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FatFlint -> Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/14/2009 12:57:40 AM)

The opening night of the battle I was able to use a rushing tactic. In the darkness it worked, as you can see from the screen cap it did'nt work so good in the daytime.
I thought I'd done well on this map on the night turn but I was wrong, dead wrong.

I set up in the hedge right above the road to St. Mere Eglise with three teams on ambush. Sure enough Kosigan sent out a unit to take the waypoint and it was promptly slaughtered. So far, so good.

Then Kosigan started a mortar barrage behind me to my north, to flush me out. I did'nt realize he was flushing me out and I though he was under manned. "Who fires a mortar barrage that close to their own team?" Someone desperate I thought. I was dead wrong.

He quickly dispached each and everyone of my units and started the long grind of breaking my mens will to fight.


Flint

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Senior Drill -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/14/2009 2:58:11 AM)

Lesson learned. Rarely place units on ambush in positions that are under 30m of expected contact unless it is a lone team hoping to defend against an assault. In night battles, always use Defend so they will fire at anything. Your three teams probably would have held their ground even under the mortars if they had been on Defend. You were on the receiving end of the principle of Violence of the Attack.



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/14/2009 10:16:23 AM)

Another round of battles. I was unable to take much ground anywhere. Kosigan is a great defender, his large guns inflicted so much damage it was unbareable. His use of trenches is also brutally intelligent.
We also had our 1st dropped game due to my internet taking a dive.

The attached cap speaks for it's self. Kosigans attack went terribly wrong and somehow his attackers surrendered to my vehicle crew. Glory. To bad they got slaughtered seconds later. Misery.


Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/16/2009 4:25:01 AM)

Some fierce battles in this campaign. As you can see from the screencap below his 2cm Flak made me pay. I was unable to secure much, if any, of Pointe Du Hoc. This aa gun is part of the reason that I'm having such a hard time getting a foothold on this map.

Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/17/2009 8:36:50 AM)

Rough 1st day.

Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/17/2009 8:37:30 AM)

More Fun!!!

Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/17/2009 8:42:44 AM)

These are the current totals for our battle.
Kosign is slaughtering my tanks, one battle he got 4 tanks with a single gun.

Flint

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FeurerKrieg -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/17/2009 6:46:29 PM)

Hi Flint -

Thanks for posting. Nice to see the progress of some other campaigns out there.



DasHoff -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/17/2009 10:41:30 PM)

man lookin at these AARs, allies are having quite a hard time. in my current h2h, at the end of the 1st day i have pretty much 95% of the map... the beaches were the easiest maps because all the at guns, even when in bunkers, die so easily. i lost probably one tank on the beaches. my team mate isnt bad, but i dont know

one thing i have noticed is that panzerfausts suck bad. even at 10m range they miss, and if they hit they never do any damage. haha



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/18/2009 12:19:37 AM)

I'm having a hell of a time attacking. This being my 1st H2H I feel I'm doing okay, not great but okay. I definatly could be doing alot better.
Everyone else seems to have a much better time with finding the big guns then I do. I almost never see them till after they have killed/crippled one of my tanks.

Great campaign, Kosigan and I are going at a brisk pace and the fighting is intense.

Flint

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kosigan86 -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/18/2009 4:12:19 AM)

The fighting is definitely intense.  I have never been good at attacking in the CC games, but during this campaign I have learned some good lessons.  Our last battle involved my Falschmijagers (sp?) against some heavily fortified paratroopers.  While still suffering rather substantial casualties, I was able to gain some ground and inflict some pretty heavy morale losses on Flint's paratroopers.

I wish I had some screen caps - I'll do better on this in the future...AAR's are fun stuff - but I was able to do some pretty decent distraction while sneaking multiple teams around his flank.  I was surprised how well heavily reinforced assaults do against defense; I notice as long as your leaders are in the thick of the fray with the rest of your men, they advance at a good pace and do a great job at knocking out the enemies' defense (good suppression definitely helps).

Will post my own screencaps as the campaign advances.  We just had some armored units meet one another at Benouville.  I have the majority of the VPs on the map, but I lost an assault gun and more men in the process - no actual tanks lost by either of us so far. 



DasHoff -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/18/2009 5:15:59 AM)

the thing with guns is, as soon as they fire you will spot them, no matter what (unless its night, then u gotta use a flare to see them at a distance). so if you bait them with a tank or some infantry, as soon as they fire you can smoke them then begin to take them out. the best thing to use to take them out is another gun, if theyre in a bunker or a house, but tanks tend to take out guns in houses decently also. otherwise ur gonna have to assault the gun with infantry

also make sure you concentrate your attacks, so you can overwhelm. i usually have a main attacking force, then a secondary force which can come around the flank



FeurerKrieg -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/18/2009 11:43:03 PM)

Beach maps are no joke I'd say. I love having those bunkers to put my AT guns in. You have to wiggle them around a bit to make sure you have some overlapping LOS, but they are pretty much safe from mortars, naval barrages, and (mostly) enemy tanks.

We had one map where 7 tanks were firing on a single 5 cm gun in a bunker. Took nearly five minutes for the AT gun to get smoked. If it had been a bigger gun, i might have taken out all the tanks - who knows!

Day 2 and we are mostly off the beach, so it is tougher now as all I have are regular buildings to use for cover, but then it is just a matter of knowing when to fight and when to let the allies run past you.



FeurerKrieg -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/18/2009 11:45:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DasHoff

man lookin at these AARs, allies are having quite a hard time. in my current h2h, at the end of the 1st day i have pretty much 95% of the map... the beaches were the easiest maps because all the at guns, even when in bunkers, die so easily. i lost probably one tank on the beaches. my team mate isnt bad, but i dont know

one thing i have noticed is that panzerfausts suck bad. even at 10m range they miss, and if they hit they never do any damage. haha



What time limit? We play 20mins for non-beach maps, 15 mins on the beach, playing longer would certainly make it easier for the Allies to advance faster on the strat map.

But if you have 95% of map on day one, either you are one of the best CC players or your oppoenent is indeed not good. I just can't see how you could advance that fast in 15 or 20 mins.



DasHoff -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/19/2009 1:57:38 AM)

30mins, but force morale always breaks before then. perhaps its just a fluke that ive been able to kill the guns so easily



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/19/2009 9:04:34 AM)

Once Kosigan finds a fixxed gun of mine it's dead not long afterwards. I tend to not be so fortunate.

Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/21/2009 1:43:12 AM)

Update!

Flint

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FeurerKrieg -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/21/2009 4:47:24 AM)

Hi Flint - what turn is this shot from?



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/21/2009 10:19:04 AM)

This would be the end of the 5th turn I believe. The night battles cost me pretty bad. Sometimes I love the night battles and sometimes they make me cry.

Flint



panzerlehr62 -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/21/2009 4:46:24 PM)

Hello guys,

Nice too see your AAR. What settings are you guys using (time,other options?).

By looks of your progress as allies you are doing real good. Already a minor victory at just the 25% mark, amazing. How are you setup for the next 3 days with armor? I see you tank losses after one day are running a little high at 41, but that may or may not be a issue depending on were you lost them, since a lot of the BGs have around 10. You look to have pretty much taken out all of jerrys at-guns from the beach maps with 22 kills, that will pretty much make dealing with thous BGs later a lot easier and limit your tank losses considerably down the road.

You definitly are kicking butt in the GJS area compared to what ive been able to do there. Taking Basly, if I see that correct is great, because it offers a good entry point into Caen. You have also gotten Merville, another tuff spot to take.

You've got all your beach maps looking good too. Probably looking to break out into the Omaha sector at this point?

You also have Utah sector under control, I take ready to press on toward Carentan.

Unfortunately I can not get Bob to commit his tanks into battle (as 24 to 7 loss rate shows) as jerry very offen. I can only remember a few times whens hes used them on assault, basically he keeps them back for infanty support, which makes getting to them almost impossible and constanlty stalls any infantry advanaces.

Keep up the posting...

Gz...



kosigan86 -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/22/2009 6:28:35 AM)

I was (and still am in some sense) worrying about how quickly he advanced, but in the past few play sessions I've gotten a few total victories.  I've regained the Merville batteries and one of his groups ran out of gas and I subsequently got a total victory of that division (ran out of gas at night, next morning I pushed him out of Trouarn (sp?)).  Both of us are lost on some of the nuances of the Operational level map/rules and so we're just winging it in a lot of ways.

In general when we both have equal conditions on a map (i.e. meeting maps where we both have to cap as many flags as possible) we do pretty much equal to one another.  I think a lot of his divisions are going to have low cohesion/fuel because of the speed of his advance, and Day 7 is going to have - I hope - a few counter-attacks by my forces to push him back towards the beaches. 

Flint has done well at breaking my morale in a lot of circumstances though. Even if I end up losing the campaign, which seems pretty likely, I'll still have had a great time. Battle to battle we are always biting our nails and being incredibly meticulous with our strategies...sometimes to great success, sometimes to utter failure. More AARs in the future for sure; I think we are both planning on a Wacht am Rein campaign shortly, so head down to that forum in a week or more to check that out :).



panzerlehr62 -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/22/2009 10:37:23 PM)

Thats great, glad you guys are having a lot fun with it, I know overall I really enjoy playing this game a lot.

No question Troarn can leave its mark on the allies, I know that first hand.

We are both winging it also, so I hear you there. Bob is definitly a lot more skilled in the fundamentals (ie logistics) of this type of game play then I am(hes currently in a much more complex game then this[entire pacific war], so his attention to detail is a lot higher then mine). The fact hes does so well with so little amazes me at times. Not knowing at what pace I really need to be going at only adds to my mistakes with such things as fuel management for example.

Not so sure how cohesion really plays into this particular game overall, but I have a feeling by the time our GC is over I will. Ive got one of his BGs cut off(several turns now), it doesnt seem to effect its ability to fight one bit. Maybe after a few more turns that might change( I doubt it though, since he doesnt have to move anything), time will tell I guess. Clearly cover is more of a issue in this game then anything else ive seen to this point. We've both now have lost an entire Bg entering a map that offered limited cover at the entry point.

Way you guys push your armor into battle, I have no doubt you will enjoy WaR.

Keep having fun,

Gz...






DasHoff -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/22/2009 10:58:49 PM)

he will lose an ammo and fuel point every time his unit is in combat, i think max is like 4-5 points of each. so if u can keep him cut off a few more turns, and keep that unit in combat, he will run extremely low on ammo. also his tanks will have a big chance to start immobilized



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/24/2009 4:17:44 AM)

Update!

Flint

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FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/26/2009 9:16:54 AM)

Here are the totals for the campaign. The Germans surrendered finally. It was a bloody mess. I advanced a little bit fast and had some major resupply problems. All in all it was a great time. CC vs human opponents is very exciting and Kosigan is a Super coog guy and is really good at CC to boot.

It's time to get the Battle of the Bulge started. We plan to kick that little party off tomorrow, look for the aar's in thier appropriate places.

Flint

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Q.M -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (8/26/2009 11:19:33 AM)

Nice stuff guys, great read, keep 'em coming!!  Love them AAR's.  The more creative the better I say!



FatFlint -> RE: Kosigan vs. FatFlint (9/9/2009 8:02:09 PM)

Hey look it's the Battle of the Bulge.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2234452&mpage=1&key=&#2234452

Flint



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