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treespider -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/15/2010 2:59:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth Thanks, my experience is that it happens somewhere between "most-times" and "always". Problem is LBA. I want to keep my carriers just outside of LBA and my opponent can always exploit this weakness and draw me in. Anyway to absolutely set the react range (4 hexs, not 1 hex more, ever!!!)? thanks No. Where is, repeat, where is Task Force Thirty Four? The world wonders.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/15/2010 9:16:02 AM)
The react should be a max, with the variables at max-1, max-2 whatever. Never more than max.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/15/2010 9:55:06 AM)
Back to the RAN, the long way Grimsby Class Sloops AE has Should be 9724 Swan Start 411206 Brisbane 411206 Melbourne/Burnie (Minesweeping in Bass Strait) 9725 Warrego 411206 Melbourne 411206 Melbourne/Burnie 9726 Yarra 411206 Aden 411225 Aden (On 411206 she was on patrol in the Red Sea, 25/12 may be a few days out) River class Frigates Many of these had a long work up period if they were commissioned post-war. 11128 Barcoo 440315 delay? 440117 Sydney 11129 Barwon 460201 delay? 451210 Sydney 11130 Burdekin 440915 delay? 440627 Brisbane 11131 Diamantina 450615 delay? 450427 Maryborough 11132 Gascoyne 440115 delay? 431118 Sydney 11133 Hawkesbury 440915 delay? 440705 Sydney 11134 Lachlan 450315 delay? 450214 Sydney 11135 Macquarie 460115 delay? 451207 Sydney 11137 Condamine 460215 delay? 460222 Sydney 11136 Murchison 460115 delay? 451217 Brisbane 11138 Culgoa 460215 delay? 470401 Melbourne Missed Shoalhaven 460502 County Class Heavy Cruisers 3211 Shropshire 430215 Aden 430904 Cape Town 3212 Australia 411215 Sydney 411206 Sydney (Under Refit/repair) 3213 Canberra 411206 TF 8431(Sydney) 411206 Sydney These are pretty good except for Shropshire which was till an HMS at Chatham, England on 430215 before being refitted and given to the RAN and came via Cape Town, not the Med which was still a combat zone.

Sardaukar -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/15/2010 10:35:14 AM)
About CV TF reaction, there arecouple of commanders with better Air rating than Halsey, they are just CV COs and thus not on TF CO list. But if you have those carriers in your TF, you can use them as TF Commanders. IIRC they are RAdm Sherman and RAdm Murray. Neither has "insane" aggressivenes rating either, so they should stay better within your orders...[8D]

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/15/2010 10:53:09 AM)
AE SETUP IRL SETUP RAN Light Cruisers 3235 Perth 411206 TF 8431(Sydney) 411206 Sydney (Edited) 3236 Hobart 411212 Aden 411206 Aden 3237 Adelaide 411206 TF 8432 (Pt Moresby) 411206 Pt Moresby RAN Destroyers 3688 Stuart 411206 Melbourne 411206 Melbourne Under repair/refit 3689 Voyager 411206 Sydney 411206 Sydney Damaged 3690 Vampire 411206 TF Z 411206 TF Z 3691 Vendetta 411206 Singapore 411206 Singapore Immobile, needed Vampire to tow it to Perth. 3692 Quiberon 431215 Aden 430227 Cape Town (Actually Durban) 3693 Quickmatch 431215 Aden May 44 Indian Ocean Still checking. 3694 Arunta 420515 Cape Town 420517 Sydney Built in Sydney!! 3695 Warramunga 421215 Cape Town 421123 Sydney Built in Sydney!! 3697 Bataan 450615 Aden 450525 Sydney Built in Sydney!! 3729 Nepal 420812 Cape Town 420103 Aden The following N Class arrived but were withdrawn in Jun 42 to escort a Malta convoy and returned to Aden in Sep 42 3728 Napier 420103 Aden 420103 Aden 3730 Nestor 420103 Aden 420103 Aden 3731 Nizam 420103 Aden 420103 Aden 3732 Norman 420202 Cape Town 420103 Aden RAN Bathurst Class Minesweepers 4381 Kalgoorlie 420407 Brisbane 420407 Whyalla 4382 Tamworth 420208 Brisbane 420208 Maryborough 4383 Pirie 421010 Brisbane 421010 Whyalla 4384 Ararat 430616 Rockhampton 430616 Brisbane 4385 Armidale 420611 Hobart 420611 Sydney Sunk 421201 4386 Ballarat 411206 Singapore 411206 Darwin (Actually arrived 411208)Confirmed. 4387 Benalla 420415 Melbourne 430427 Melbourne 4388 Bowen 420815 Brisbane 421109 Brisbane 4389 Bunbury 411206 Townsville 430103 Brisbane 4390 Bundaberg 420912 Darwin 420912 Brisbane 4391 Cairns 411206 Darwin 420511 Maryborough 4392 Castlemaine 420415 Melbourne 420617 Melbourne 4393 Cessnock 420215 Sydney 420126 Sydney 4394 Colac 420106 Derby 420106 Sydney 4395 Cootamundra 420615 Sydney 430430 Sydney 4396 Cowra 420615 Blank?? 431008 (I cant find this either, checking) 4397 Deloraine 411206 Darwin 411206 Sydney 4398 Dubbo 420731 Townsville 420731 Sydney 4399 Echuca 420415 Blank?? 420907 Melbourne 4400 Fremantle 430324 Sydney 430324 Brisbane Both the ship & the fortress unit are spelt wrong 4401 Geelong 420515 Melbourne 420116 Melbourne 4402 Gladstone 420815 Melbourne 430322 Maryborough 4403 Glenelg 421116 Burnie 421116 Sydney 4404 Gympie 421104 Derby 421104 Brisbane 4405 Horsham 420515 Blank?? 421118 Melbourne 4406 Inverell 420917 Rockhampton 420917 Sydney 4407 Ipswich 411206 Darwin 420613 Brisbane Ship name spelt wrong. 4408 Junee 420615 Blank?? 440411 Sydney 4409 Kapunda 420715 Sydney 421021 Sydney 4410 Katoomba 420715 Sydney 411217 Sydney 4411 Kiama 440116 Sydney 440126 Brisbane 4412 Latrobe 411206 Perth 421106 Sydney 4413 Launceston 420115 Brisbane 420409 Brisbane 4414 Lismore 420115 Trincomalee 411216 Aden 4415 Lithgow 411206 Burnie 411206 Burnie (In Bass Strait area) 4416 Mildura 411206 Townsville 411206 On East Coast, checking. 4417 Parkes 440525 Melbourne 440525 Brisbane 4418 Rockhampton 420915 Melbourne 420121 Maryborough 4419 Shepparton 420615 Melbourne 430201 Melbourne 4420 Stawell 420715 Melbourne 430807 Melbourne 4421 Strahan 421015 Newcastle 440314 Newcastle 4422 Toowoomba 411206 Singapore 411206 Sydney (Confirmed) 4423 Townsville 411219 Cairns 411219 Brisbane 4424 Wagga 421218 Sydney 421218 Sydney 4425 Wallaroo 420815 Sydney 420715 Sydney 4426 Warrnambool 411206 Derby 411206 Burnie 4427 Whyalla 411206 Sydney 420108 Whyalla 4428 Wollongong 411206 Sydney 411206 Sydney Missed Bathurst class Bathurst 411216 Aden Bendigo 411206 Singapore Broome 420729 Brisbane Burnie 411206 Singapore Gawler 420814 Whyalla Geraldton 420406 Sydney Goulburn 411206 Singapore Maryborough 411206 Singapore

PzB74 -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/16/2010 9:21:19 PM)
After testing midget subs in my two Jap games I have had 30+ failed launches. Not a single success! Have others the same experience and should it be considered to raise the midgets chance to achieve success? Not sure what the chance is today, but even if it was 10% it would require massive bad mojo not to achieve a single hit in 34 attempts. [image]local://upfiles/1466/D1FD3E37608F425A8C33B94E835ABC1F.jpg[/image]

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 1:03:10 AM)
What % success should they achieve? Against unprepared defences they achieved little, in AE where the Allies should be expecting them they should achieve less.

PzB74 -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 1:37:04 AM)
I suggest a 10-15% success rate. As it is now they don't achieve anything. In real life they did achieve something; 1. Pearl Harbour: Photographic analysis conducted by the United States Naval Institute in 1999 indicates one of the five Ko-hyoteki-class submarines managed to enter Pearl Harbor, and successfully fired a torpedo into the USS West Virginia 2. Diego Suarez Harbor: On 29 May 1942, two midget submarines, one of which managed to enter the Diego Suarez harbor and fired two torpedoes. One torpedo seriously damaged battleship HMS Ramillies, while the second sank the oil tanker British Loyalty (6,993 tons). 3. Sydney Harbour: On the night of 31 May – 1 June, three Ko-hyoteki class midget submarines, each with a two-member crew, entered Sydney Harbour, avoided the partially constructed Sydney Harbour anti-submarine boom net, and attempted to sink Allied warships. After being detected and attacked, the crews of two of the midget submarines scuttled their boats and committed suicide without successfully engaging Allied vessels. The third submarine attempted to torpedo the heavy cruiser USS Chicago, but instead sank the converted ferry HMAS Kuttabul, killing 21 sailors. These raids actually sank 3 vessels and damaged 2 battleships. 5 torpedo hits made by 10 midgets isn't a poor achievement if you ask me. - In AE we can only dream about more than a lucky hit (and as I said, after ca 34 attempts I have none).

witpqs -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 1:45:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB 5 torpedo hits made by 10 midgets isn't a poor achievement if you ask me. - In AE we can only dream about more than a lucky hit (and as I said, after ca 34 attempts I have none). But that 10 midget subs doesn't include all the failed attempts, does it? So it's not 5 torp hits for 10 subs, it's 5 torp hits for some much larger number of subs, yes?

PzB74 -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 2:04:49 AM)
All midgets referred to here are of the Ko-hyoteki class submarine. According to Wiki fifty were built. The first two, Ha-1 and Ha-2, were used only in testing. They did not have conning towers, which were added to the later boats for stability underwater. Ha-19 was launched by I-24 at Pearl Harbor. Most of the other fifty are unaccounted for, although three were captured in Sydney (Australia), and others in Guam, Guadalcanal, and Kiska Island, accounting for some of the other hull numbers. I have no idea how many of the 48 midgets that were built were actually launched. If anyone know about other missions than the 3 that are listed here it would be easy to calculate how many hits were achieved per midget launched. For simplicity you can divide 5 hits between 20 and 30 midgets. I doubt more than 20 were launched. Since one sub achieved hits on 2 ships it becomes a bit difficult, such a double success is not possible in AE, so we can count this one double success as 2 hits. Even if you divide 30 by 5 you will get 6 which is 20%. The success rate should therefore be ca 15% if you ask me. If only 10, 12 or 15 midgets were launched the rate could actually be higher, but not much lower since we're calculating from a low end. - It would also be possible to include a slightly increased success ratio throughout the first few months of the war to indicate Allied lack of readiness. If no changes are made to the midgets in AE they may just as well be removed for all the good they will do.

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 2:36:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK AE SETUP IRL SETUP RAN Light Cruisers 3235 Perth 411206 TF 8431(Sydney) 411206 Auckland (Still checking this, she was on tour) 3236 Hobart 411212 Aden I cant be sure, she was in the IO in Jan42 so 411212 may be correct. 3237 Adelaide 411206 TF 8432 (Pt Moresby) 411206 Still checking .... Just off the top of my head, I know that Adelaide was at Port Moresby, having just escorted a lone transport there. She was ordered to Darwin. Hobart was in the Med, but left for the Pacific immediately after war began in the Pacific. She departed Aden on the 13th. Perth, along with Australia and Canberra, was assigned convoy escort duties in Australian/Indian Ocean waters. One of these three (Australia I think) was enroute Sydney from somewhere in Africa. The other two at Sydney??

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 5:44:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK AE SETUP IRL SETUP RAN Light Cruisers 3235 Perth 411206 TF 8431(Sydney) 411206 Auckland (Still checking this, she was on tour) 3236 Hobart 411212 Aden I cant be sure, she was in the IO in Jan42 so 411212 may be correct. 3237 Adelaide 411206 TF 8432 (Pt Moresby) 411206 Still checking .... Just off the top of my head, I know that Adelaide was at Port Moresby, having just escorted a lone transport there. She was ordered to Darwin. Hobart was in the Med, but left for the Pacific immediately after war began in the Pacific. She departed Aden on the 13th. Perth, along with Australia and Canberra, was assigned convoy escort duties in Australian/Indian Ocean waters. One of these three (Australia I think) was enroute Sydney from somewhere in Africa. The other two at Sydney?? Hi Don, I agree with Adelaide, some info said she was on convoy duty on the East Coast, no detail but I have since found a few sources which place her at Pt Moresby. Perth data on the RAN site and the HMAS Perth site http://www.hmasperth.asn.au/Perth_1.html say After completion of her refit on 22 November PERTH was engaged in exercises from 24 to 30 November and then sailed for Auckland. She carried out patrols, escort duties, exercises and manoeuvres during December 1941 and January 1942, visiting New Caledonia and New Guinea. I'm trying to find a more detailed history which might say where she was when war was declared (remember, that was 8 Dec 41 Australian Time) Hobart seems to be OK in AE. Australia in the RAN site has After a period escorting convoys to Freetown, Durban, Suez and Colombo, Australia (II) finally arrived back in Sydney on 24 March 1941. Between April and November the ship was on duty in the Indian Ocean and on 6 November carried out a reconnaissance of the Crozet Islands. She returned to Sydney in December and became Flagship of the Australian Squadron and two months later, in February 1942, Flagship of ANZAC Squadron, having Noumea as its operational base. The Official RAN History says she was between Simonstown (Cape Town) & Sydney. The HMAS Canberra website says When war broke out with Japan on 8 December 1941, CANBERRA was berthed in Sydney Harbour with more than 175,000 miles of war time operational steaming to her credit. which is identical to the RAN site.

Andrew Brown -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 12:35:10 PM)
quote: The Official RAN History says she was between Simonstown (Cape Town) & Sydney. I seem to recall that HMAS Australia reached Perth after the start of hostilities, before moving on to Sydney, which means she would have been somewhere in the Indian Ocean at start. But I can't remember where I saw that (I thought it was in the official history?). Andrew

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/17/2010 1:47:25 PM)
My best information is that Perth was in harbor at Sydney when war began (along with Canberra). The two exercised off Sydney (with Le Triomphant) for a couple of days and then sailed toward Suva to excort the Pensacola convoy.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 1:34:06 AM)
From http://www.perthone.com/1aust42.htm PERTH left for Melbourne on 26th November and then escorted the liner MARIPOSA from mid Tasman to Sydney. On 8th December (EST) war was declared on Japan. PERTH patrolled the Tasman with CANBERRA and after calling at Brisbane, both ships sailed for New Caledonia arriving off there on the 18th December. After escorting a convoy to Brisbane both ships returned to Sydney. From http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CL-Perth.htm I think my first placement of Auckland is wrong by 12 mths. July EXPORTER deployment to support military operations in continuation. 7th Bombarded Vichy shore battery at Abney, Damour. Took passage to Alexandria and bombed by RAF aircraft without damage. 12th Whilst at Alexandria nominated for return to RAN service following Japanese threat of attacks. 18th Sailed from Alexandria for passage to Sydney. August On passage. 12th Rejoined RAN and taken in hand for refit. September Under refit. to November December Post refit trials. 8th Deployed with HM Australian Cruiser CANBERRA for patrol in Tasman Sea. 12th Escorted US troop convoy with HMAS CANBERRA for final part of passage to Australia. 19th Escorted US troop convoy to New Caledonia with HMAS CANBERRA and HM New Zealand Cruiser ACHILLES. 22nd Return passage to Sydney with HMAS CANBERRA and HMNZS ACHILLES. 29th Escorted military convoy ZK5 from Sydney to Port Moresby, New Guinea with HMAS AUSTRALIA, HMAS CANBERRA, HMNZS ACHILLES and two RAN Sloops.

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 1:39:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK From http://www.perthone.com/1aust42.htm PERTH left for Melbourne on 26th November and then escorted the liner MARIPOSA from mid Tasman to Sydney. On 8th December (EST) war was declared on Japan. PERTH patrolled the Tasman with CANBERRA and after calling at Brisbane, both ships sailed for New Caledonia arriving off there on the 18th December. After escorting a convoy to Brisbane both ships returned to Sydney. Doesn't disagree with my information at all. The two cruisers met the Pensacola convoy at sea somewhere around/south of New Caledonia and escorted it to Australia. One of the Neq Zealand pair was involved as well. Checked all I can - I am convinced that Sydney is the correct location for Perth as of scenario start.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 1:45:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK From http://www.perthone.com/1aust42.htm PERTH left for Melbourne on 26th November and then escorted the liner MARIPOSA from mid Tasman to Sydney. On 8th December (EST) war was declared on Japan. PERTH patrolled the Tasman with CANBERRA and after calling at Brisbane, both ships sailed for New Caledonia arriving off there on the 18th December. After escorting a convoy to Brisbane both ships returned to Sydney. Doesn't disagree with my information at all. The two cruisers met the Pensacola convoy at sea somewhere around/south of New Caledonia and escorted it to Australia. One of the Neq Zealand pair was involved as well. Checked all I can - I am convinced that Sydney is the correct location for Perth as of scenario start. Yep, I looked at a few more points and found that in Nov 40, Perth was around NZ, eiher my first info was wrong or I cant type[:D]

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 1:47:35 AM)
Have you seen this. http://www.naval-history.net

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 2:46:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK Have you seen this. http://www.naval-history.net Yes. Don Kindle has kindly provided some additional data not on the web site for Da Babes.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/18/2010 11:50:02 AM)
Next quiz is about HMAS' Ballarat & Toowoomba. (Bathurst Class) Many references place them at Singapore at the outbreak of war (including naval-history.net), others have them in OZ though they were earmarked to escort convoys heading to Singapore. (Ballarat was only 1-2 out of arriving in Darwim, the Toowoomba was in Sydney.)

n01487477 -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/19/2010 10:16:09 AM)
Probably stated before ... Bind 198 Yusen S Cargo & AMC Kinryu both have convert from, which doesn't allowing any conversions...

karmannkc -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/30/2010 2:43:13 PM)
Ummm, I have a couple of issues to mention first is an OOB question as to why the CVB USS Franklin D. Roosevelt isnt in the December 8th campaign. From my very limited investigation on Wikipedia it was comissioned in october of 1945 and had her shakedown in february of 46. I only mention it as the USS Tarawa arrives in March 46. It would seem to me that the USS FDR would join the party if one actually gets to that point in the war. Curious if that's editorial decision not to make life too hard on the Japs or what. Otherwise it would seem that it should be available no later then March of 46. More of a Technical issue. LCS(L)-class landing craft can't be put into Amphibious TFs only Transports, which seems odd as they are clearly designed to support landing operation, at least that what it looks like to me with their rockets and all. Oh and I have fully updated to the latest version 1.106g or whatever.

JeffroK -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (7/30/2010 11:17:10 PM)
Back to the RAN. Ballarat - 3 of 4 sources have it enroute to Singapore, but arriving in Darwin on 8/12/41 OZ time. It later arrived in Singapore. Its odd that a usually accurate site got this & Toowoomba wrong. Toowoomba - based in Sydney. Later went to Singapore and formed a MSW Flotilla with the other RAN MSW. Next check, Benalla & Bunbury, both have arival dates about 12 mths out of alignment.

redcoat -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 2:18:57 AM)
Is the Coastal Forces Depot Ship HMIS Barracuda (ex-Heinrich Jessen) in the game. I searched the 'Ships' section of the AE editor but couldn't find her. Apologies if she is there already. I'm not familiar with the editor yet.

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 2:59:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: redcoat Is the Coastal Forces Depot Ship HMIS Barracuda (ex-Heinrich Jessen) in the game. I searched the 'Ships' section of the AE editor but couldn't find her. Apologies if she is there already. I'm not familiar with the editor yet. She is not in stock, but I am hoping to put her into Da Babes mod. Don't have much data on her, you got any? Could use a picture too.

redcoat -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 11:57:55 AM)
HMIS Barracuda (pennant F.140) was the ex-Danish Heinrich Jessen, built and engined by the Hong Kong & Whampoa Dock Company (though there is, in fact, some evidence that she was built in Japan, and towed to Hong Kong only to have her engines fitted) and completed in 1940. She escaped from Hong Kong, Singapore, Rangoon and Akyab as Jap forces advanced, and was requisitioned for the Royal Indian Navy as a Coastal Forces Depot ship. Of 3335 tons (gross), she was 305ft overall, with a beam of 46ft 6in. Her maiden voyage was as the last ship to leave Hong Kong. At Singapore she managed to collect enough coal to be again the last ship to leave and reach Rangoon. From September 1942 she was a depot ship for RIN Fairmile B MLs based at Bombay and Calcutta. Later she was the mother ship for the coastal craft (Fairmile Bs, HDMLs and MTBs) of the Arakan Coastal Forces operating along the coast of Burma. If the war had continued she would have supported coastal operations off Malaya. In 1946 she was restored to her previous owners. HMIS Barracuda in India. With a Fairmile B and Higgins LCP. [image]http://a.imageshack.us/img34/2466/hmisbarracuda.jpg[/image] Main source: Conway’s Allied Coastal Forces of World War 2.

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 2:47:49 PM)
Great, thanks. We had her history and tonnage, nothing else. Do you have any speed/endurance data?

redcoat -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 3:42:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen Do you have any speed/endurance data? Unfortunately not. There is another small photo of HMIS Barracuda at the bottom of this webpage. It is interesting to see that she was the last ship to leave Hong Kong and Singapore and the first Allied ship to sail back to both of them after the Jap surrender. [:)]

Don Bowen -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/6/2010 4:24:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: redcoat quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen Do you have any speed/endurance data? Unfortunately not. There is another small photo of HMIS Barracuda at the bottom of this webpage. It is interesting to see that she was the last ship to leave Hong Kong and Singapore and the first Allied ship to sail back to both of them after the Jap surrender. [:)] Not to worry. The fabulous JWE did some research/estimations. We'll probably add her to "Babes" as an AGP with a late '42 arrival in India. We are in favor of this ship as she will be the only RIN AGP - and they have a couple of dozen MTBs.

Bliztk -> RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues (8/10/2010 11:25:44 AM)
I don´t know if this is a typo or intended feature, but Takao class CAs start with 75 Tower Armor, and in each upgrade they have 16mm. Then looking further on Japanese CA upgrades, Maya has 16mm and Myoko 0! I don´t recall the Japanese throwing away armor plates on their cruisers... [:)]

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