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Knavey -> Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 5:29:34 AM)
Legit game vs. AI (disclaimer for those in the know!)...just messing around trying to stop Tarawa invasion with the only thing close at the beginning of the war. Tried it on 12/9 and got these results Day Time Surface Combat, near Tarawa at 136,128, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Santos Maru xAKL Toyotsu Maru xAK Aratama Maru xAKL Katsura Maru xAKL Kaito Maru xAKL Tenposan Maru Allied Ships CA Pensacola Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 30,000 yards... Allied TF attempts to evade combat... (UMMM-You are a CRUISER vs. a bunch of rusty troops transports!) Range increases to 30,000 yards...... Range increases to 30,000 yards...... Both Task Forces evade combat... So I sent her back the next night with these results! Night Time Surface Combat, near Makin at 136,125, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CM Tokiwa CM Okinoshima DD Asanagi DD Yunagi PB Nagata Maru xAK Tenyo Maru xAK Kamikaze Maru Allied Ships CA Pensacola Reduced sighting due to 57% moonlight... Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 57% moonlight: 12,000 yards... Range closes to 10,000 yards...... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards... Japanese ships attempt to get underway... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 10,000 yards... Both TF attempt to withdraw!...(UMMMMM! YOU ARE A CRUISER VS. ANCHORED TROOP TRANSPORTS!!!!!) Range increases to 12,000 yards...... Range increases to 12,000 yards...... Both Task Forces evade combat... And then, the valor of the Allied fleets finally comes out even if it is thousands of miles away from the cowardly CA! Night Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 82,82, Range 2,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Busho Maru PB Keiko Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk xAK Kizan Maru xAKL Kofuku Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire xAK Konan Maru xAKL Nanko Maru xAK Minryo Maru xAK Shozan Maru xAKL Turusima Maru xAKL Tainichi Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires xAK Tofuku Maru xAK Tosei Maru xAKL Nichiryo Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Fukkai Maru xAKL Totai Maru xAKL Bichu Maru xAKL Ryuto Maru xAP Rakuyo Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAP Horai Maru xAP Takatiho Maru Allied Ships DD Thracian Japanese ground losses: 54 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 10 (6 destroyed, 4 disabled) Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight... Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 28% moonlight: 3,000 yards... Range closes to 10,000 yards...... Range closes to 8,000 yards...... Range closes to 6,000 yards...... Range closes to 4,000 yards...... Range closes to 2,000 yards...... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards... Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian launches Torpedoes at PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAP Rakuyo Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... xAP Takatiho Maru , xAP Horai Maru , xAP Rakuyo Maru , ... xAK Tosei Maru , xAK Tofuku Maru screened from combat... - escorted by PB Keiko Maru... DD Thracian engages xAKL Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAP Rakuyo Maru at 2,000 yards... DD Thracian engages PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Nichiryo Maru at 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... PB Keiko Maru sunk by DD Thracian at 2,000 yards... Powers, A.L. orders Allied TF to disengage... Range increases to 3,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Tainichi Maru at 3,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Kofuku Maru at 3,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Tainichi Maru at 8,000 yards... DD Thracian engages xAKL Tainichi Maru at 8,000 yards... Task forces break off......

TOMLABEL -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 5:40:33 AM)
Same EXACT thing happened to me!!!![:@][:@][:@][;)] (pretending I'm not in 'the know').

loricas -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 7:32:52 AM)
check commander

wild_Willie2 -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 7:52:48 AM)
And Pensacola's ammo...

goodboyladdie -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 10:38:39 AM)
I have noticed similar instances since I last patched. Each time I have found an Ensign in command!

Cribtop -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 10:53:53 AM)
I had the same thing happen with an IJN VADM in command. Were there multiple task forces present at Tarawa? That seems to cause this behavior. I would send the devs a save on this.

SuluSea -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 11:54:18 AM)
The Portland's CO will get some however. [;)]

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 12:25:12 PM)
Seems to be a decent commander...good stats from what I can see. Full ammo loadout. Just ran the turn again with some changes in the way I had the Pensacolas orders setup. Made her homeport Tarawa with a react of 6. Same results. [image]local://upfiles/7595/34178AC7B54149B7810EAF34BD295356.jpg[/image]

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 12:26:54 PM)
It does look like multiple TFs for the IJN since there are different ships on the combat results from the different days.

goodboyladdie -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 12:43:02 PM)
If the leader is good, I do not understand why she avoided battle. A bit worrying, as I can't remember seeing this behaviour before they "fixed" PTs. Perhaps there is some fall-out in the surface combat code?

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 2:18:29 PM)
Got the save if anyone wants to play with it.

Yakface -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 3:21:31 PM)
Your problem was that you were asking the Pensacola to engage multiple transports. I can't get whole TF's of BB's and CA's to engage single transports: Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Haruna CA Takao CA Atago CL Jintsu DD Asashio DD Oshio DD Michishio DD Arashio DD Akatsuki Allied Ships xAKL Corregidor Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 28% moonlight: 9,000 yards Range increases to 12,000 yards... Range increases to 12,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat

SuluSea -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 3:30:14 PM)
I have the same event but mine was in 57% moonlight- I mentioned Portland off memory because it was a few turns ago but now see it was the Louisville's skipper [:)]. Heres the AAR for both vessels on the same turn at Makin----> Louisville Tarawa---->Pensacola Night Time Surface Combat, near Makin at 136,125, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships �� CM Tokiwa, Shell hits 4,� on fire �� CM Okinoshima, Shell hits 2,� on fire �� DD Asanagi, Shell hits 1,� heavy fires �� DD Yunagi, Shell hits 8, and is sunk �� PB Nagata Maru, Shell hits 1 �� xAK Tenyo Maru, Shell hits 3 �� xAK Kamikaze Maru, Shell hits 2 Allied Ships �� CA Louisville, Shell hits ---(some)[;)] quote: Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!... Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway... Reduced sighting due to 57% moonlight... Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 12,000 yards... Range closes to 10,000 yards...... Range closes to 8,000 yards...... Range closes to 6,000 yards...... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards... DD Yunagi engages CA Louisville at 6,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... CA Louisville engages DD Yunagi at 4,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Tokiwa at 4,000 yards... CA Louisville engages xAK Tenyo Maru at 4,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... DD Yunagi sunk by CA Louisville at 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Tokiwa at 3,000 yards... DD Asanagi engages CA Louisville at 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Okinoshima at 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages xAK Kamikaze Maru at 3,000 yards... Range increases to 4,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Okinoshima at 4,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages DD Asanagi at 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Tokiwa at 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Okinoshima at 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Okinoshima at 2,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Tokiwa at 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... CA Louisville engages DD Asanagi at 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... CA Louisville engages DD Asanagi at 2,000 yards... Range increases to 3,000 yards... Range increases to 4,000 yards... CA Louisville engages DD Asanagi at 4,000 yards... Range increases to 6,000 yards... CM Okinoshima� screened from combat... CA Louisville engages DD Asanagi at 6,000 yards... CA Louisville engages CM Tokiwa at 6,000 yards... CM Okinoshima� screened from combat... CA Louisville engages xAK Tenyo Maru at 6,000 yards... CM Okinoshima ,� CM Tokiwa� screened from combat... - escorted by DD Asanagi... CA Louisville engages PB Nagata Maru at 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... CM Okinoshima ,� CM Tokiwa� screened from combat... - escorted by DD Asanagi... CA Louisville engages PB Nagata Maru at 8,000 yards... CA Louisville engages xAK Kamikaze Maru at 8,000 yards... Range increases to 9,000 yards... CM Okinoshima ,� CM Tokiwa ,� xAK Kamikaze Maru� screened from combat... - escorted by DD Asanagi... CA Louisville engages xAK Tenyo Maru at 9,000 yards... Rice P. orders Allied TF to disengage... Rice P. orders Allied TF to disengage... Task forces break off...... quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Tarawa at 136,128, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships �� PB Santos Maru �� xAKL Toyotsu Maru �� xAK Aratama Maru �� xAKL Katsura Maru �� xAKL Kaito Maru �� xAKL Tenposan Maru Allied Ships �� CA Pensacola Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!... Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway... Reduced sighting due to 57% moonlight... Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards... Range closes to 11,000 yards...... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards... Both TF attempt to withdraw!... Range increases to 12,000 yards...... Range increases to 12,000 yards...... Both Task Forces evade combat... I hope the crew of the Pensacola doesn't start singing "Ol' yellowstain." [:D]

JVSFugitive -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 4:56:19 PM)
Could it be that, given the spotting ranges are very long and at or near the maximum visibility given the conditions, that the lookouts failed to identify the Japanese ships as merchants and assumed they were more potent vessels? I noticed that the spotting range from the first engagement was 30,000 yards (max visibility 30,000 yards). The second engagement was at night with spotting occurring at 10,000 yards (max visibility 12,000 yards). The third engagement at which combat does occur is at 2,000 yards, no mistaking ship types.

RevRick -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 5:07:30 PM)
Hmmm. Makes me glad to have this guy in command..... Night Time Surface Combat, near Talaud Island at 84,96, Range 1,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Chokai CA Suzuya, Shell hits 3 DD Mutsuki, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Mikazuki, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships DD Case Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight... Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 0% moonlight: 3,000 yards... Range closes to 6,000 yards...... Range closes to 1,000 yards...... Bedilion, R. crosses the 'T'... DD Mutsuki sunk by DD Case at 1,000 yards... Range increases to 2,000 yards... DD Case engages CA Suzuya at 2,000 yards... Bedilion, R. orders Allied TF to disengage... Range increases to 6,000 yards... CA Suzuya engages DD Case at 6,000 yards... Range increases to 8,000 yards... DD Case engages CA Suzuya at 8,000 yards... CA Chokai engages DD Case at 8,000 yards... DD Mikazuki engages DD Case at 8,000 yards... Task forces break off...... Sounds like it's time to promote this guy, and get him in line for at least a cruiser!!!

Richard III -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 5:40:46 PM)
Send her in with " Bombardment " orders and see what happens ?

John Lansford -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 8:21:23 PM)
I've got Pensacola working with some Aussie and RN ships out of Darwin and in a TF she's doing just fine. I didn't have her intercept the Tarawa landings but did send Louisville to visit the Makin invasion. Portland and two DD's also raided the Wake invasion and found herself in a messy fight with about 30 different ships. Even merchant ships get a hit or two if there's enough of them...

JWE -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 9:05:45 PM)
Don't ya'll dare to be messin with my USS Pensacola. I'm an old Gulf Coast boy and since we couldn't have a USS Tampa, I adopted the Pensacola as the next best thing. I even put a pixel dot of me on the icon. Ya'll be dissin my baby and I might get upset. I might get upset enuf to turn her into a super Boise with Halsey as the skipper. And speakin of Boise, what the heck? Boise??? Boise is in frikkin Idaho!!! Oh yeah, right!! A ship named for potatoes is gonna do the deed, while Pensacola shows the yellow stain?? Not in my lifetime.

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 9:13:57 PM)
That was a yellow flag if I ever saw one in a set of combat reports!

SuluSea -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 9:19:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWE Don't ya'll dare to be messin with my USS Pensacola. I'm an old Gulf Coast boy and since we couldn't have a USS Tampa, I adopted the Pensacola as the next best thing. I even put a pixel dot of me on the icon. Ya'll be dissin my baby and I might get upset. I might get upset enuf to turn her into a super Boise with Halsey as the skipper. And speakin of Boise, what the heck? Boise??? Boise is in frikkin Idaho!!! Oh yeah, right!! A ship named for potatoes is gonna do the deed, while Pensacola shows the yellow stain?? Not in my lifetime. [:D][:'(] [;)] Sorry John.

Cribtop -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 9:23:33 PM)
In my case, I had Yamato, Mutsu, 5 CA, 4CL, and at least 6 DD engage four enemy amphib TFs at Lunga. Mikawa was in command (not the best, but not the worst, either). The Allied TFs were escorted by a few DDs and 1 CL that an IJN sub had torpedoed already. The preponderance of metal in the hex dramatically favored the IJN. I tried setting Lunga as homeport and played around with reaction distances. Routing was Direct and threat tolerance was Absolute. Nothing worked, both TFs sought to disengage in at least 5 re-plays of the turn. I didn't try bombardment, but assumed a bombardment TF encountering hostiles would be more likely to disengage, not less. I believe this is a bug involving multiple TFs in the hex. I urge you to send in a save. PS Two days later, when 3 Allied TFs had withdrawn and only one was still unloading, Tanaka engaged them with the 4 Kongo class BBs and assorted cruisers and sank all five enemy vessels. Yes, Tanaka is more aggressive, but I believe the reason he engaged and Mikawa sought to flee has to do with the multiple enemy TFs in the hex at the time.

JWE -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 9:48:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey That was a yellow flag if I ever saw one in a set of combat reports! Dude, I was only joking (hopefully obviously). I see you are from Tampa, but are ready to put the yellow flag on my beloved Pensacola. Sigh .. I am depressed .. you must have gone to Hillsborough, or Jefferson, or maybe Leto. Florida does not wave the yellow flag. Small, but staunch and forthright, she follows in the footsteps of Perry, Smith and Flagler.

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 10:16:11 PM)
Lol JWE, You got it...was a Dragon. Feinder was one also. Seeing as you named those and not some of the more recent schools, you probably were Plant (1st guess since those are big Plant rivals), Chamberlin, Gaither or Robinson and will throw King in there for good measure. I actually like the Pensacola area, great diving up there. Want to get up there and do the Oriskany but just can never get that worked out.

JWE -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 10:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey Lol JWE, You got it...was a Dragon. Feinder was one also. Seeing as you named those and not some of the more recent schools, you probably were Plant (1st guess since those are big Plant rivals), Chamberlin, Gaither or Robinson and will throw King in there for good measure. I actually like the Pensacola area, great diving up there. Want to get up there and do the Oriskany but just can never get that worked out. Bless you, my son, and Feinder too. It was back in the early 60's, and I was such a pissant my parents sent me off to the Bolles School (a private military and penal school) in Jacksonville. But lived in Palma Ciea, on Sunset Drive, off Howard, by the golf course, so I guess I'm a Plant Panther. All my buds went to Plant and so did all my sweeties. Had some friends from Robinson. Damn ... it's been so long since I heard of the Dragons ... Jefferson?? God, these threads are great! Happy days, Knavey!

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 10:50:39 PM)
We were one block north of Kennedy (North A St) between Armenia and MacDill so you were a little farther south than us. What about Jr. High? Wilson was where we both went. Fuzzy on where all the Jr. High schools were though.

JWE -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 11:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey We were one block north of Kennedy (North A St) between Armenia and MacDill so you were a little farther south than us. What about Jr. High? Wilson was where we both went. Fuzzy on where all the Jr. High schools were though. Went to Grady Elementary, and Wilson Jr. High (Bulldogs!). Back when, at Wilson, Coach Sherill was athletic director, and Coach Stokes was football coach. That would have been .. shoot .. what, '63, '64? Yeah, I'm just a Palma Ciea puke.

jcjordan -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 11:12:25 PM)
Could it also be due to low night exp of the ship? 35 is almost incompetant in game ratings from my experiences.

Knavey -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/23/2009 11:25:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JWE quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey We were one block north of Kennedy (North A St) between Armenia and MacDill so you were a little farther south than us. What about Jr. High? Wilson was where we both went. Fuzzy on where all the Jr. High schools were though. Went to Grady Elementary, and Wilson Jr. High (Bulldogs!). Back when, at Wilson, Coach Sherill was athletic director, and Coach Stokes was football coach. That would have been .. shoot .. what, '63, '64? Yeah, I'm just a Palma Ciea puke. Little before my time...I would have been there in 82-84 and Steve (Feinder) was a couple of years behind me. Don't recognize those names...Figarotta and Harrison were the coaches at Wilson when I was there. Mitchell was where we went to elementary school. Isn't it funny how you can remember stuff like that!

Jmsimer -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/24/2009 12:24:44 AM)
You had an IJN VADM in command of Pensacola? How'd you do that? [:D]

bbbf -> RE: Pensacola - the cowardly cruiser! (9/24/2009 12:48:08 AM)
My one and only engagement using Pensacola was a doozy. She went down, but she probably took 2 Jap heavy cruisers and a destroyer with her. Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 98,130, Range 24,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Aoba, Shell hits 2, heavy fires CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1 CA Furutaka CA Kako, Shell hits 4, heavy fires DD Oboro DD Uzuki DD Kikuzuki DD Yuzuki, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships CA Pensacola, Shell hits 15, heavy fires

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