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17russia -> RE: Russia much tougher in 1.60? (10/31/2009 6:07:32 PM)

Anraz;

I do agree that Russia is much tougher in 1.60. Still though; I can play the Germans on hard (1939), axis allies set to very hard (AI), Italy left at normal, set Britian & USA to easy and Russia, France, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands & Norway to Very Easy... and still Germany is in Stalingrad and the oil production centers of the south by July of 1942. I usually stop at this point.

Will there be other IA enhancements coming for Russia?

I have always considered the Eastern Front as the real arena for WWII and that Germany lost WWII at 5am on June 22 1941.



Anraz -> RE: Russia much tougher in 1.60? (10/31/2009 11:32:18 PM)

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Will there be other IA enhancements coming for Russia?


Yes.



Tomokatu -> RE: Russia much tougher in 1.60? (11/1/2009 3:40:23 AM)

Heh! Order your fur coats now, gentlemen - it's gonna be a LOOOOONG campaign!![sm=sterb020.gif]



17russia -> RE: Russia much tougher in 1.60? (11/1/2009 11:48:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willgamer

Update 2 months later 1-July-1941 (normal difficulty)...

Russia gone wild! From the numbers, I think I must have stumbled into China! [:D]

Here's the side by side comparison of the forces just 2 months after the invasion:

Unit type/#German/#Russian
Inf. Div. 34/146
Inf. Cor. 39/90
Mch. Div. 0/25
Mch. Cor. 20/7
Arm. Div. 0/51
Arm. Cor. 12/3
Fighter 10/10
Tac. B. 12/10
Srt. B 0/2

Total Unit Strength: 621/931 [X(]

Production: 441/444, Upkeep: 185/45 (~+140 Russian edge in net production)

Russian war economy: 167% [X(][X(][X(] (Are you kidding me.... result of war with Finland?)

Land/air unit research: level 3/level 2

Add to this 20% (higher to the north, lower to the south) cloud cover in July (=mud).

The Russian lines are 3 deep around cities.

Given that it often takes multiple attacks at 6 or 7-1 to actually kill a unit, the Germans can't even eliminate what Russia can produce each turn.

I'm definitely not one of the experts here, but something doesn't feel right! [&:]



Sometimes you have to make a choice. The real way to hurt the USSR is in the south. Pile your Panzer Corps there and keep in mind that a level 2 Moto Coprs is like 90 something PPS, so buy a lot of them. Hit the South with 7+ Panzer Corps & 8+ Moto Corps, leave the Inf & a few panzer corps for the center & north. Up rate all of the Moto & Panzer units to corps level. Not a lot of Inf will be needed in the south because all they will be doing is walking 2 turns+ behind the mobil units (you can buy them as you take cities in the south to SMP them to like Keiv. Shave off the Southern approach to prevent Romanians or others from claiming points. Pound into the Factory areas South of Keiv without mercy and hunt any Russian armor unit with Air if need be to kill every one you can. The points will begin to show in the German PP soon enough. Then build Inf Corps to hold the South as you pull back many of the panzer & Moto Corps for winter refit just behind the line. In 1942 go for operations in the South and the oil. This time think like an unrelenting Nazi and take all at all costs even if it means damaging you Air & Panzers to hell. The points will make up for it. In the North... who cares those are just VP cities for the most part. PP are what you need now.



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