan) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft P-40B Warhawk x 2 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 32810 feet CAP engaged: 24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 80,58 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 8 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-27b Nate diving from 10000' Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 20th RGC Division, at 79,58 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft SB-III x 10 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 5 x SB-III bombing from 5000 feet * Ground Attack: 3 x 100 kg GP Bomb 5 x SB-III bombing from 5000 feet * Ground Attack: 3 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kuantan , at 51,79 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 2 CW-22 Falcon x 7 Wirraway x 4 No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 9 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x CW-22 Falcon bombing from 3000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 4 x Wirraway bombing from 3000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singkawang , at 56,88 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 12 Hudson I x 11 Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 5 damaged Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 11 x Hudson I bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 12 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Manado at 75,99 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft Hudson I x 3 Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 2 damaged Japanese Ships xAKL Banshu Maru #56, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Hudson I bombing from 3000 feet * Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb a Japanese xAKL manuvering ...(Ev 50 / Sp 10) a Japanese xAKL manuvering changes...(Ev 58 / Sp 10) Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Banshu Maru #56 xAKL Banshu Maru #56 manuvering changes...(Ev 49 / Sp 10) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 33,810 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 32810 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 78th Chinese Corps, at 84,54 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 11 Ki-30 Ann x 7 Ki-51 Sonia x 6 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 48 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 72nd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 78th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 72nd Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 28 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 G4M1 Betty x 20 Allied aircraft P-40B Warhawk x 2 P-40E Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 26 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 12 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: 24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters to 7000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 19 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Allied ground losses: 4 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 19 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 25 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 7 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 11 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 11 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb 7 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Sabang , at 44,70 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 44 Allied aircraft Blenheim IF x 7 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied ground losses: Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 16 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: No.27 Sqn RAF with Blenheim IF (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters to 7000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 81,57 (Kanhsien) Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 12 Ki-44 Tojo x 8 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 3 Ki-51 Sonia x 18 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 6 damaged Allied ground losses: 17 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet * Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 12 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 49th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 70th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Manado at 75,99 Japanese Ships xAKL Taiyo Maru, Shell hits 5 Allied Ships SS Salmon, hits 2 SS Salmon attacking xAKL Taiyo Maru on the surface -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cebu (80,86) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 4313 troops, 40 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 117 Defending force 4375 troops, 52 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 102 Japanese adjusted assault: 17 Allied adjusted defense: 27 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-) experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), supply(-) Japanese ground losses: 74 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 155 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Assaulting units: 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade Defending units: 81st PA Infantry Division Cebu USN Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 2019 troops, 108 guns, 66 vehicles, Assault Value = 898 Defending force 10611 troops, 168 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 172 Allied ground losses: 181 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units: 20th Infantry Regiment 33rd/A Division 47th Infantry Regiment 48th Recon Regiment 16th Recon Regiment 1st Formosa Inf. Regiment 9th Infantry Regiment 2nd Formosa Inf. Regiment 48th Engineer Regiment 16th Engineer Regiment 33rd/B Division 48th Field Artillery Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment 14th Army 56th Const Co 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th Air Fleet 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 3rd Engineer Construction Battalion Defending units: Subic Bay Defenses 71st PA Infantry Division 91st PA Infantry Division 12th PA Infantry/3 Battalion 2nd PA Constabulary Regiment Far East USAAF PAF Aviation Clark Field USAAF Base Force Manila USAAF Base Force 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Taiping (49,75) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1580 troops, 2 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 55 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 59 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 59 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Taiping !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: leaders(+) Assaulting units: 5th Recon Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Lolobato (79,102) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 354 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 2 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Lolobato !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: supply(-) Assaulting units: 2nd JNAF Coy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cebu (80,86) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 2276 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 95 Defending force 4261 troops, 40 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 113 Assaulting units: 81st PA Infantry Division Cebu USN Base Force Defending units: 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Ichang (83,48) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 24553 troops, 172 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 638 Defending force 3433 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 78 Allied adjusted assault: 619 Japanese adjusted defense: 31 Allied assault odds: 19 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1690 casualties reported Squads: 38 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 36 destroyed, 26 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 329 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 45th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese/A Corps 26th Group Army Defending units: 58th Infantry Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Lingayen (79,75) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 728 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 78 Defending force 120 troops, 0 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Allied adjusted assault: 16 Japanese adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Lingayen !!! Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: op mode(-) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: Units pursuing 1 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 1st PA Infantry/A Division 1st PA Infantry/B Division 1st PA Infantry/C Division Defending units: 9th Field AF Construction Battalion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Siquijor (78,87) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 13 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 3 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Siquijor !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cotabato (78,90) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 125 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 10 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Cotabato !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1

Hornblower -> RE: hexside control (6/10/2009 2:28:04 AM)
if anyone is keeping track.. New reader of this thread...

Yamato hugger -> RE: hexside control (6/10/2009 3:35:36 AM)
Ran into an interesting bug that will probably cause a re-start of this game (probably with the Dec 8 scenario). One less you all will see.

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