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Mike Solli -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/22/2009 4:53:35 PM)

That is incorrect, kaleun.  There is a thread on this.  Someone posted a screenshot confirming that it can happen.



kaleun -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/22/2009 9:35:04 PM)

Interesting; I wish I knew the thread. Makes sense though.



Mike Solli -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/22/2009 10:43:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kaleun

Interesting; I wish I knew the thread. Makes sense though.


Found it! (Sorry for the interruption, Q-Ball.)

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2249986&mpage=1&key=carrier%2Ctrained?



Footslogger -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/22/2009 11:43:38 PM)

Mike!! Good to see you back!! [sm=00000436.gif]



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 4:08:11 AM)

Combat Report, Feb 1,2 1942

The Japanese War Machine grinds on; Luzon was attacked again at 1-2 and held. I am waiting for an attack on Singapore, which I expect to go well for Japan. Not sure why CF is holding back, he is vaporizing 1000-1500 troops a turn via bombardment. We can't hold long.

DEI
Kendari and Singkawang are about to fall, along with Samarinda. The walls are closing in on Soerbaya.

Operation Searchlight
We have decided to launch a Carrier Raid on Sakhalin. If you recall I had debated what to do with my 2 CVs in Pearl, and this is what we are settling on.

OBJECTIVES: We have several objectives for this operation
1. Sink and disperse several Japanese merchant convoys. There will be several operating off Sakhalin.
2. Force the Japanese to commit resources to defense of the North
3. Force CF to aircover any moves on the Aleutians
4. Psychological Warfare: Send the message that nowhere is safe, even right off the Home Islands

RISKS:
1. Risk of intervention by Japanese Navy extremely low; risk of LBA is also extremely low; he is unlikely to be on alert up there
2. Primary risk is revealing location of 2 of my CVs; however, that will not account for all CVs. He can feel safe moving KB around, but nothing else. That still means only one point of attack or Schwerpunkt, which I will concede to him anyway.

So, that's it for SEARCHLIGHT. AOs are moving out, and this will take a couple weeks to set-up. Saratoga and Yorktown have left Pearl under Spruance, with CA/CL and DD escort.



ny59giants -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 5:24:00 AM)

I would move out some subs to be on the western flank of your AOs.

As Canoerebel's AAR is showing, not enough recon is going to cost you a lot of ships.

RECON!!! [:D]



Swenslim -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 8:23:24 AM)

Interesting to see what happen :) As japan player I put Mavis squadron on Hokkaido, maybe he did the same.



Rainer79 -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 11:23:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball
RISKS:
1. Risk of intervention by Japanese Navy extremely low; risk of LBA is also extremely low; he is unlikely to be on alert up there


I wouldn't be too sure about that. At least one other AAR recently featured such a move so there might be some precautions in place now.



Canoerebel -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 11:42:20 AM)

I think Q-Ball is right about the threat level to his carriers - probably pretty low.  He'll almost certainly get in, mess up a few merchants, and get out.

Q-Ball, I don't know if Arctic winter conditions would impede a carrier TF at sea, but if so, I believe they end effective March 1.



kokubokan25 -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 11:49:54 AM)

In my opinion this attack had a great oportunity of success. The japanese LBA based in Home islands had a very low exp level and the glory days of G3M/G4M are now past in the AE.
But my first and main objective would be the resource facilities in Toyohara and in second term the shipping around Sakhalin.



rattovolante -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 12:00:43 PM)

I would recommend to invest a lot on (discrete!) recon if you want to try this.
IMO such a plan would only work if the japanese player leaves a huge gap in his defenses! Which isn't unlikely, considering how the trend for japanese players seems to favor over-aggressiveness early on.

But... even a single CVL in Ominato or Wakkanai preparing for a spring Aleutines invasion has a relevant chance to ruin your plan and leave your CVs limping in arctic weather a LONG way from a repair yard... risky, every naval assets in the Marshalls would be vectored to cut your retreat to Anchorage.

PS: More than Mavises at Hokkaido I would be afraid of FPs at Paramushiro-jima and Etorofu. Send some subs scouting there and check if they report floatplanes overhead.



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 7:25:05 PM)

dan, ranier79, ratto, michael, fremen....thanks everyone for the comments.

I can still cancel that operation, as I said I don't expect to sink more than a few transports, but the point is really to rattle the Allies. When you think they could be anywhere, you start planning for shadows. That's when a "Fleet in Being" becomes important, if your opponent thinks you might use it.

Combat Report, Feb 2,3 1942

Nothing new in particular to report; bombarding in Singapore and Luzon, Japs advancing in Burma, and Kendari finally fell.

Repair: You Learn Somthing New

I must have missed this part of the manual, but apparently I can't repair HMS Repulse at Capetown, or at least I can't repair the 15in turret that is out. I am asking the reader: Is this related to Port Size, or Shipyard Size?

If Port Size, I'll move her back on the map and repair.

If this is a SHIPYARD limitation, that means I am 10,000 miles away from a shipyard that can fix that gun. What it would likely mean is that Repulse is going to the West Coast, and joining the US Navy. I can't complain too hard, after all, for most Allied players she is at the bottom of the Gulf of Siam rather than a drydock in South Africa, so could be worse.

You can also see that Prince of Wales will be out for a spell.....

[image]local://upfiles/6931/40A5EEA746544DCFA3A93379F535EFE0.jpg[/image]



Canoerebel -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 8:11:53 PM)

I can't answer your port/shipyard question, but consider sending her to the East Coast from Capetown. That's relatively close and the shipyards should be sufficient there (I haven't actually checked, but surely to goodness they would be - Norfolk oughta be able to take anything).



drw61 -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 8:49:23 PM)

I believe that the weapons repair depends on the port size (naval support could also have a role in this???)

From the manual page 239

Port Size , Pt Wpns Repair
0 , 0
1 , 25
2 , 50
3 , 75
4 , 100
5 , 125
6 , 150
7 , 175
8 , 200
9 , 225
10 , 250


14.2.1.2. WEAPONS DAMAGE
Notwithstanding the amount of System Damage, repairs to guns (or anything else specifically
listed on the Ship’s Information screen) are also limited. A Gun Repair value is calculated for
each Repair Type and only guns (or other weapon systems) ‘costing’ up to this value can be
repaired. It is possible for a ship to have its hull, engines and systems substantially repaired
without having its weapon systems repaired. A DD, for example, might get hull, engine, and
electronics repairs at a moderate sized port, but must go to a better repair facility for repairs to
torpedo tubes or its primary gun batteries.



Panther Bait -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 9:53:28 PM)

There is also the following from the manual.
 
14.2.4 WEAPON REPAIR:
Repairs to guns and other weapon systems are also limited. A Weapon Repair Level is calculated for each Repair Type, up to a maximum value. Only guns or weapon systems "costing" up to this level can be repaired at a suitable Port or at an anchorage with suitable available Tenders.
 
14.2.4.1 WEAPON REPAIR COSTS:
Weapon Repair points are generated by each Repair Type, independently of their ability to repair other forms of damage. Weapon Repair points are applied to damaged weapon systems in terms of Weapon Repair Costs.
Weapon Repair Costs are as follows:
 
Rockets: 0
RADAR: 90
Mines/Torps: 120
Guns: Effect value of gun
 
14.2.4.2 WEAPON REPAIR POINTS
The different Repair Types, described above, contribute Weapon System Repair Points, as follows:
Repair Shipyard - Weapon Repair level is the Shipyard Size (not capacity, but original size) times 20, up to a maximum of 300.
Tender Repair - Tenders are limited in what weapon systems they can repair (as described in section 14.2.3.2), but to the extent they can repair weapons, their weapon repair points are set to 250.
Port Repair - To the extent a port can repair weapon systems, its weapon repair points are set to the port size x 25.
In small scenarios (i.e. not full map), the AI will send damaged ships off map.
 
Mike



Zacktar -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 10:15:16 PM)

I had the same issue in an AI game -- 15" turret knocked off the Repulse. I wound up sending her to the UK, where it eventually got replaced. I believe it's shipyard size, not port size, that matters.



Smeulders -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/23/2009 10:17:19 PM)

Looking at the parts of the manual posted here, it can be either. What's the effect of the 15in guns, if higher than 250, you'll need a large shipyard, otherwise a lvl 10 port should be enough. 



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/24/2009 3:57:08 AM)

Combat Report, Feb 5 and 6, 1942

Thanks Smeulders, Fletcher, Michaal for the feedback...either way, we can't fix it in Cape Town. Repulse is probably going to join the US Navy, which is OK, we can use a fast ship like that.

Singapore
First attack was 2-1 and dropped the forts to 2. We are burning all important papers, and preparing to think of the King in our last stand. Might be tommorow that we surrender.

ZZZZZZZ
Nothing elsehwere. Yet.



Capt. Harlock -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/24/2009 7:12:13 PM)

quote:

We are burning all important papers, and preparing to think of the King in our last stand. Might be tommorow that we surrender.


I don't suppose Cuttlefish is actually desperately short of ammo?[:D]



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/25/2009 2:58:49 AM)

Capt. Harlock: [:D] It would be nice, but I'm afraid not.

Combat Report, Feb 7, 8 1942

Very little happening still. This is driving me mad, as I am certain Cuttlefish and KB are up to no good. KB was last sighted over a week ago; my guess is that they are at Truk, but I have no idea where they are going after that.

Preparations
Pago Pago has most of the 2nd Marine Div there. I am starting to reinfoce Savaii, and have a RCT planning to land at Suva. Planes are also heading down there. I am moving a surface combat TF to Pago Pago, to potentially interdict Japanese Landings in the Ellice Islands

Singapore
Another attack drops the forts....shant be long now. I don't know how I could have held out more; I retreated to Singapore in good order, even rebuilding 9th and 11th Indian Divs, and the 11th was at almost 100% readiness. When the Japs bring 5 divisions like Cuttlefish did, not much you can do. Personally, I think any JFB should make a max commitment to Malaya, and if you do that, the Allies cannot hold past first week of Feb, period.

Searchlight
Operation is starting from Dutch Harbor.

[image]local://upfiles/6931/2A986F40E35D48F493DAD154599D1BCB.jpg[/image]



Swenslim -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/25/2009 9:40:44 AM)

All units that are commited from 1 turn will be enough. Japan player has 4-5 sturm engineer squads to  crumble forts. 4 full divisions of expirienced troops have good chances to crush allied side. In my game against Sulusea I took Singapore on 15 of February. Just like in real history [8D]




Q-Ball -> Port Moresby (10/25/2009 6:08:03 PM)

Svenslim: You're right, the Allies can do nothing if the Japanese do what they are supposed to do. More on that below.....

Combat Report, Feb 8,9 1942

Port Moresby
An invasion armada appears off Port Moresby, and starts unloading the 53 Division. That is commitment to Port Moresby, because CF had to buy that division in the Home Islands, about 1700 PPs. If the whole division is there, it's more than enough.

The PM garrison is just the At-Start forces. This is why I don't think it's wise for the Allies to reinforce PM; if I had reinforced it, unless I had a whole division (which I didn't), it just adds to the POW count.

Anyway, it should fall tommorow on the first attack.

Singapore
Another bombardment by the Japanese. Next attack will be the 2nd to last or the last

Kido Butai
With the invasion of Port Moresby, I am making the assumption that KB is in the Coral Sea. I have cleared important convoys out of Coral Sea until well south of Brisbane and Noumea; there are a couple xAKLs unloading supplies at Noumea, we'll find out soon if KB is around.

Operation Searchlight:
Our CV TF has cleared the last of our Aleutians, and will enter Indian Country shortly. I am steering around Paramishiro Jima, as that is the only base likely to have any Nav Search. I should be in position to strike in a couple days.

Repair Note on HMS Repulse
As soon as Cape Town became a size-7 port, which was yesterday, Repulse is now able to be fully repaired there. She is almost complete, and the turret is already fixed. Lesson learned there! Thanks for the comments everyone.

Comparison to my other PBEM
It is interesting to compare this to my other PBEM. In that game, I am playing a good opponent, who may be reading this; I am JAPAN in that one. I think it's fair to say that I am advancing quicker in that game, but I have lost more transport shipping than CF has. I think there is a price to pay for moving fast, and I have had some transports exposed and destroyed. CF has been more careful, and after the first week, I have had a few shots.

But here is a summary, as of January 27, 1942:
Singapore fell on the 20th. It went quickly on the first attack, because I landed a division at Mersing, catching my opponent by surprise and resulting in the capture of 23K troops at Kuala Lumpur, including all the best ones. I also had brought 5 divisions to this, hoping to close it out early, which I did. I withdrew too fast for a landing at Mersing to help, not sure how CF could have moved any faster.

I am beseiging Bataan; I have already captured 20K troops at Manila. My opponent chose to defend Manila and Clark; I attacked Clark first, pushing those troops back to Bataan, then liquidated Manila. I learned from this, and abandoned Manila early. CF is attacking Clark, and once that falls it won't be long.

In China, I launched an offensive toward Nanyang and Sian; my opponent defended a number of forward areas. At the moment it seems to be rolling, with a couple pockets of troops surrounded.

PM has falled already.

In the DEI, I really concentrated on Timor from the outset, clearing it by the end of December. At this point, I have taken Borneo, and have troops on the outskirts of Batavia and Soerbaya.

Playing as Japan has been helpful in this game, and vice versa. I highly recommend to anyone to play both sides; you really understand more when you do that.



Swenslim -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/25/2009 6:32:02 PM)

But there is 27 Kate unit with 72 avg exp. It will be enough to finish his CV's, if he has some Zero's to cover of cource.



ny59giants -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/25/2009 7:03:57 PM)

quote:

As soon as Cape Town became a size-7 port, which was yesterday, Repulse is now able to be fully repaired there. She is almost complete, and the turret is already fixed. Lesson learned there! Thanks for the comments everyone.


I think veterans of WITP will have to switch their mindset from one of looking at bases from an AF center focus to one where the Port is just as important, if not more important. This port will need to be expanded to max starting on day 1.

I think players who do play both sides have an advantage as to what the other players weaknesses and strengths are. It adds another level to game play, IMO.



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/25/2009 11:47:11 PM)

Combat Report, Feb 10,11 1942

Cuttlefish and I are knocking out turns today, this is far more entertaining than the performance of my wretched Bears. If I play defense like the Bears have today, the Japanese will be in San Francisco by June![:@]

Operation Searchlight
We are approaching the Kuriles, and still undetected. We will begin our attack run tommorow, and should be raiding on the 14th or so.

Burma
I'll post a screenshot shortly; Japanese troops are approaching Mandalay. I am completely evacuating Burma. My poor generalship in the beginning of this campaign meant that I couldnt' really organize a defense. We are retreating in good order, without combat, but running nonetheless. I plan on making a stand at Lashio; there are 500 AV there, mostly Chinese, but I don't expect it to work. I just need to hold the Burma Road open if I can.

Aside from this, I have units marching to Akyab to hold that, as well as Chittagong and Cox's Bazar. I fear an invasion in this quarter.

Allied CVs off Java
SBDs have sighted a sub two days in a row, which means that there is a chance he has sighted me. Additionally, I have no idea where KB is; I suspect somewhere in the Coral Sea protecting that landing, but I don't know for sure. Until I know, I am withdrawing the Lexington/Indomitable force to Perth, and probably to Hawaii. Yes, I'll bring that RN CV to Hawaii as temporary replacement for Big E, which is going to be in the shop for awhile.

Convoys
A couple large convoys have unloaded at Australia, including some base troops, tanks, but most importantly fighter units; P-39s and P-40s.

Sub Wars
I haven't gotten much lately, and CF has had some luck; an AO off Midway, a TK off Australia this turn, and an xAKL.

Singapore
Check out the image......CF should be attacking I think! Not all units are this bad, but we have lost alot of troops.

This unit is down to a Mortar, 2 trucks, and a broken Machine gun. WOW!

[image]local://upfiles/6931/412CCB47B6884A698D16B07955E6081A.jpg[/image]



SuluSea -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/26/2009 12:03:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball


Operation Searchlight
We are approaching the Kuriles, and still undetected. We will begin our attack run tommorow, and should be raiding on the 14th or so.


Would like to see maps, avenue of approach ,retreat, damage assesment if this gets pulled off. Best of luck Q-Ball.

As far as ports all off map ports should be expanding by turn 2, unless they're maxed of course. [;)]



Smeulders -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/26/2009 8:32:02 AM)

Holding Lashio to keep open the Burma road is useless, you have to hold a path from Rangoon to the Chinese city over the border for that to work. 



modrow -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/26/2009 10:48:55 AM)

Smeulders,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Smeulders

Holding Lashio to keep open the Burma road is useless, you have to hold a path from Rangoon to the Chinese city over the border for that to work. 


Are you sure about that, specifically the second part ? From the manual:

For the Allies, if a rail/road/trail path free of Japanese units between Tsuyung and Ledo or between Tsuyung and Rangoon can be traced, than each day, 500 supply points per turn are added to Tsuyung.

If I believe what is written there, there's a second option apart from the condition mentioned by you, which may at least be met easier if Lashio is held. Are there any indications for the manual being wrong in that respect ?

Thanks

Hartwig



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/26/2009 2:32:20 PM)

Burma Road: I admit I hadn't read the manual there, so I guess I'm not clear what constitutes holding it open or not. If it has to be Rangoon, that ship has sailed. If Ledo, I am not sure there is a path from Ledo to Tsuyung, even without Japs.

Combat Report, Feb 12

Sinagpore: Singapore fell today, 90,000 Allied prisoners. From the screenshot I posted yesterday, I'm not at all surprised. It was a 5-1 attack in the end. Feb 12th isn't bad, that's about 2 weeks beyond my target, but CF's troops are pretty much unscathed and ready to go elsewhere. Where that is I have no idea, other than Java, which is obvious.

Operation Searchlight: We commence this operation tommorow. Below is the set-up and approach. (to svenslim's request)

[image]local://upfiles/6931/2E08F80165724322A16B52823C4A9CB8.jpg[/image]



Q-Ball -> RE: It's Dark: Do you know where your KB is? (10/26/2009 3:23:18 PM)

Combat Report, Feb 13th, 1942

Operation Searchlight:
This operation succeeded in it's initial objectives; we successfully entered the Sea of Okhotsk, and torched everything within range; 8 xAKs, and a couple Sub Chasers, no doubt out looking for the subs I have patrolling up there. Judging from Cuttlefishes's comments and the disposition of ships, he was completely surprised, and we were not spotted. I'm not going for a round 2, he is likely to move every convoy away, and probably disband any that can, so we are unlikely to have alot of targets tommorow.

Now we have to make a clean getaway. I am working under the assumption that KB is in the Coral Sea, but I haven't spotted it in quite awhile, so I can't be sure. There is the off-chance it could even be in Japan. Given that, I am going to withdraw straight East, both because I am sure KB is not in the Aleutians, and also my Replenishment TF is there; we will top-off, and head back to Pearl.

Other Allied CVs
It is probably time to bring everyone together, excepting Big E, which is still approaching Cape Town (BTW, I wouldnt have sent here there had I known KB was NOT hunting her, but better safe than sorry I suppose when it comes to CVs in 1942). HMS Indomitable has been impressed into the US Navy, and her and Lexington will round Australia. Hornet just appeared in the Eastern US.

What Next?
The fall of Singapore frees up a bunch of troops, so where are they headed next? Java is an obvious choice for starters, so I expect an invasion in a couple weeks. The Dutch Fighters are relatively fresh, and beginning to equip with Hurris, with P-40s around the corner, so I hope I get a little more time to make Java more expensive.

[image]local://upfiles/6931/A8E5367C76D24C4BBD916713C2276B94.jpg[/image]



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