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brett9983 -> RE: July 1942 (11/27/2009 2:28:19 PM)
I have no illusions that this is a fast game. I've had the game for several months and have been lurking around the boards for almost as long. I expect at best if using one day turns it would take half as long as the real war but most likely longer than that. I plan on doing a smaller scenario before jumping into the grand campaign. I've seen enough to know that playing a real opponent will be much more rewarding than playing the AI even if an opponent ends up dropping out.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: July 1942 (11/27/2009 3:40:10 PM)
2 Day turns are the way ahead for PBEM in my opinion. even if you manage 1/day its still finishable and not a huge time drain either. One important aspect of finding an opponent is relative time zones. Sardukar - I loaded the patch but havnt yet tried my june game with it yet. Looking good for china at long last. hopefully not too much supply but it would be nice to actully be able to repair broken squads and get replacements :D

Swenslim -> RE: July 1942 (11/27/2009 4:58:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar When I patched my Dec 8 Allied campaign to new beta patch, my Chinese supply levels in China exploded sky high. Hopefully that happens to you too.惽8D] There is some serious tweaking about supply, supply movement and garrison levels in new patch which will probably help Chinese a lot. The new garrison levels didn't make it to scen 6 or 9 yet, but supply changes suddenly made my Chinese lot more potent. I have a feeling that supply bust is some major big, wich moves supply from India and USSR to China. With 100 000 - 250 000 supplys recieved China army will steam roll japan forces easely :))

khyberbill -> RE: July 1942 (11/27/2009 5:21:15 PM)
quote: Sardukar - I loaded the patch but havnt yet tried my june game with it yet. Looking good for china at long last. hopefully not too much supply but it would be nice to actully be able to repair broken squads and get replacements :D I have actually used up all my infantry squad reinforcements by 6/42. Now the 6 or 7 that arrive each day go immediately to a corps. Having more supply may (I just don't know) have helped me in combat against the 9400 AV death star, but the destruction (not talking disruption) of squads is so severe that one doesn't get enough reinforcements. Perhaps if they changed it from 200 squads a month to 100 per day (my average daily loss when being bombarded and in reserve mode behind lvl 4/5 forts) then having more supply would make a difference in my PBEM. As it is now, the game is stopped until we determine if new HR is required after the patch. We will probably re-run a few turns in the position we are in now to see what the affect on China is with patch 2 and then re-start.

Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: July 1942 (11/27/2009 6:41:53 PM)
I just played my opponent over IM programs. That way when you are both on you can send turns back and forth, keeps a better flow on the game too.

aztez -> August 1942 (11/29/2009 7:14:55 PM)
Rob: RAF pilots have been mounting kills but have also taken heavy losses. There is now 2nd 10 kill british pilot reported MIA. Yeah, I'am training pilots but the progress is very slow and at the moment I need to feed some of the mediocre pilots in lions den. The replacement rates of allied fighters/bombers are also low in numbers. Yeah, I don't like none of the options given to me at china. The terrain is the main idea behind these "retreat orders. Whether it will do any good we shall see. I know that the japanese doesn't have wings but just cannot abandon the mountrain you are referring to. khyberbill: That is the "scenario" that I calculated too. One of the main reason why I chose to abandon the city. At the moment he is bombing my troops with his airforce and these runs are devastating too. He does disable quite a few of my troops and they do recover agonazingly slow pace. There really isn't much good happening here. Pretty much feeling the same pain as you do. brett9983: Thank you and welcome. You can learn a lot by reading this forum. There really is not one way of doing things. My mistake was to underestimate the pace of japanese expansion. I took way too literally the words that this has been slowed down from the classic witp. The reality has been a lot diffrent. Good to hear that you are intrested in PBEM games. In my opinion it takes the game to another level. I would recommend you take your time picking your opponent since that the single most important factor. Xxzard: True. This game is really not over by months time but we have maintained nice pace. Allthough it has been slow going at the moment due to my busy schedule etc. I would estimate we reach the end within 2 years time at the latest.Propably a faster though. To be honest without keeping an AAR the pace will be faster. Yamato_Blitzer: It is longtime commitment. I still do recommend an PBEM game but not with single day turns unless you really can produce multiple turns daily. I wouldn't say it is hard to find PBEM partners but as stated to brett it is the single most important decision. That is why I prefer to have an opponent who has been around quite long time. Sardaukar: That is nice to hear. Unfortunately we decieded not to install the beta as of yet. Reading your comments though have changed my mind though. I will ask him to install the patch before he does the next turn. The supply situation at china is awful at the moment. castor troy: Welcome and nice to "see" you. I was assuming you really did a lot turns daily by reading your AAR's. You have had realiable opponents to say the least. Swenslim: I haven't loaded the patch yet but I doubt china can "steamroll" anything. Just way low experienced and badly equipped troops on hand. I cannot say for sure though.

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (11/29/2009 7:15:49 PM)
Burma (august 4th -10th 1942) We have had some air to air battles over Magwe in past days. I did fly my P40E's at 29 000 feet and Hurricanes +30 000 feet to just test this out. Not much of an diffrence though since we ended up around 1:1 odds which is not bad at all in terms of pilots. Unfortunately it is bad since japanese are most like outproducing my fighter replacement rates as well as bombers. So, even if I get better pilots I will not have anything to fly them with. Last turn saw the Mini KB near Akyab. The weather was bad so my assault strikes got grounded and dispersed. Thus leading to unnecessary losses. Hopefully the weather will clear up and we can get couple of coordinated strikes againts these ships. Otherwise I have no recon whether is actually moving troops towards India. I'am flying recon missions but we haven't spotted anything worth of mentioning. [image]local://upfiles/15617/83BAC47C69894940A775B166CC10D6E2.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (11/29/2009 7:16:38 PM)
China (august 4th - 10th 1942) The Changhsa has been overrun. Only minor sabotage damage was done to the industry. We are moving troops towards inner china but we need to clear out some enemy troops before this. I'am suprised to see that enemy has already reached Changhteh from Changhsa. I thought the terrain would have slowed him down more. Japanese airforce has conducted a lot of ground bombing runs and have a lot of casualties. This is very frustrating since chinese really don't have anything to defend againts these assaults. I will propose we load up the beta patch or wait for the official one to come out. The chinese units need all the help they can get since this unfortunately has been very unbalanced front for months now. [image]local://upfiles/15617/E583656F11CE46F28A402BB64228DE41.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (11/29/2009 7:17:32 PM)
Oz (august 4th - 10th 1942) Japanese have seized the northern oz and trying to cut off the allied troops from Carins/Townswille area. I think the map speaks better than 1000 words. An ground assault is ordered for the next turn. Hopefully we can knock those two units out, [image]local://upfiles/15617/1DB135FF25C5450CAC84B83BFEEBF15B.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/1/2009 8:06:16 PM)
China (august 11th - 13th 1942) There was an ground assault againts Changhteh which was repulsed on the 12th and 13th... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changteh (81,50) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 72473 troops, 491 guns, 554 vehicles, Assault Value = 2294 Defending force 39071 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1144 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese adjusted assault: 1220 Allied adjusted defense: 1969 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2765 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 136 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 146 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Vehicles lost 29 (1 destroyed, 28 disabled) Allied ground losses: 4970 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 247 disabled Non Combat: 65 destroyed, 267 disabled Engineers: 26 destroyed, 19 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units:... 11th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 8th Armored Car Co ... 13th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 51st Recon Regiment... 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 5th Armored Car Co ... 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade... 8th Recon Regiment... 6th Division... 13th Tank Regiment... 40th Division... 37th Division... 12th Tank Regiment... 26th Recon Regiment... 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion... 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment... 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion... ... Defending units:... 71st Chinese/A Corps... 6th Construction Regiment... 87th Chinese Corps... 8th Chinese Corps... 71st Chinese/B Corps... 54th Chinese/A Corps... 26th Chinese/A Corps... 5th Chinese Cavalry/ Corps... 5th Chinese Cavalry/ Corps... 41st Chinese Corps... 54th Chinese/C Corps... 7th Artillery Regiment... 6th War Area ... 20th Group Army... 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changteh (81,50) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 9268 troops, 177 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 4005 Defending force 34795 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 941 Japanese adjusted assault: 90 Allied adjusted defense: 1709 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 18 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1606 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 71 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Vehicles lost 10 (0 destroyed, 10 disabled) Allied ground losses: 438 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 18 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units:... 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade... 37th Division... 40th Division... 11th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 5th Armored Car Co ... 41st Division... 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 8th Armored Car Co ... 71st Engineer Regiment... 6th Division... 13th Indpt Infantry Regiment... 35th Division... 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade... 34th Division... 26th RGC Temp. Division... 12th Tank Regiment... 8th Recon Regiment... 13th Tank Regiment... 57th Infantry Brigade... 51st Recon Regiment... 26th Recon Regiment... 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment... 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment... 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion... 12th Army... 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion... 1st Mortar Battalion... 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment... 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion... ... Defending units:... 5th Chinese Cavalry/ Corps... 8th Chinese Corps... 41st Chinese Corps... 54th Chinese/A Corps... 5th Chinese Cavalry/ Corps... 71st Chinese/B Corps... 87th Chinese Corps... 26th Chinese/A Corps... 71st Chinese/A Corps... 54th Chinese/C Corps... 6th Construction Regiment... 7th Artillery Regiment... 20th Group Army... 6th War Area ... 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment... ....that one big stack once more over 4000av worth of troops gathered here. The chinese are on combat orders moving out of the hex and currently 28/40 so maybe we can actually get out before forced to retreat. Another thing worth of mentioning is that we have not upgraded into beta patch since we are way too far ahead to test things out. We had a long discussion regarding this issue. Since this has not happened we have agreed on the following: - Japanese can continue their operations in northern and southern china. - In central china japan can only conquer Changhteh and those base bases near Changhsa. When done offensive operations must stop until official patch 2 is available. - Both sides can move troops around freely. These were agreed because we did not upgrade into beta patch. As for the china in a whole well organized withdrawal continues as stated. Dave is making huge bomber raids againts my ground forces all over the map and nothing to stop him doing this. Unfortunately. [image]local://upfiles/15617/2642063E5CF64CEF8E6751FEA73C2B1C.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/1/2009 8:07:24 PM)
Oz (august 11th - 13th 1942) The advance of the japanese continues. The allied troops moving towards south were forced to fight it out and we got short end of that stick... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 77,130 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 15750 troops, 49 guns, 599 vehicles, Assault Value = 570 Defending force 13918 troops, 154 guns, 177 vehicles, Assault Value = 259 Japanese adjusted assault: 340 Allied adjusted defense: 82 Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 515 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Vehicles lost 17 (0 destroyed, 17 disabled) Allied ground losses: 4774 casualties reported Squads: 63 destroyed, 31 disabled Non Combat: 341 destroyed, 60 disabled Engineers: 14 destroyed, 6 disabled Guns lost 30 (17 destroyed, 13 disabled) Vehicles lost 67 (50 destroyed, 17 disabled) Units retreated 12 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units:... 47th Infantry Regiment... 5th Engineer Regiment... 16th Recon Regiment... 48th Recon Regiment... 22nd Recon Regiment... 8th Tank Regiment... 2nd Recon Regiment... 56th Recon Regiment... 2nd Tank Regiment... 1st Tank Regiment... 7th Tank Regiment... ... Defending units:... Gull Battalion... 2/1 NAOU Det. ... 2nd Recce Battalion... Sparrow Battalion... 2/4 MG Battalion... 2/8th Armoured Regiment... 19th Australian Battalion... NW Australia Base Force... Northern Territory ... 2nd RAN Base Force... NW Aus Aviation Rgt ... Katherine RAAF Base Force... I was hoping for better results as said but it wasn't to be. Somewhat used to this at the moment. We are still trying to move these units out but the situation doesn't look good at all. [image]local://upfiles/15617/AED1FB2E55ED466991CEE0169E2681C8.jpg[/image]

Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: August 1942 (12/2/2009 12:13:10 AM)
Ugh I Hope they introduce some major fixes next patch. August 1942 and the results are still the same as 1941, totally unrealistic. The main thing is China, obviously. Some major historical accuracy changes need to be introduced in China, there's no way China would have fallen this quickly in the actual war, and it would have fallen ridiculously fast in this game had you guys not agreed to the ceise-fire (pretty dampering to the game when people are forced to manual measures like that in an attempt to retain some sense of historical accuracy). I mean I can understand proportionally higher losses for you in battles like the OZ one you posted above. But usually it's retardedly one-sided in such an unrealistic way. Not just China, but everywhere. China is pretty frustrating though, think of all the ideas and thought people put into that front in your AAR and it was all for nothing, because there's clearly no way you can win there against a reasonably good human opponent.

Mistmatz -> RE: August 1942 (12/2/2009 11:24:52 AM)
aztez, keep your head up. You'll win the war with or without China. From the maps you posted I didn't see any chinese units infiltrating the japanese hinterland. How about splitting some of the LCUs that have only x/30 of their AV? They are basically free to replace and they draw a lot of attention to them that will be away from more important spots. Ususally placing them next to a RR or road hex is enough to trigger a japanese clearout force.

khyberbill -> RE: August 1942 (12/2/2009 1:01:54 PM)
quote: But usually it's retardedly one-sided in such an unrealistic way. Not just China, but everywhere. It does seem that once you force a stack to retreat then it is easy to follow up and quickly finish it off, if you are prepared in advance to do that. I have seen this happen in my PBEMs to all units although Chinese are the most vulnerable and the Japanese the least affected. I havent had a chance to see the degree that the Patch affects land combat.

Sardaukar -> RE: August 1942 (12/2/2009 1:12:45 PM)
Patch does affect land combat, but most PBEM-players have not patched to Beta, waiting for official patch.

Yamato_Blitzer -> RE: August 1942 (12/2/2009 6:17:09 PM)
I wasn't trying to be a downer. China is lost but that's minor in the big picture, it's just frustrating, you still have a good chance here, it all comes down to those carriers.

SuluSea -> RE: August 1942 (12/3/2009 12:12:10 PM)
I'm wondering if you are getting your destroyed units back at Chungking? If the lynchpin of the theatre is to simulate getting millions of chinese peasants as cannon fodder in an attempt to hold it and your not getting them there may be a problem. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2308506

Smeulders -> RE: August 1942 (12/3/2009 12:18:13 PM)
Good that that seems to be getting fixes in the patch. I've only lost 2 corps so far, but if the game has gone on as long as this one, I wonder how many units have been lost to this bug.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: August 1942 (12/3/2009 3:37:04 PM)
Good news and bad news for Aztez then. Good news in that (from what i saw when he sent me a turn) he'd split up a lot of chinese corps for whatever reason, so killing off all 3 sub units would be nigh well impossible (as they weren't usually stacked together), so he wont have many if any destroyed units to be affected by the bug. Bad news for exactly the same splitting reason. This also impacts on any chinese player splitting broken corps for guerilla duty (they wont die together). ofc this is all with 100% hindsight and not meant as a critisism at all. Actually it gives pro's and con's to dividing units and therefore more tactical and strategic decisions for the rest of us noobs to choke on [:D]

SuluSea -> RE: August 1942 (12/3/2009 4:04:38 PM)
If you break the troops up it still doesn't mean they are immune to the respawn bug. For instance two of my divided units respawned some haven't. Here's the two that did, the other destroyed units aren't on the replacement que . [image]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/Noopers/MIAs3.jpg[/image] .

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 10:15:36 AM)
Yamato_Blitzer: Yes, I do agree 100%. The ceasefire in china had to be done otherwise this would be all over by now which is very unrealistic. We haven't upgraded into beta patch due to obvious reason. We are too far ahead to risk this progress. I haven't found much on what the effects are but I sincerely hope they have tweaked a lot. Rob stated that the supply situation is at least somewhat better. The forums are not buzzing with activity either in my opinion. The carriers are the key and we need knock out KB once that is done than we can push ahead. Unfortunately we did lose those 2 US ones early on due to bad luck and maneuvering. Mistmatz: Appreciated! That is the plan anyway. There are still japanese offensive movement ongoing both at India/Burma and Oz. That is not good since it is already august 1942. This mainly due to attirition of airforces. Eventhough he has lost 3500 aircraft he still can outproduce my replacements. Thus can maintain offensive actions. No. There is really none at the moment. I did that and we lost a lot of troops by doing guerilla warfare. There is also an "bug" that seems to hinder respawn of units when divided. Thus these troops are gone for good. I will look into this soon again though. khyberbill: The retreat is absolutely devastating you can lose 70% or more total strenght. I did knock out few japanese troops and the losses were maybe around 30-40% of av lost. I haven't had chance to check out the beta patch either and did not found many threads detailing the ground combat diffrencies. Sardaukar: Most likely why there is not many threads. There are a lot at stake when toying around beta patches. SuluSea: No, These troops don't seem to respawn. I have had maybe couple of them comeback. Most of them are gone for good. I would not recommend splitting up corpses since with the game model you can lose 33% of the strenght without any chance of getting it back. I have seen the same as you described with your pic. Smeulders: The answer is a lot of units! I cannot combine corpses since 1 fragment is gone etc. This has affected the gameplay. I don't know whether they will re-appear with new patch. Splitting units in china is not an good idea at all. Rob: The "splitting up" wasn't a problem earlier but we have lost quite a few after that so it is hard to say how much this has actually eaten up. As stated above it also affects the recombining units etc.

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 10:16:29 AM)
China (august 14th - 20th 1942) The "ceasefire" is in effect and we are waiting for the official patch. Japanese have now seized Changhteh and are fortifying the base as we speak. The ground battles resulted to around 5000 chinese and 3000 japanese lost. The good thing was that we managed to repulse the assault and by the time next assault came the base was "empty". That withdrawal propably saved around 700av worth of infantry since we were not forced to retreat. Dave has some 4000av worth of infantry near Changhteh so he is most likely pushing forward once the ceasefire lifts. Japanese airforce is very active though and has bombed heavily our troops around Chihkiang. In the north japanese continue to mop up our troops. Last turn Sining was seized by the enemy forces. [image]local://upfiles/15617/65EB96E2235445788E959D247A4A90A6.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 10:17:30 AM)
India (august 14th - 20th 1942) The imperial navy is still very active around Chittadong. Last turn BB Yamato, BB Haruna and BB Kongo bombarded the base here. The results were quite effective. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Chittagong at 55,41 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed on ground P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed on ground Hudson IIIa: 1 destroyed on ground Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Yamato BB Haruna BB Kongo Allied ground losses: 68 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled) Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled) Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 53 Port hits 1 BB Yamato firing at Chittagong ... BB Haruna firing at Chittagong Fortress... BB Kongo firing at 2/11th Field Regiment... ...our artillery did not fire back at all. This operation still has the full attention of "mini KB". RAF launched we strikes againts it and we were unable to breakthrough the CAP. Dave has put up around 100 aircraft here and it seems suicide even attempting to breakthrough. The carriers involved are: CV Junyo, CVL Ryujo, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CS Mizuho, CS Chitose and CS Nisshin. I did not attempt to intervene againts these ships since this seems very good way to attrite the low allied replacement pools. None of these ships were hit in earlier attempts though. I'am increasing the recon flights around Chittadong and Akyab when next turn arrives. [image]local://upfiles/15617/EA2600249FA24EA0BEEE1732808BBF08.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 10:18:13 AM)
Northern Oz (august 14th - 20th 1942) The japanese assaults continue in northern oz. The battles have now moved into wastelands and it seems that our troops are likely to get themselves destroyed. The enemy push is covered by large scale aerial bombings. [image]local://upfiles/15617/ED4059193F8E40BD8A3E04D62DF2BE1E.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 8:15:42 PM)
Hi guys, Just wanted to thank all the contributors and readers in this thread. All the comments have been very helpful and has ease the burden of the losses suffered in this campaign. We are still far from the grand allied assaults in this PBEM but I do hope the tide is turning. Today is the 92nd independence day back here. We have had some rough ordeals vs USSR in 1940's. If you want to read about these than: Winter War (november 30th 1939 - march 14th 1940) http://www.mil.fi/perustietoa/talvisota_eng/ http://www.winterwar.com/mainpage.htm and Continuation War (25 June 1941�19 September 1944) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Swenslim -> RE: August 1942 (12/6/2009 10:21:46 PM)
Aztez thank you for links ! Definitly tragic event in history of our people.

LoBaron -> RE: August 1942 (12/7/2009 4:51:57 PM)
Thanks for the links, very interesting details! Btw. if you don愒 know that site already: http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/finland.htm http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/ in general is a great collection of biographies or combat reports of exceptional WWII pilots from most countries. I was always amazed by the resistance Finland was able to muster against the Soviet attack.

Swenslim -> RE: August 1942 (12/7/2009 5:47:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoBaron Thanks for the links, very interesting details! Btw. if you don愒 know that site already: http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/finland.htm http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/ in general is a great collection of biographies or combat reports of exceptional WWII pilots from most countries. I was always amazed by the resistance Finland was able to muster against the Soviet attack. Hm...lets think in AE terms fins had + terraine bonus, + wheater bonus, + winter trained and equiped army bonus, + higher morale bonus, + better commanders bonus, + 5-6 fort bonus. Try to bit such army :) almost same situation as we had against Germany in autumn and winter of 1941 exept better commanders:)

aztez -> RE: August 1942 (12/7/2009 6:21:40 PM)
Swenslim: That was tragic indeed. My grandfather took part in some fierce fighting. He never talked about those days in detail but after the war he never left home without an pistol. I guess that speaks more than 1000 words. Unfortunately he died when I was very young so never really had an chance to talk him about it. I doubt he would have done it either though. I might look his service records up one of these days since they might be intresting. That is one calculation that builds up! [:)] LoBaron: Thanks! Those familiar names and quite a few aces there. Actually there was an documentary few week back where veterans talked about those days. I wish my Brewster pilots would be equally efficient with this game. There are intresting personalities that did unbelievable things. Maybe one of the odd stories must be the one of Simo H銛h�! He was an finnish sniper that has been reported to have done +500 kills during his service in winter war. He is kind of winter war legend. There are plenty of others too. Not known to huge audience. ie Lauri T顤ni etc, etc. Lets just hope we are done with this kind of business nowdays and can get along with each other. Overall the veterans are ranked in very high standard in modern Finland. I guess small country needs to keep together. I will check those links you posted. I like to read when I have spare time in my hand. Pacific (august 21st - 24th 1942) The offensive period is temporarily halted and not much action is seen anywhere. There tensions mounting in India and Australia with japanese army movement reported. I'am in no position yet to launch grandscale offensives but I have some troops available and my strenght will start build up. Actually things are going like they did in the classic witp where this was the time when both sides reconed and prepared for upcoming battles ahead. Here is the map detailing most important developments lately. [image]local://upfiles/15617/DD5F3872FB974BEE991A990D3018C666.jpg[/image]

Squamry -> RE: August 1942 (12/8/2009 11:40:13 AM)
Great AAR. I'm another inspired to start PBEM game by this thread more than any other. Will raise a glass to you when I am in Helsinki this weekend

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