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MadmanRick -> The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 1:48:37 AM)
Ok, I'm a little concerned with some of the results I'm seeing vis a vis surface combat. For the last few turns I've had a Japanese amphib TF, escorted by a powerful SAG anchored by the BB Kongo & Haruna, along with 2 CA's, a CL and 6 DD's have it's lunch eaten by one or two obsolete Allied DD's. So far, I've been on the short end of these engagements by a long shot. Thoughts?? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 24, 41 Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru xAK Ryugi Maru, Shell hits 2 xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru xAK Amakusa Maru xAP Hikawa Maru xAP Hakozaki Maru, Shell hits 20, heavy fires Allied Ships DD Alden, Shell hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 532 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 22 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 7 (0 destroyed, 7 disabled) Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching! Allied TF begins to get underway Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 32% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 32% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... Fenwick D. crosses the 'T' DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Tihuku Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Ryugi Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 2,000 yards Fenwick D. orders Allied TF to disengage Task forces break off... Night Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Shell hits 2 BB Haruna, Shell hits 1 CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio, Shell hits 2 DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships DD Van Nes DD Evertsen, Shell hits 3, and is sunk Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 32% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 32% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... BB Kongo engages DD Evertsen at 1,000 yards DD Evertsen engages DD Arashio at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Evertsen sunk by BB Haruna at 2,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Van Nes at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships xAKL Elcano Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range increases to 23,000 yards... Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 25,000 yards... Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 25,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range closes to 19,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Range increases to 19,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 16,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Range closes to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range increases to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 14,000 yards... Range increases to 16,000 yards... Range increases to 17,000 yards... Range increases to 19,000 yards... Range increases to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range increases to 21,000 yards... Range increases to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... Range increases to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Range increases to 20,000 yards... Range closes to 19,000 yards... Range increases to 22,000 yards... Range increases to 23,000 yards... Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 25,000 yards... Range increases to 27,000 yards... Range increases to 28,000 yards... Range closes to 27,000 yards... Range closes to 26,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Range closes to 28,000 yards... Range closes to 26,000 yards... Range increases to 28,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Range closes to 27,000 yards... Range closes to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 25,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range increases to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range increases to 23,000 yards... Range closes to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 21,000 yards... Range increases to 22,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... Range increases to 21,000 yards... Range closes to 20,000 yards... Range closes to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 14,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range increases to 11,000 yards... Range increases to 14,000 yards... Range increases to 15,000 yards... Range increases to 17,000 yards... Range increases to 18,000 yards... Range closes to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 16,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 9,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 69,92, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire xAK Ryugi Maru, heavy fires xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru, heavy damage xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAK Amakusa Maru, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage xAP Hikawa Maru, Shell hits 30, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Van Nes, Shell hits 3 Japanese ground losses: 337 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 33 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 53 (26 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 19 (5 destroyed, 14 disabled) Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 2,000 yards Range closes to 19,000 yards... Range closes to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards xAK Azuchisan Maru sunk by DD Van Nes at 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Sanuki Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 4,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 4,000 yards xAK Thames Maru collides with xAK Shoho Maru at 69 , 92 DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Nittei Maru at 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Amakusa Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Yuzan Maru at 3,000 yards Task forces break off... Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 69,92, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Okuni Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Van Nes Japanese ground losses: 205 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 2,000 yards Range closes to 19,000 yards... Range closes to 17,000 yards... Range closes to 15,000 yards... Range closes to 13,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 2,000 yards Lagay, C.A. orders Allied TF to disengage Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Okuni Maru at 3,000 yards DD Van Nes engages xAK Hokuzyu Maru at 3,000 yards Task forces break off... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 22, 41 Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 70,91, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru xAK Ryugi Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru xAK Amakusa Maru xAP Hikawa Maru xAP Hakozaki Maru Allied Ships DD Alden Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 14% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 14% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range increases to 11,000 yards... Range closes to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range increases to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range increases to 5,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 10,000 yards... Range increases to 11,000 yards... Range increases to 12,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 70,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Tatsuho Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Alden Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms with 14% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 14% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range increases to 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range increases to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 21, 41 Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Heiei Maru #7, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru xAK Ryugi Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tatsuho Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Yubari Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Amakusa Maru xAP Hikawa Maru xAP Hakozaki Maru Allied Ships DD Alden Japanese ground losses: 86 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled) Low visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Yubari Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards xAK Yubari Maru sunk by DD Alden at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Tatsuho Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Azuchisan Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Ryugi Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards Fenwick D. orders Allied TF to disengage DD Alden engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships DD Alden Reduced visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range increases to 5,000 yards... Range increases to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range increases to 5,000 yards... Range increases to 7,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Akatsuki engages DD Alden at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Alden at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna, Shell hits 2 CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships DD Alden Low visibility due to Rain with 7% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 7% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards... Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range increases to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... Range increases to 2,000 yards BB Haruna engages DD Alden at 2,000 yards Task forces break off... Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 68,91, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships APD Fuji, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk APD Hagi, Shell hits 19, and is sunk E Tsuta, Shell hits 14, and is sunk E Yomogi, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Heiei Maru #7 xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hakodate Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Ryugi Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tatsuho Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Yubari Maru xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru xAK Amakusa Maru xAP Hikawa Maru xAP Hakozaki Maru, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships DD Alden DD Edsall, Shell hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 690 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 54 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 67 (39 destroyed, 28 disabled) Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 0% moonlight Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 0% moonlight: 1,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Edsall engages APD Fuji at 1,000 yards APD Fuji sunk by DD Alden at 1,000 yards Range increases to 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 3,000 yards DD Edsall engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hikawa Maru at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru , xAK Amakusa Maru , xAK Azuchisan Maru , xAK Okuni Maru , xAK Yubari Maru , xAK Yuzan Maru , xAK Ume Maru , xAK Uyo Maru , xAK Tone Maru , xAK Tatsuho Maru , xAK Taibun Maru , xAK Shoho Maru , xAK Sanuki Maru , xAK Ryugi Maru , xAK Nittei Maru , xAK Nansin Maru , xAK Hokuzyu Maru , xAK Hakodate Maru , xAK Tazan Maru screened from combat - escorted by E Yomogi , E Tsuta DD Edsall engages PB Heiei Maru #7 at 3,000 yards xAK Hakodate Maru collides with xAK Uyo Maru at 68 , 91 APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru , xAK Amakusa Maru screened from combat DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards Range increases to 3,000 yards xAP Hikawa Maru collides with xAK Tone Maru at 68 , 91 DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 3,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Tsuta at 3,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAP Hakozaki Maru at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Nittei Maru at 3,000 yards DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards DD Alden engages APD Hagi at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards APD Hagi , xAP Hakozaki Maru , xAP Hikawa Maru , xAK Amakusa Maru , xAK Azuchisan Maru , xAK Okuni Maru screened from combat DD Edsall engages APD Hagi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Tsuta at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages xAK Taibun Maru at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages xAK Tihuku Maru at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Alden engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards DD Edsall engages E Yomogi at 2,000 yards E Tsuta sunk by DD Edsall at 2,000 yards Kaufman, P.M. orders Allied TF to disengage Task forces break off... Day Time Surface Combat, near Tawau at 69,91, Range 18,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Heiei Maru #7 xAK Thames Maru xAK Tihuku Maru xAK Kyokusei Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokuzyu Maru xAK Nansin Maru xAK Nittei Maru xAK Ryugi Maru xAK Sanuki Maru xAK Shoho Maru xAK Taibun Maru xAK Tatsuho Maru xAK Tone Maru xAK Uyo Maru xAK Ume Maru xAK Yuzan Maru xAK Yubari Maru xAK Okuni Maru xAK Azuchisan Maru xAK Amakusa Maru xAP Hikawa Maru xAP Hakozaki Maru Allied Ships DD Alden DD Edsall Reduced visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 1,000 yards Range increases to 18,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat

Shark7 -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 1:57:08 AM)
Looks to me that you need to put some ASuW vessels in the transport TF, and not just as part of the ASuW TF escorting it. Basically it looks as if the swarm of gnats is able to evade your sledgehammer. [:D] I rarely send a transport TF into enemy territory without at least a couple of DDs in the TG with it. I like to throw in a light cruiser or two when I can, TBH.

Tazo -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 2:06:58 AM)
I agree, DD/CA escorts have to be inside the TG, not following [:-], otherwise they are not sailing together with the transports as a well organized convoy and can not provide cover against subs or surface night attacks. And night combat is very dangerous for everybody, a single DD can show out of nowhere, see a BB/CA, send torpedoes and desappear by chance, or take instant close range salvo and sink...

treespider -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 2:18:07 AM)
Likewise try setting the Amphib TF to follow the SAG, rather than the SAG following the Amphib TF.

tigercub -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 3:16:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shark7 Looks to me that you need to put some ASuW vessels in the transport TF, and not just as part of the ASuW TF escorting it. Basically it looks as if the swarm of gnats is able to evade your sledgehammer. [:D] I rarely send a transport TF into enemy territory without at least a couple of DDs in the TG with it. I like to throw in a light cruiser or two when I can, TBH. I second that! All ways keep an escort inside a Transport TF. Tiger!

Don Bowen -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 3:44:00 AM)
I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue?

gunnergoz -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 7:14:11 AM)
I just saw the IJN lose BB Haruna to some UK DD's off of Khota Baru in a night engagement - DD's got away pretty much unscathed.� So they can slip in there, it seems.� Playing Allies, I'm not too broken up about it.[:D]

Bluebook -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 8:47:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue? Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me... quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships xAKL Elcano Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... [snip range changes] Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 9,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat

tigercub -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 9:14:38 AM)
They spotted them and moved away lol.. Tiger!

AttuWatcher -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 9:19:28 AM)
IJN must have thought it was a minelayer and ran for their lives!

Don Bowen -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 9:34:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bluebook quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue? Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me... quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships xAKL Elcano Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... [snip range changes] Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 9,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat I'd bet you can go back through combat reports for the last couple of turns and find that the Japanese TF had engaged in combat - maybe more than once. If it was low on ammo if would refuse combat in almost every circumstance. In a low visibility situation, with a weak commander, without good detection levels on the enemy - all of these could contribute. However, if you would like, post the pre-combat save in the Tech Support forum and I'll take a look.

88l71 -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 11:07:18 AM)
Might have ducked into a rain squall or something, stuff like that did happen.

John Lansford -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 12:15:53 PM)
The same thing happened at Miri a few turns ago; Java and Perth plus 3 DD's intercepted a transport TF landing troops and shot them up pretty well. Then a SWTF made up of Maya, a CL and several DD's intervened. Instead of blasting the Allied TF, Maya got torpedoed and sunk and the CL's got away with only minor shell damage and one DD seriously hit. Then the British MTB's showed up from the other direction and torpedoed another transport, the SWTF intervened again and chased them all the way back to 3 hexes past Brunei!!! The bigger ships would start an engagement, the MTB's would retreat one hex east, the SWTF would move there, and the process repeated several times. Of course, Perth was sunk in a daytime attack by Bettys flying from Davao the next morning, and Java badly hit, but I figured trading two small CL's for a transport TF and Maya was well worth it.

Graymane -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 12:34:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue? I was thinking the same thing. Did everyone notice that most of those combats were fought in low vis and thunderstorms?

EUBanana -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 12:36:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FAsea IJN must have thought it was a minelayer and ran for their lives! [:D][:D][:D]

RevRick -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 12:52:06 PM)
Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts.

oldman45 -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 2:35:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen quote: ORIGINAL: Bluebook quote: ORIGINAL: Don Bowen I read through this combat report in detail and did not notice anything that seemed out of whack. What do you think is an issue? Well, I dont know, but this seems a bit odd to me... quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Tandjoengselor at 68,93, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki DD Hibiki Allied Ships xAKL Elcano Low visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 3,000 yards Range increases to 26,000 yards... Range closes to 24,000 yards... [snip range changes] Range closes to 7,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 9,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat I'd bet you can go back through combat reports for the last couple of turns and find that the Japanese TF had engaged in combat - maybe more than once. If it was low on ammo if would refuse combat in almost every circumstance. In a low visibility situation, with a weak commander, without good detection levels on the enemy - all of these could contribute. However, if you would like, post the pre-combat save in the Tech Support forum and I'll take a look. That is exactly what happend to me in the celebes, both sides had a CA,CL and several DD's and both sides avoided combat. I was furious untill I looked at my ships and they had no main gun ammo [8\|]

emasino -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 2:59:04 PM)
Max visibility 1000yrds, Rain or thunderstorms and 0% to 32% moonlite = take a shot and hide in the night, take a shoot and hide in the night. DD's are like pesky little gnats.

grraven2004 -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 3:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RevRick Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts. Rev. I'm astonished it took you this long to post your comments. If you think about it the weather sucked. I would think it is possible to slip in and take your shots and maybe get out without much reprisals. I also agree that if you have escorts attached to the amphibs you have a much better chance of fighting off this sort of raid.

crsutton -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 7:01:51 PM)
Old BBs and treaty cruisers were very poor ships to send into confined waters or very dark nights against smaller lighter ships-espeically early in the war. They were slow to turn, has older gunlaying equipment which targeted too slow,� were vulnerable to torpedoes and either had none or were�not well equipped or trained in the use of radar. The IJN high command�was not happy about sending BCs into the slot, and the Americans only did it once (with near disasterous results) because they had nothing else to send.

RevRick -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 9:34:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: grraven2004 quote: ORIGINAL: RevRick Looked like an almost perfect DD engagement of a much larger target with a concentrated SAG nearby. Bad weather, night, speed, and guts. Rev. I'm astonished it took you this long to post your comments. If you think about it the weather sucked. I would think it is possible to slip in and take your shots and maybe get out without much reprisals. I also agree that if you have escorts attached to the amphibs you have a much better chance of fighting off this sort of raid. What! I'll have you know that I am in the middle of a Honey-Do day. It's nothing short of a miracle that I found the post to begin with. Actually, we're busy getting ready for a combined 40th year high school reunion and have about a seven hour drive ahead of us Thursday. Naturally, what that means is the wife has discovered that she has 'nothing' to wear, and has the credit card off shopping. I am trying to prevent the paper that accumulates on a desk during such periods (as in all vacations) from developing a breeding program whilst I am away and multiplying exponentially.

m10bob -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/4/2009 11:15:26 PM)
I also put DD's with my troop carrying AK's, not to pretect the AK's, but to preserve the investment of the troops in time and training to get them to this point. As for the AAR showing both sides try to withdraw?...Well, after the battle of Savo Island, the Japanese commander had a clear path to the Allied transports, but fearing the unknown, took a powder instead.. Many examples of this kind of inaction or withdrawal by a commander who should have been otherwise the victor.

RevRick -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/5/2009 3:17:38 PM)
Basically, as a former tin can sailor, you should never, ever, anywhere except where you absoltively posilutely are certain that nothing is likely to happen, (like perhaps between the Panama Canal and Pago Pago - and even then keep your finger and toes crossed!) send anything of any value whatsoever anywhere without an escort - whatever you can scrape together. If you don't have enough DD's send a minesweep, or even a tug. It is even more important to never send anything in harms way without tin cans around - Remember TAFFY Three!!!

joe chod -> RE: The little Destroyers that could! (8/5/2009 5:00:14 PM)
Single digit illum, heavy precipitation, thunder, lightning.......tough to spot anything.......ship bouncing.....watch crew thinking about "when is my watch over" rather than looking 100% of the time.......shoot and scoot is not just for SPG's.

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