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konigsberger -> Armies and Corps in battle, reinforcements and battle limit (8/22/2009 5:03:24 PM)

Hi all!
I'm a beginner and I'd like to pose some question.
1)Which is the battle limit (how many men in total involved)?
2)How can I organize my troops to have well-distributed kinds of unit in a detailed battle?
For instance, I was playing as French and I was in 1805 Campaign with 2 Armies (3 Corps each) near Vienna. Against me 2 Armies of Austria. I entered Vienna with both my Armies, but in the detailed battle only a part of my troops participated (I tjinh it happened to Austrians too)[:D]. I had lot of infantry, lot of cavalry, but absolutely no Artillery[:@]!!!! I had it in my Armies, but they didn't enter tne battle, neither as reinforcements[&:].
Then: a- It's better if I organize Armies in corps with only 1 kind of troops (only Artillery, only Infantry, only Cavalry) to be sure that at least one of each kind will appear in the battle?
b-Or it depends on Generals?
c-Or it's better if I move with 1 Army and I leave the other one as Reinforcement in a neighbour Province and I'll call it as Reinforce during the battle?

Sorry if I've been a bit long, but I'm perplexed about this battle limit!![:(]

Thanks

Konigsberger - Ostpreussisch KriegsArmee[;)]




Mus -> RE: Armies and Corps in battle, reinforcements and battle limit (8/23/2009 3:18:42 AM)

Best way to organize Corps in my opinion is 3-4 divisions of infantry per Corps, 1 of those light or jager or Guards if you have them, 1 artillery, 1 cavalry, normal or if available light or lancers. I also like one of the infantry to have an engineer attachment upgrade but that is for purposes of a siege, although it does have some effect in detailed combat as well IIRC.

If you are France and have the 7 division Corps and the available units, might add another Infantry to that total.

A reserve artillery Corps and a cavalry Corps should be 3-4 artillery for the artillery Corps and 3-4 Cavalry, 1-2 being heavy and 1 horse artillery.

If you have an Army organized in this way it makes it harder to get only guns and cavalry or only cavalry and infantry. You should be able to get a bit of each.

Battle limits I don't know much about sorry.




Harvey Birdman -> RE: Armies and Corps in battle, reinforcements and battle limit (8/27/2009 3:27:47 AM)

quote:

Sorry if I've been a bit long, but I'm perplexed about this battle limit!!

quote:

3.3 Battle Limits
Terrain limits the number of units that can participate in a battle. The basic limit is 22 units per side, both of which modify their limit by:
+1 for defending forces•
+0 to 3 random bonus•
-1 per difficulty level for AI-controlled forces•
-2 for weather in province•
-3 in winter (Nov-Mar)•
-5 if the force crossed a river•
For AI side, +1 per difficulty level above 1•
Plus the worst terrain all the player’s forces crossed while entering the province, including central terrain, modifies this limit by:
-5 for Forest•
-8 for Marsh•
-10 for Mountains•
The limit is never less than 6.
Reinforcements – Units forced out of battle by battle limits become automatic reinforcements; they will enter the battle at a later time, if it lasts long enough. Reinforcement is explained in more detail in the combat sections below.
Additional reinforcements may be called into a battle, in excess of the battle limit, but only by a small amount. Some reinforcements may be denied if their entry onto the battlefield would cause their player’s forces to exceed the battle limit by too large an amount.




Harvey Birdman -> RE: Armies and Corps in battle, reinforcements and battle limit (8/27/2009 3:49:55 AM)


quote:

Best way to organize Corps in my opinion is 3-4 divisions of infantry per Corps, 1 of those light or jager or Guards if you have them, 1 artillery, 1 cavalry, normal or if available light or lancers. I also like one of the infantry to have an engineer attachment upgrade but that is for purposes of a siege, although it does have some effect in detailed combat as well IIRC.

If you are France and have the 7 division Corps and the available units, might add another Infantry to that total.

A reserve artillery Corps and a cavalry Corps should be 3-4 artillery for the artillery Corps and 3-4 Cavalry, 1-2 being heavy and 1 horse artillery.

If you have an Army organized in this way it makes it harder to get only guns and cavalry or only cavalry and infantry. You should be able to get a bit of each.


Sounds good Mus.

My improvements on your army organizational plan:

1. 2 or 3 rifle infantry or infantry with the 3 or 4 arty in the arty corps. The rifle infantry can flank the arty and screen them from enemy cavalry or infantry charges. Ideally you want to employ your arty corps on an enemy flank and generate enough firepower to start breaking the enemy morale asap. Even better is if you sneak your horse art cavalry corps onto rear of the same enemy flank.

2. A second cavalry corps of several irregular cavalry opering independently on the strategic map without the corps container to do nasty stuff in the enemy's rear.




konigsberger -> Thanks (8/27/2009 8:14:19 AM)

Thanks all for your instruction!
And I have in project a scenario for 1809: the beginning of Peninsular War in Spain with the Wagram Campaign in Austria. I have detailed OOB and Organization for France, Great Britain , Spain, Portugal (in British Service), Prussia, Austria. Do u think the armies for Russo-Swedish war of 1808 are good enough to for a Campaign in 1809? And what about Ottoman Empire?

Bye

Konigsberger
Preussische KriegsArmee[;)]




Harvey Birdman -> RE: Thanks (8/27/2009 10:34:50 PM)

quote:

Thanks all for your instruction!
And I have in project a scenario for 1809: the beginning of Peninsular War in Spain with the Wagram Campaign in Austria. I have detailed OOB and Organization for France, Great Britain , Spain, Portugal (in British Service), Prussia, Austria. Do u think the armies for Russo-Swedish war of 1808 are good enough to for a Campaign in 1809? And what about Ottoman Empire.


The russian oob for the russo swedish war may be missing "the army of the danube" guarding the turkish border. So check your russian oob with this one from 1812.

Here's the russian oob for the french invasion of russia 1812.

http://www.napoleon-series.org/

A russian inf corps was stardardized at 2 inf divisions. Could be 2 inf or 2 cossack inf or a mix of both.
The same applies to a russian cav corps. 2 divisions in size and could be a mixture of any cav type.
The arty were held at the army level and diviisonal level. There was no corps arty.

The link won't take you where I want it to take you.

Soooooooooo click on the "Military" link, then "Organization, Strategy & Tactics" link then click on the "Russia" link on the far left side.

Finally click on the "Composition and Strength of the Russian Armies at the Beginning of 1812" link


I couldn't find any oob for turkey on the web. So you could use the 1805 turkish oob.

6 army containers
1 fleet container
17 inf
44 militiaof that total 5 are ungarrisioned. The rest serve as province garrions
1 cav
8 irregular cav
5 arty. 3 of these have the antique attribute, that makes them crappy.
3 1st rates
10 3rd rates
7 frigates
1 merchant





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