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ORIGINAL: EUBanana

I thought skip bombing in AE (as presumably that is what this is) was essentially limited to attack bombers, and that was the whole reason to have the attack bomber as a new aircraft classification?

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

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ORIGINAL: EUBanana

I thought skip bombing in AE (as presumably that is what this is) was essentially limited to attack bombers, and that was the whole reason to have the attack bomber as a new aircraft classification?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0275945405/thewolfboutique

Product Description
Murphy was one of a very small number of volunteer pilots who, with their flight crews, started bombing at low altitudes in B-17 flying fortresses in the Southwest Pacific. The aircraft were flown at a 200-foot altitude and at 250 miles per hour at night. One-thousand pound bombs, equipped with four-to-five second fuses, were dropped from the B-17s.

Skip bombing was invented by using B-17s.

http://books.google.com.mt/books?id=ajQgDfPxKYYC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=B-17+skip+bombing&source=bl&ots=z2wAqnbEwM&sig=9dStSw8opgwNnqAkSj1q1DSSRsY&hl=mt&ei=Hup9Sq2nNdmM_Ab7-L3oBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=B-17%20skip%20bombing&f=false

See Chapter 3, "Ken's men".

And:

http://www.kensmen.com/skipbombing.html

http://www.kensmen.com/combatlessons6.html

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ORIGINAL: Mozo

I disagree. [;)]

I was frustrated my 4EBs from PM weren't hitting any naval targets from 19,000 so I tried it during my first CV battle - I figured they had nothing to lose. 12 hits! Yeah they were 500lb but 12 hits from 5 planes!?! And the zeros were useless. Seems a bit strange to me but I'll take it.

What do you think? I think it sounds about right. Apparently you found some pilots angry enough and brave enough to come in on the deck. In testing I found it almost useless to try to get heavies to come in below 9,000..., units simply wouldn't fly the mission. But the real reason why Allied heavies generally flew at 17-24,000 feet in the Pacific is that they were used in small numbers and generally for reccon. The altitude protected them from any Japanese fighters they might encounter. This was obviously a "backs-to-the-wall" situation, so tried the unexpected and slipped in under the CAP.

Mozo

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

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ORIGINAL: Mozo

I disagree. [;)]

I was frustrated my 4EBs from PM weren't hitting any naval targets from 19,000 so I tried it during my first CV battle - I figured they had nothing to lose. 12 hits! Yeah they were 500lb but 12 hits from 5 planes!?! And the zeros were useless. Seems a bit strange to me but I'll take it.

What do you think? I think it sounds about right. Apparently you found some pilots angry enough and brave enough to come in on the deck. In testing I found it almost useless to try to get heavies to come in below 9,000..., units simply wouldn't fly the mission. But the real reason why Allied heavies generally flew at 17-24,000 feet in the Pacific is that they were used in small numbers and generally for reccon. The altitude protected them from any Japanese fighters they might encounter. This was obviously a "backs-to-the-wall" situation, so they tried the unexpected and slipped in under the CAP.

Mozo

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ORIGINAL: pad152
B17's or B24's droping 500lbs bombs at a 100ft would likly blow themselves up, if the fuses were set correctly.
One would have hoped this was fixed. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: dpstafford

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ORIGINAL: pad152
B17's or B24's droping 500lbs bombs at a 100ft would likly blow themselves up, if the fuses were set correctly.
One would have hoped this was fixed. [8|]

Yes, I thought this sort of gamey crap was going to be "handled" better in AE.

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ORIGINAL: TheElf
Well, DP I guess you can chock this one up as a personal victory...congratulations. How does it feel?

What are you going to do now that you've defeated the entire AE team and proven that nothing has changed, since WitP?

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ORIGINAL: dpstafford

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ORIGINAL: TheElf
Well, DP I guess you can chock this one up as a personal victory...congratulations. How does it feel?

What are you going to do now that you've defeated the entire AE team and proven that nothing has changed, since WitP?

I'm going to Disney World......

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ORIGINAL: Mozo

I disagree. [;)]

I was frustrated my 4EBs from PM weren't hitting any naval targets from 19,000 so I tried it during my first CV battle - I figured they had nothing to lose. 12 hits! Yeah they were 500lb but 12 hits from 5 planes!?! And the zeros were useless. Seems a bit strange to me but I'll take it.

What do you think?

Mozo

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ORIGINAL: Puhis
I think that a CV should be able to out manuever a few big 4E bombers so easily. One steep turn should be enough.

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

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ORIGINAL: EUBanana

I thought skip bombing in AE (as presumably that is what this is) was essentially limited to attack bombers, and that was the whole reason to have the attack bomber as a new aircraft classification?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0275945405/thewolfboutique

Product Description
Murphy was one of a very small number of volunteer pilots who, with their flight crews, started bombing at low altitudes in B-17 flying fortresses in the Southwest Pacific. The aircraft were flown at a 200-foot altitude and at 250 miles per hour at night. One-thousand pound bombs, equipped with four-to-five second fuses, were dropped from the B-17s.

Skip bombing was invented by using B-17s.

http://books.google.com.mt/books?id=ajQgDfPxKYYC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=B-17+skip+bombing&source=bl&ots=z2wAqnbEwM&sig=9dStSw8opgwNnqAkSj1q1DSSRsY&hl=mt&ei=Hup9Sq2nNdmM_Ab7-L3oBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=B-17%20skip%20bombing&f=false

See Chapter 3, "Ken's men".

And:

http://www.kensmen.com/skipbombing.html

http://www.kensmen.com/combatlessons6.html

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ORIGINAL: Mozo
I was frustrated my 4EBs from PM weren't hitting any naval targets from 19,000 so I tried it during my first CV battle - I figured they had nothing to lose. 12 hits! Yeah they were 500lb but 12 hits from 5 planes!?! And the zeros were useless. Seems a bit strange to me but I'll take it.

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ORIGINAL: FAsea

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ORIGINAL: dpstafford

I'm going to Disney World......

too late...my B-17s just bombed it to smithereens at 100ft.[sm=sterb011.gif]

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Just curious as to when this was and what the Pilot experience levels were?

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ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

http://www.kensmen.com/combatlessons6.html

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7. Precautionary Measures:

Skip bombing with heavy bombardment aircraft must be considered an attack of opportunity. Any attempt to skip bomb a war vessel in the light, unsupported, would probably be particularly hazardous because of lack of speed and manoeuvrability and small amount of forward fire power. Successful daylight attacks have been made on unescorted merchant vessels by heavy bombers, and light bombers heavily armed forward with .50 cal machine guns have been highly successful against war vessels. This success of light bombers was due to surprise, coordination, and heavy forward fire, none of which are likely to exist in a daylight attack on warships by heavy bombardment. Repeated skip bombing attacks in the same area would result in some form of protection designed to defeat it. It is, however, when the opportunity presents itself, an ideal surefire method of hitting the target.

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

The low flying 4 engine bomber is slow, poorly maneuverable and BIG juicy target for any navy man-of-war ship with serious AA on board... the attacking bombers should have been wiped out with AA...

Atacking unarmed merchants is different story though!


Leo "Apollo11"