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moose1999 -> Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 9:11:21 PM)

I've got the Australia Star (xAP) sitting lame in the water 3 hexes from Cooktown after a lucky torpedo shot.
She's carrying my priceless 1st US Amphib HQ.
She's got a speed of 0 and she didn't move this turn.
Her floatation damage is at 95.
I know she's done for, the poor girl, but I need to save the Amphib HQ.
I managed to get an ASW patrol of 4 SCs to her last turn and the xAP Neptuna will merge with the TF this coming night.

I don't know of any way to transfer troops between transports while at sea, and I know towing is not implemented.
So is there anything I can do other than pray...?
All my plans for the SW Pacific (including an imminent counter-invasion of Port Moresby) will suffer greatly if the Star takes my Amphib HQ with her to the bottom...



oldman45 -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 9:15:08 PM)

When it sinks, you should be able to pick up somebody which just may allow you to reconstruct the HQ. I know a lot of maybes and shoulds.



stuman -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 9:19:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: oldman45

When it sinks, you should be able to pick up somebody which just may allow you to reconstruct the HQ. I know a lot of maybes and shoulds.


I have had something similar happen. I recovered a fair number of survivors since I had used several ships to spread out the load, and had several escort vessels. Do you have any more ships you can add to the TF asap ?



DrewMatrix -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 9:37:38 PM)

This advice is a little late for 1st Amphib but I always load units on at least two ships (except Air Groups for which this isn't possible) so a lucky shot doesn't take out the entire unit. That can be a little inefficient but the ship will either fill up with supplies which you may be able to use, or if going from one small port to another (where you dont' have a lot of supplies to load) it will speed loading, (I think)



Chickenboy -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 9:46:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: briny_norman

I've got the Australia Star (xAP) sitting lame in the water 3 hexes from Cooktown after a lucky torpedo shot.
She's carrying my priceless 1st US Amphib HQ.
She's got a speed of 0 and she didn't move this turn.
Her floatation damage is at 95.
I know she's done for, the poor girl, but I need to save the Amphib HQ.
I managed to get an ASW patrol of 4 SCs to her last turn and the xAP Neptuna will merge with the TF this coming night.

I don't know of any way to transfer troops between transports while at sea, and I know towing is not implemented.
So is there anything I can do other than pray...?
All my plans for the SW Pacific (including an imminent counter-invasion of Port Moresby) will suffer greatly if the Star takes my Amphib HQ with her to the bottom...

I'd:

1. Switch her over to Escort TF function and send her to the nearest port-she should move SOME every turn. Auto disband in port may help upon arrival.
2. Merge a number of other escort vessels into her TF to pick up (pending) survivors of the sinking. I don't know if SCs will be sufficient. Do you have any DDs or CLs nearby?
3. Get the balance of the escort to port ASAP.

Honestly, I'm not sure what happens then or what the load parameters are on DDs picking up survivors, which they did IRL with aplomb.

Good luck!



Mynok -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/15/2009 10:37:11 PM)


This game is quite good at teaching you what not to do the hard way. [:D]



patrickl -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 12:10:05 AM)

It is a no-no to have a single ship carry a unit. I have at least 5 ships of various speed.



bilbow -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 1:16:49 AM)

Other ships in the TF will pick up some squads from the water, but I think they go back to the pool not to creating a fragment of the lost unit. So I think the HQ is gone. I actually read the manual!

However many HQ units respawn. Check the reinforcement track a turn or 2 after the sinking. It might be there.



jomni -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 2:18:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bilbow

Other ships in the TF will pick up some squads from the water, but I think they go back to the pool not to creating a fragment of the lost unit. So I think the HQ is gone. I actually read the manual!

However many HQ units respawn. Check the reinforcement track a turn or 2 after the sinking. It might be there.



When one of my transports sank the surviors were picked up by a destroyer in the same TF and still kept their unit designation.



moose1999 -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 8:13:03 AM)

Thanks for all the good advice.
The Australia Star is now one hex closer to Cooktown in an Escort TF with a couple of cruisers and 6 DDs joining the party this night.
Floatition damage is still 95, so she's holding together.
Just two more hexes...

And I'll never go the 1-ship-1-unit road again. [:-]
Stupid, lazy mistake.
And there was another oversight.
I had loaded the Amph HQ into the xAP to merge it with an invasion TF, but set it to follow the invasion TF instead.
I thought the escorts of the big TF would protect her, but they obviously didn't, as the Japanese sub got to her - by attacking on the surface!
Well, you live to learn. And I just got smarter [:)].



skrewball -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 8:50:18 AM)

Keep us advised on what happens! You have a true "titanic-esk" story there! Lol



jrcar -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 8:52:51 AM)

If lost HQ units respawn after 30 days (don't ask how I know this...). But other units don't (except for Chinese).

Cheers

Rob



zzodr -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 9:38:37 AM)


[image]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3964/australiastar.jpg[/image]

She'll make it Cap'n!




moose1999 -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 10:25:14 AM)

One more turn, one hex closer to Cooktown and one more to go.
The Australian Star is not giving up...!

But, alas, temporary floatation devices failed during the night and her floatation damage rose to 99.
Things are not looking good.
Still, only one more hex to go - she just might make it.

And she's got an impressive following now.
Apart from the contingent of crusiers and DDs, she now has the AP William Ward Burrows and the xAP President Filmore at her side, watching over her, as well as Neptune and 3 xAKs.
If she goes under, there should be a good chance of saving the Amph HQ.

But no talk of failure now - she's gonna make it.
She's got a difficult night ahead of her, that's for sure, but she'll pull through.
I'm sure of it.
Just one more hex...




m10bob -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 11:50:46 AM)

As a troop carrying ship sinks, you will see a message that "x survivors rescued."..From that nucleus, the unit can rebuild....



John Lansford -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 11:54:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jomni


quote:

ORIGINAL: bilbow

Other ships in the TF will pick up some squads from the water, but I think they go back to the pool not to creating a fragment of the lost unit. So I think the HQ is gone. I actually read the manual!

However many HQ units respawn. Check the reinforcement track a turn or 2 after the sinking. It might be there.



I evacuated ABDA HQ out of Batavia on 3 xAK's, destined for Darwin. They were hit by a CV TF south of Tjilitjap and two were sunk, with the third badly damaged. I managed to get the damaged ship into Tjilitjap before it sank, and the ABDA remnant appeared at the base. I already had part of the HQ at Darwin from a previous TF, and when I sneaked an AK to Tjilitjap and evacuated the remnant they recombined just fine at Darwin.

When one of my transports sank the surviors were picked up by a destroyer in the same TF and still kept their unit designation.




FOW -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 1:14:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: briny_norman

All my plans for the SW Pacific (including an imminent counter-invasion of Port Moresby) will suffer greatly if the Star takes my Amphib HQ with her to the bottom...


Is that an Amphib CORPS HQ or a Amphib FORCE HQ ???



pad152 -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 4:41:01 PM)

Always use 2 more ships to carry a LCU, this way if one is sunk you won't lose the whole LCU!

I only wish we could do this when transporting air groups!




JohnDillworth -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 5:16:23 PM)

Radio Cooktown to the Australian Star can you read me?...............
Australian Star?

Please respond, Australian Star?!
[:D][:D][:D]



Schani -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 5:19:47 PM)

I happened to be reading the manual last night. I came up to the section 8.4.3 I think around page 196. It addresses the picking up of survivors by using fast transport cabable ships.
I think your going to okay.



sfbaytf -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 5:29:47 PM)

I almost had the same thing happen with a naval base support unit that not only had air support, but 100 points of naval base support. That would have been a huge loss.



Q-Ball -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 5:34:49 PM)

Wow! Two great lessons in one incident!

*Always escort a ship that you don't want a sub to hit (mistake #1)

*Never put a LCU all on one ship (mistake #2)

This is also why I will almost NEVER transport planes via ship if I can avoid it; too much risk of losing the whole unit



sfbaytf -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 5:41:00 PM)

I had to throw a couple of sacrificial lambs to the wolves to save that naval base support unit. Needless to say those lambs were slaughtered.

Sometimes you don't have enough ships in the right time and place to do what you want when you want and you take a risk and cut corners to get things done.

Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Thats what makes this game so damm fun and addicting.



Macca -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/16/2009 7:12:58 PM)

How is she doing?;)



Knavey -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 12:11:21 AM)

All the world wonders....



oldman45 -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 12:13:04 AM)

Well we just have to know if the old girl made it into port.........



Mistmatz -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 12:19:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Wow! Two great lessons in one incident!

*Always escort a ship that you don't want a sub to hit (mistake #1)

*Never put a LCU all on one ship (mistake #2)

This is also why I will almost NEVER transport planes via ship if I can avoid it; too much risk of losing the whole unit




At least air groups form again after some delay.

I usually put the minimum two ships that transport a unit into different convoys. As a big airstrike or running into a surface combat group still means serious risk for a LCU.




seydlitz_slith -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 1:44:40 AM)

She will sink before she makes it. I have had several ships in stock sink one hex out almost as if to taunt me for trying to save them and daring to hope that they would make it. The cruel sea always wins in the end.



kaleun -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 1:59:29 AM)

The cruel sea.....
That was a great movie.[8|]
Nothing beats old B&W war movies[8|]



Zacktar -> RE: Save the Australia Star! (or "Cooktown, we have a problem...") (9/17/2009 2:22:42 AM)

"But to stand and be still to the Australia Star drill is a damn tough bullet to chew" . . . [;)]



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