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Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 9:55:02 AM)

I already moved all Japanese units from Indochina. That's sort of the point, no?



Dili -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 10:57:54 AM)

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Well, the three coastal forts already in Indochina (Cam Rahn, Cap St. Jacques and Haiphong) have mysteriously changed ownership and nationality.


What this means then?



Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 11:16:35 AM)

Well, if you check the three coastal forts in question, you'll see that (unsurprisingly) they use French weapons. I just changed the nationality of them from Japanese to French, to go with all the Indochinese bases being French. No reason to rebuild them from scratch.



Dili -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 11:55:22 AM)

Okay, there was a misunderstanding since i interpreted you would be put them under Japanese.



Terminus -> More "French Treats"... (9/29/2009 4:29:45 PM)

Those French people and their external torpedo tubes. Very peculiar:

[image]local://upfiles/16369/A74DF0E6FE4946AEA9951B73F21EEE6B.jpg[/image]



Dili -> RE: More "French Treats"... (9/29/2009 5:32:54 PM)

When i researched french submarines i tought they were really external like in some midgets. But no they were rotating torpedo launchers over external hull in some or a tube under a carenage at rear. They were a failure, the rotating ones were noisy and not very reliable . I have seen references that one of the reason is that french couldn't set spread angles in their torpedos.

Edit: i have checked my data and there are 2 reloads torpedos in bow. It is also doubtful the 37mm Gun(no photo or drawing evidence.)



Terminus -> RE: More "French Treats"... (9/29/2009 5:39:45 PM)

Yep. The Redoutable was constructed with a quadruple external mount, coupling two 55cm and two 40cm tubes together. Very weird.



Dili -> RE: More "French Treats"... (9/29/2009 6:10:10 PM)

The center torpedos are also external.

Check the number 7.

[image]local://upfiles/14017/68E79E9B458046DF8C1E3BC8ECB15E3E.jpg[/image]



chacal83000 -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 7:56:03 PM)

Haa, the Duquesne.... A lot of good moments for me as I was servicing on the later 6000 t Missile Frigate Duquesne until it was decomissioned in 2007 (after 37 years of service...) On board we had a lot of photos of the olds Duquesnes, particularly the one you presented, even a reducted model of it.

In any case i'll follow your fantastic work with attention !
Thanks !

Ludwik


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Here's something else. I like doing ships more than anything when it comes to AE, so here's the French heavy cruiser Duquesne. She was France's first treaty cruiser, and had the delightfully airy armour scheme you see below (430 tons of protection on 10,000 tons of ship[sm=dizzy.gif]):

[image]local://upfiles/16369/5B23964E75B948C79BC2CEE198F66347.jpg[/image]




Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 8:42:17 PM)

My work isn't "fantastic" in any way. I'm just a guy with some books and waaaay too much time on his hands...

There'll be some planes next.



chacal83000 -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 9:02:05 PM)

If you dont' find your work fantastic, ok, but let me find it so !
For now i don't own WitP:AE but can you explain a bit your future mod, how will it marry with the game, some sort of early scenario ? (If i remember clearly WiTP can't began before 1/12/41, what about WitP:AE ?

In any case, if you need a translation of french, just ask, no pb.





Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 9:17:21 PM)

It'll start on December 7 as normal, but Indochina will be fully French. While Metropolitan France was occupied by Germany in 1940, there was no armistice and no Vichy, and France continues to fight from her colonies in Africa, the Americas and Asia.



chacal83000 -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 9:28:16 PM)

:) That may be fun as there is a lot litlle toys to play with.... What part of the "Royale" will be directed to Indochine ? I suppose most will stay in mediteranee to maybe fight the italians or will join UK or even US ports.
The Bearn will probably not make any apperance ? [&o]








Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 9:41:40 PM)

I haven't decided 100% yet. The way I see it, the French fleet will have obligations in both the Med and the Atlantic. There'll be plenty for them to do in either theatre, so Indochina will at least initially get short-changed.

However, the French naval force in Indochina (Commandement Navale d'Indochine, if I didn't mangle that too badly) will initially consist of a few heavy cruisers (including the Duquesne), accompanied by a couple of light cruisers (the Duguay Trouin class is already in the game), some destroyers (the Mogador will be there) and submarines (Redoutable class).

There's also the French South Pacific units to fill out, which might include the Commandant Teste for one.



Terminus -> French Aircraft (9/29/2009 10:00:07 PM)

To round out tonight's showing, here's some airplanes. I'm not good at planeside art, so take it for what it is.

[image]local://upfiles/16369/427E17E57BA4400DAD3485DC9D93C182.jpg[/image]



Terminus -> RE: French Aircraft (9/29/2009 10:00:36 PM)

And...

[image]local://upfiles/16369/1A33DDFB84994E388749AB8DE4D9D3C6.jpg[/image]



rockmedic109 -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/29/2009 10:15:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

My work isn't "fantastic" in any way. I'm just a guy with some books and waaaay too much time on his hands...

There'll be some planes next.

Get married. That will take care of the problem of too much time on your hands.....



Terminus -> RE: French Aircraft (9/29/2009 10:38:33 PM)

I've got all the types that were historically in service in Indochina:

Farman 222
Potez 25
Potez 542
Loire 130
Morane 406

as well as a few that weren't, but which I'll be bringing in:

Hawk 75A-1
Maryland
Latecoere 298

I might also bring in some others, if it strikes my fancy, possibly including:

Dewoitine 520
Bloch MB-174
AdA Spitfire
AeroNavale Hellcat
AeroNavale Dauntless




Dili -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 12:04:53 AM)

I have Latecoere Range with Torpedo 800km, with 200kg bomb was 1500km.



Fishbed -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 4:17:04 AM)

Thanks for all your time on such a nice gift Termie! Although I guess you'll really have to beef them up if you want the French army to resist anywhere between 2 or 3 weeks - I mean, apart from running to the Jungle and keep on fighting the Madagascar way...

quote:

ORIGINAL:Daveion Steel
The French Army? What's that?
Excerpt from the movie, 'We were soldiers'.


So young on the forums and already so dumb, such a shame. You're such a hero.



Alikchi2 -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 5:57:25 AM)

Really looking forward to this. Lemme know if I can help in any way.



bklooste -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/30/2009 9:34:30 AM)

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I'm aware of that. In my mod, the Japs decided not to press the issue


So they will let the US ship supplies to China ? How will this affect the results in China from 1940-41



Terminus -> RE: Looking for some data on the French Army (9/30/2009 9:38:03 AM)

Haven't decided yet.



Terminus -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 9:40:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Thanks for all your time on such a nice gift Termie! Although I guess you'll really have to beef them up if you want the French army to resist anywhere between 2 or 3 weeks - I mean, apart from running to the Jungle and keep on fighting the Madagascar way...



Problem is, I can't really go overboard with it. The Army of Indochina was not much more than an internal security force.



Terminus -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 9:41:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dili

I have Latecoere Range with Torpedo 800km, with 200kg bomb was 1500km.


If you've got some data on the Latecoere, please post it. That one was difficult to find.

Also, any range data on the Loire 130, please?



Historiker -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 10:10:10 AM)

This may lead to a bigger Thai war effort as they can get back their historic territory with the Japs.



chacal83000 -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 1:10:43 PM)

Thanks Terminus for the answers. Anyway all the political region will be affected, souds very interesting as I always liked "What If"

For the Loire 130 i found range of 1100 km according to two sources on internet, however as always caution should be put in internet sources.

For Latecoere 298 you can check this and try to sort the truth out :

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lat%C3%A9co%C3%A8re_298
http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/late298.php
http://www.netmarine.net/aero/aeronefs/298latec/index.htm
http://wapedia.mobi/fr/Lat%C3%A9_298
If it may help.



Dili -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 1:46:53 PM)

From research i have made for War in the Mediterranean

Latécoère 298A
Number Build:30 ; it was considered sturdy and somewhat maneuverable.
Wing Area:31.6m2

Weapons: 2 Darne 7.5mm , 1 Darne Back
External Weapons:one 400-mm (15.75-in), 670-kg (1,480-lb) DAI 1925 torpedo or 450-mm (17.72-in), 750-kg (1650-lb) 1926 DA torpedo; two 75-kg (165-lb) G2 bombs or 150-kg (331-lb) I2 bombs.
Engine:Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs 1 868hp at 2400m
Max Speed 285kph at 2500m Cruise:245 at unknown altitude.
Climb: 5m42sec to 1500m, 6m47s to 2000m
Ceiling: Conflicting Data: 5500m 6397m. Seeing that engines have power at low alititude i'll bet more on 5500m.
Range:800km with Torpedo and 529kg Fuel; w/ 200kg bombs range 1500km w/ 1000kg Fuel.

Weight Data:
Empty:3057kg
Crew: 200-300kg
Oil:no data probably around 70kg
Gasoline:529kg
Int Weapons : probably 100kg
Ext Weapons:670kg Torpedo

Max Total fits the 4500 to 4700kg usually refered in literature.

Version D, 75 Build could had also external fuel tank 535lit in bomb bay instead of external weapons.

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Loire 130M
Number Build:111(94 in June 1940)

Wing Area:40.1m2

Int Weapons: 1 mitrailleuse Darne or MAC 34 de 7.5 mm mobile avant, 1 mobile arrière
Ext Weapons:Two 75-kg (165-lb) SM depth charges or two 75-kg (165-lb) G2 bombs in racks on the forward hull sides.
Engine:Hispano-Suiza 12Xirs ; 720hp at SeaLevel 690hp at unknown altitude
Max Speed 226kph at 2100m Cruise:160 at unknown altitude.
Climb: 12min to 3000m
Ceiling: 6000m
Range: 1100, 1120km

Weight Data:
Empty :2054-2090kg
Crew : 400-500kg
Oil:no data probably around 70kg
Gasoline:no data
Int Weapons: probably 70kg
Ext Weapons:150kg

Max Weight:3507kg. No weight/range verifications done due to lack of research about gasoline capacity.

Any more data for other French planes just ask. I have also some side and top drawings available but not worked on.



NormS3 -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 7:25:14 PM)

Great Job T!

I look forward to seeing more, especially the artwork[:)] (I'm artisticly retarted)[:D]



Terminus -> RE: French Aircraft (9/30/2009 7:59:22 PM)

Here's a badly-kept secret: so am I. The ship-sides are cut-and-paste jobs of official AE art, and the plane-sides are images downloaded from the net, scraped clear of their background and pasted in. I use wingspalette.ru for the aircraft.



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