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John Lansford -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/30/2009 1:00:51 PM)
When Scout was shooting up that transport TF, two of the ships collided with each other during the melee. One later sank (but the torpedo hit probably had something to do with that also). These combat reports are very entertaining now, but they require a lot of attention or you will miss something new.

Big B -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/30/2009 2:04:09 PM)
That's all true, and in game terms, none of those devices are protected by armor - so said 5" gun could take out 5"/25 secondaries, AA guns, radar, upper works hits, etc on Boise if that's where it is determined that they hit - they will also start fires as well - if the die rolls dictate. They just won't likely penetrate the armor protecting the ships armored areas. And as we have seen - it's very random. B quote: ORIGINAL: Shark7 quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Not really. The Japanese 12.7cm/50 3rd Year Type gun (the Japanese Destroyer gun 5" gun) only fired HE and Incendiary Shrapnel rounds. They would not be able to penetrate the 127mm-165mm armor plate that a Brooklyn class cruiser carried over the vitals - even at point blank range. HE and IS rounds are soft nosed and not made to penetrate heavy armor plate ... they could get through the thin skinned areas though and start fires. B quote: ORIGINAL: Dili quote: Gotta agree here. Nagara is not a real light cruiser, its a destroyer leader. It's guns are completely ineffective against a well protected ship like Boise. At that distance even DD guns penetrate Boise. Those type of shells are also often an 'airburst' type weapon designed to take out exposed 'vitals' rather than do structural damage. In a modern engagement the HE and IS (especially) would take out crewmen, radars, searchlights, unshielded guns, torpedo tubes, DC racks etc. If you get lucky, they touch off a torpedo or DC and do secondary explosion damage. Same principle in WWII.

Zacktar -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/30/2009 11:23:15 PM)
Boise also makes a pretty deadly flagship -- this was her Christmas present to me: quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Shonan Maru #1, Shell hits 11, and is sunk xAK Yamahagi Maru, Shell hits 16, and is sunk xAK Matsue Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Marblehead CL Boise, Shell hits 1 DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Paul Jones DD Parrott DD Whipple DD Stewart Japanese ground losses: 1014 casualties reported Squads: 14 destroyed, 47 disabled Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 40 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Venice Maru, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAK Celebes Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk SC CHa-1, Shell hits 2, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Marblehead CL Boise DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Paul Jones DD Parrott DD Whipple DD Stewart Japanese ground losses: 1010 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 68 disabled Engineers: 14 destroyed, 30 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Arima Maru, Shell hits 22, and is sunk xAKL Batavia Maru, Shell hits 21, and is sunk SC CHa-19, Shell hits 4, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Marblehead CL Boise DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Paul Jones DD Parrott DD Whipple DD Stewart Japanese ground losses: 714 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 18 disabled Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 44 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Malta Maru, Shell hits 33, and is sunk xAK Sinkyo Maru, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAK Ryuzin Maru, Shell hits 39, and is sunk xAK Yoneyama Maru, Shell hits 23, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Marblehead CL Boise DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Paul Jones DD Parrott DD Whipple DD Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Takuna Maru #6, Shell hits 2, and is sunk xAK Kotoku Maru, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Marblehead CL Boise DD Alden DD Barker DD Bulmer DD Edsall DD John D. Edwards DD Paul Jones DD Parrott DD Whipple DD Stewart

Sheytan -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/30/2009 11:37:20 PM)
Which is fine by me, if its all numbers crunching whats the point of even playing? Another example is the following, I raced every light naval asset from AUS/NZ to Rabul/Shortlands area, The IJN arrived before I was able to combine all these assets into a tidy little fleet, one AUS CL arrived at Rabul before the other assets, and ran smack into a IJN invasion fleet escorted by a SC TF which included a BB. The AUS CL was sunk, and I kicked myself for not combining my assets first before going in. At this point Canbarra and another AUS CL were only one hex away, so I rerouted them to shortlands to meet up with NZ assets, HOWEVER...it had react to active, and apparently the commander of this two ship force decided to react against the IJN forces at Rabul...of course when I saw this happen, I instantly felt like I was going to see two more cruisers destroyed. Well I only lost one, and the Canbarra put two torps into the IJN BB, she sank shortly there after, that is both of them. A pyrric victory to be sure, but then again id trade two cruisers for a IJN BB anyday. Oh and its drove off the rest of the invasion assets. I like this sort of "randomness" all in all a very plausable outcome. Regarding the Boise, in my current game she came across a very large, I mean like a division embarked convoy, and sank about a third of this convoy. However it was also unescorted. Night Time Surface Combat, near Balabac at 67,79, Range 7,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Nansin Maru xAKL Nichizui Maru xAKL Nissen Maru #2, Shell hits 5, and is sunk xAKL Saiko Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tatsuho Maru, Shell hits 4 xAK Tone Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk xAK Yuzan Maru, Shell hits 18, and is sunk xAK Yubari Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk xAKL Akita Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk xAKL Ayaha Maru xAKL Awa Maru xAKL Heiyo Maru, Shell hits 3, and is sunk xAKL Higashiyama Maru xAKL Yagi Maru xAK Okuni Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk xAKL Hachirogata Maru xAKL Fukuyo Maru Allied Ships CL Boise, Shell hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 972 casualties reported Squads: 34 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 38 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled) Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 28% moonlight: 7,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 7,000 yards Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 7,000 yards CL Boise fires at xAK Okuni Maru at 7,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards xAK Okuni Maru sunk by CL Boise at 5,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards xAK Yubari Maru sunk by CL Boise at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Yuzan Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Yuzan Maru at 3,000 yards CL Boise engages xAKL Nissen Maru #2 at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Yuzan Maru at 2,000 yards xAK Yuzan Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAKL Akita Maru at 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Ume Maru at 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Ume Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Ume Maru at 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 2,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Tone Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards CL Boise engages xAKL Nissen Maru #2 at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards xAK Ume Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards xAKL Heiyo Maru sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... quote: ORIGINAL: denisonh Combat is chaos, so there should be a wide range of outcomes. Good "combat modelling" is difficult, but aleways has to incorporate a large variability due to the vagaries of modern combat. People think of it too much like chess. It most certainly isn't. quote: ORIGINAL: Iridium Ran the turn again to see different results. Boise is a tough customer but can be beaten. Now if only I could determine what the average encounter with her would be. As a side note, an encounter with a merchie fleet and 2 DDs from Hong Kong met up with Chokai and Sagiri heading for their parent task force. First time I ran the turn it was a complete massacre for the allies, 2nd time around Chokai got nailed with a torp and Sagiri was thrashed with many rounds of gun fire. If I was a suspicious person, I'd say the game seems much more inclined towards randomness. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Dadjangas at 79,93, Range 1,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Nagara DD Yukikaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Yamakaze DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 13, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Boise, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk Reduced sighting due to 35% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 35% moonlight: 10,000 yards Range closes to 1,000 yards... Naoi, Toshio crosses the 'T' DD Shiokaze engages CL Boise at 1,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Umikaze at 1,000 yards Moran, E. orders Allied TF to disengage Range increases to 2,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 2,000 yards DD Shiokaze sunk by CL Boise at 2,000 yards CL Boise sunk by DD Suzukaze at 2,000 yards Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dili -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/31/2009 12:46:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Not really. The Japanese 12.7cm/50 3rd Year Type gun (the Japanese Destroyer gun 5" gun) only fired HE and Incendiary Shrapnel rounds. They would not be able to penetrate the 127mm-165mm armor plate that a Brooklyn class cruiser carried over the vitals - even at point blank range. HE and IS rounds are soft nosed and not made to penetrate heavy armor plate ... they could get through the thin skinned areas though and start fires. B quote: ORIGINAL: Dili quote: Gotta agree here. Nagara is not a real light cruiser, its a destroyer leader. It's guns are completely ineffective against a well protected ship like Boise. At that distance even DD guns penetrate Boise. You are right, i didn't know that they hadn't AP rounds.

Big B -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/31/2009 1:52:47 AM)
No worries Dili, But several IJN DD's taking on a Brooklyn CL is a pretty forlorn hope in a shooting match - kinda' like M-7 Priest SPA's taking on a MK VI Tiger in a shoot out ... unless the Long Lance comes into play - [;)] Otherwise - it's "lay smoke, helm's a'lee, and 35 knots away!" B quote: ORIGINAL: Dili quote: ORIGINAL: Big B Not really. The Japanese 12.7cm/50 3rd Year Type gun (the Japanese Destroyer gun 5" gun) only fired HE and Incendiary Shrapnel rounds. They would not be able to penetrate the 127mm-165mm armor plate that a Brooklyn class cruiser carried over the vitals - even at point blank range. HE and IS rounds are soft nosed and not made to penetrate heavy armor plate ... they could get through the thin skinned areas though and start fires. B quote: ORIGINAL: Dili quote: Gotta agree here. Nagara is not a real light cruiser, its a destroyer leader. It's guns are completely ineffective against a well protected ship like Boise. At that distance even DD guns penetrate Boise. You are right, i didn't know that they hadn't AP rounds.

Cuttlefish -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/31/2009 2:41:03 AM)
I'm afraid the title and content of this thread has lodged a song my head. To the tune of "Kung Fu Fighting": Everybody was Boise fighting Those guns were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit frightning 'Cause they fired with expert timing...

Big B -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/31/2009 3:46:18 AM)
"No extra charge for sheer awesomeness.." quote: ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish I'm afraid the title and content of this thread has lodged a song my head. To the tune of "Kung Fu Fighting": Everybody was Boise fighting Those guns were fast as lighting In fact it was a little bit frightning 'Cause they fired with expert timing... [image]local://upfiles/16855/9EAE3DD12E584FD09C29B78533876055.jpg[/image]

Shark7 -> RE: Kung Fu Boise strikes again... (7/31/2009 4:15:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish I'm afraid the title and content of this thread has lodged a song my head. To the tune of "Kung Fu Fighting": Everybody was Boise fighting Those guns were fast as lighting In fact it was a little bit frightning 'Cause they fired with expert timing... ARGGHHHHH!!!! Now you've got that song stuck in my head. [:@] [:D]

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