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ijontichy -> French losses in the Russian campaign (9/5/2009 2:17:44 PM)

This is a really cool graphic, and a superb example of data visualisation (or the visual representation of information), a subject that should be studied intensely by computer wargame developers:

[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Minard.png/800px-Minard.png[/image]

Click the image to see a higher resolution version, and click here to see the English translation of the French text.



SlickWilhelm -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/5/2009 10:59:57 PM)

Indeed, that campaign should go down in history as the world's biggest military disaster. By pure chance I selected a book about Napoleon's Russian campaign as my introduction to the Napoleonic Wars. What a fascinating read that was!

Adam Zamoyski: Moscow 1812: Naploeon's Fatal March  http://www.amazon.com/Moscow-1812-Napoleons-Fatal-March/dp/006108686X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252187947&sr=1-2 



Rysyonok -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/5/2009 11:38:57 PM)

This is an amazing picture. Thank you :)



sol_invictus -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/5/2009 11:54:38 PM)

I have always found Napoleon's Russian Campaign haunting. I can't imagine how anyone could survive what must have been an absolute nightmare. The Stalingrad Campaign is the only other major military disaster that creates such a vivid picture of suffering on such a huge scale in my mind.



ijontichy -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/6/2009 1:32:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm

Adam Zamoyski: Moscow 1812: Naploeon's Fatal March


Thanks for the recommendation, just ordered it from Amazon. Good reading for my upcoming holiday. [8D]



06 Maestro -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/6/2009 4:13:07 AM)

Sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words...



comte -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/8/2009 9:32:32 AM)

Yes the Adam Zamoyski book is an excellent read, gives you some of the gross details about eating frozen horse meat. I did enjoy it though Chandlers campaigns of Napoleon also has a good section on the campaign. One thing I did like about the Zamoyski book was how he told some stories of veterans that survived the whole campaign with barely a scratch and then you had guys that had severe frostbite and other problems.



Arsan -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/12/2009 12:38:15 AM)

Great book! and cool graphic! 



V22 Osprey -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/12/2009 5:32:30 AM)

Why is it that on some countries they have natural barriers from invasion?The Winter has protected Russia how many times?Germans have the Rhine, and the Japanese have the Typhoon.Not only did a typhoon nock out that Mongol invasion on Japan, when the Allies in WWII were planning an invasion of Japan, the day the invasion was planned to take place there was a typhoon.[X(]



comte -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/12/2009 7:57:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

Why is it that on some countries they have natural barriers from invasion?The Winter has protected Russia how many times?Germans have the Rhine, and the Japanese have the Typhoon.Not only did a typhoon nock out that Mongol invasion on Japan, when the Allies in WWII were planning an invasion of Japan, the day the invasion was planned to take place there was a typhoon.[X(]


Well another thing about Russia is the poor infrastructure and just the vast distances involved. And of Course the Pacific is a massive place to move logistics across just playing AE gives ya a feel for that [:D]



jackx -> RE: French losses in the Russian campaign (9/12/2009 9:01:58 AM)

Without a policy of scorched earth, neither the winter nor the distances would've been as devastating as they were. Sufficiently ruthless political leadership was required to take full advantage of that.

The Rhine's also less of an obstacle than one thinks, mostly due to a lack of a single Germany, which means that an unopposed crossing was usually possible somewhere. By the time it could've served as a national defensive obstacle, well, the attack never got there, or by the time it did, all that could be hoped for was to delay defeat a bit further. Quite unlike Russia, where winter/distance usually serve as turning points.
For rivers as effective obstacles to invasion/military campaigns, I'd go with the low countries throughout the entire early modern period...



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