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Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/12/2009 11:56:07 PM)
I agree that it would be a bit gamey. Also, the only way to properly protect that invasion fleet would be with KB. Look at what happened to my little Ryujo from only 1 CA. Those small carriers are very fragile now, and rightly so. Historically they were.

stuman -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/13/2009 12:06:18 AM)
So Ambon may really be about as much as you could grab quickly. That is what I meant by going " deep", grabbing Ambon fast.

Micke II -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/13/2009 8:37:02 AM)
Hi Micke, I am reading with a great interest your AAR. You bring interesting ideas for alternative strategies, management of the japanese merchant fleet and plenty of explanations. I have one question. You intend to move the 21eme ID from Shanghaī. The garrison requirement in Shanghaī is 720 AV and on December 7th you have only 782 AV points in this town. How do you will fulfill your garrison need if you move out this division ?

FatR -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/13/2009 11:49:43 AM)
I want to say thanks for this AAR and its detailed strategies and explanations. Discussions of Japanese merchant fleet's management were particularly helpful, as it is one of most complicated parts of the game.

Takeshi -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/13/2009 1:50:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Micke II Hi Micke, I have one question. You intend to move the 21eme ID from Shanghaī. The garrison requirement in Shanghaī is 720 AV and on December 7th you have only 782 AV points in this town. How do you will fulfill your garrison need if you move out this division ? One way is to move the 15th Div from Nanking to Shanghai. You will still meet the garrison requirements for Nanking.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 2:09:55 PM)
Yup, the 15 ID moved south into Shanghai. I have a convoluted series of moves in China to cover all the garrisons with the poor quality troops with an attempt to free up as many good quality formations for the front line as possible. I did cut it a bit too close and moved some unit out of Peiping while moving someone else in as garrison. The unit in Peiping left the hex while it's replacement was 2 miles shy of Peiping. The result was a partisan attack and the loss of a VP. There was no damage to the industry however. Edit: The 15 ID move is temporary. Drivel will arrive later to free the 15th up for service to the west of Shanghai.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 3:16:18 PM)
11 Dec 41 We started to make some headway taking bases, but lost our first ship today (and second too). Hawaii Off Lihue, the I-5 put 2 torps into an xAKL. I suspect she was carrying supplies for Midway. I didn't see her go down, but xAKLs usually aren't happy eating 2 torps. The I-4 found a DD TF (or maybe it was the other way around). Anyway, she put a torpedo into the Conyngham, causing heavy damage, and getting away with no damage. She showed up as sunk, but I'm not sure. The subs around Hawaii are kicking some serious Allied butt! [:D] Japan The habit of the AI sending all excess resources to Tokyo is causing some critical problems. By 13 Dec, I'm short almost a million resources. In addition, I have stopped shipping resources to Honshu and am in the process of loading as many resources on AKs in Japan as possible. So far there is >500k resources on AKs. This means that those AKs are not transporting troops or supply anywhere. I really hope a hotfix is in the works. As of 13 Dec, Tokyo still has 999,999 resources and 997,999 oil. Oh yeah, I'm putting oil on TKs as well. This is becoming a concern. The 33 ID is enroute to Burma (most likely via Bangkok) on fast xAPs. China In Hong Kong, I tried a deliberate assault to test the waters. 1:2 odds and 709 Japanese casualties to 496 British casualties. I'll bombard with artillery and planes for a couple of days to soften them up. At Sinyang, the Chinese Corps is still hanging around so I attacked again, 1:1 odds, 114 Japanese to 87 Chinese casualties. Philippines The Scout finally left Hong Kong (the only remaining DD there) and caught a small TF of 2x xAK escorted by a PB (big mistake on my part) sinking one xAK and damaging the other two ships. The TF will make port but had the 2nd Tk Reg on board. Guess I'll end up rebuilding them....[8\|] The Scout got clean away. The landing at Lingayan began today. Aside from minor/moderate damage to 3x PBs and an xAK from shore batteries, there was no interference. Several surface TFs (including 4 BBs, and a bunch of cruisers and DDs) successfully screened the invasion (as well as Vigan). The only air-to-air contact was 4 Tojos vs. 19 P-40Es. The Tojos shot down 2 Warhawks for no loss. I love those Tojos! The subs from the Philippines made their first appearance. The S-39 moved into Vigan to try and stir up trouble and took a hit and a couple of near misses from SC Ch7. Banzai! Malaya Some air support arrived and I moved more planes into Kota Bahru. The only losses were a Wirraway and a Blenheim IV to AA. I did divert some forces from Kota Bahru to Kuantan. They will arrive tomorrow. Ryujo Saga The Ryujo TF successfully evaded the Houston (which I suspect is sunk) but ran into That Damn Boise 8 hexes W of Palau. [:@] That had to be the longest battle I've ever seen. That Damn Boise took 2x 8" hits (one penetrating) and 6x 5" hits while the Ryujo took 6x 6" hits, the Nachi took light damage (15 sys damage), Chitose minor damage and the Hatsukaze took moderate damage from 2x 6" rounds. Actually, I got really lucky. Here's the damage results: Ryujo: 52-27(5)-21(4)-0 (major damage in parentheses) Hatsukaze: 49-22(11)-11-0 They are still 8 hexes from Palau..... SE Fleet We took Kavieng and Manus (Admiralty Islands) and landed at Hollandia. The forces at Manus are going to reboard and move to the coast of NG to start cleaning up bases there. The forces continue to gather for the invasion of Rabaul. 4th Fleet KB is 2 days sail from Wake (from the east). The 4 CAs bombarded Wake today and the invasion fleet is still 1/2 day's sail from Wake. Aoba took a hit from shore guns taking light damage.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 3:18:44 PM)
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the I-123. She had 98 flot damage and was in Balkipapan, after eating a mine. Today her damage is: 27-82(71)-17(9)-0! She's still 15 days sail from Palau though. Keeping fingers crossed here.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 4:56:04 PM)
Another oversight. I forgot to mention that I took Miri. Total damage to the industry there (in addition to the 150 oil and refinery that starts damaged) was 1 oil and 1 refinery. I'm going to repair 1 refinery (I like round numbers [:D]) and 151 oil.

Chickenboy -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 5:00:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Another oversight. I forgot to mention that I took Miri. Total damage to the industry there (in addition to the 150 oil and refinery that starts damaged) was 1 oil and 1 refinery. I'm going to repair 1 refinery (I like round numbers [:D]) and 151 oil. Hi Mike, In my PBEM game, I'm not seeing the Tokyo hording issue, but I'm also using a large number of Honshu ports for offloading. Matter of fact, I'm not putting all that much into Tokyo per se. Do you think that the site of unloading for your resources / oil has something to do with the overabundance of resources and Oil at Tokyo per se?

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 5:02:32 PM)
Chickenboy, I'm not using Tokyo at all to offload my resources. I'm trying to use small ports for the most part.

Frandoxxx -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 6:50:16 PM)
In the beginning of this thread you posted a very nice and detailed breakdown on hulls and where you were going to send them to use for tranferring resources to Honshu. I being the good little copy cat disciple that i am, I studiously copied all that down. In my new game (my honorable adversary and I decided to start over after this last patch came out) I pretty much sent the same amount of hulls to the same places to use for the resource convoy. It is now the Dec 9th turn, untill this resource thing is strightened out, should I go ahead and start ferrying the resources to Honshu in the same quanities from the same places or not? [&:]

Q-Ball -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/14/2009 10:39:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Another oversight. I forgot to mention that I took Miri. Total damage to the industry there (in addition to the 150 oil and refinery that starts damaged) was 1 oil and 1 refinery. I'm going to repair 1 refinery (I like round numbers [:D]) and 151 oil. Waste of 1000 supplies on the refinery, but it's your funeral[:D]

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 4:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Frandoxx In the beginning of this thread you posted a very nice and detailed breakdown on hulls and where you were going to send them to use for tranferring resources to Honshu. I being the good little copy cat disciple that i am, I studiously copied all that down. In my new game (my honorable adversary and I decided to start over after this last patch came out) I pretty much sent the same amount of hulls to the same places to use for the resource convoy. It is now the Dec 9th turn, untill this resource thing is strightened out, should I go ahead and start ferrying the resources to Honshu in the same quanities from the same places or not? [&:] Until the hotfix is released I'd recommend loading resources from their origin but not sending the ships to Honshu. That's what I'm doing. In addition to that, if you see any Honshu ports approaching 999,999, use all available xAKs in the area to load resources to try and keep it down. Once you install the hotfix, start unloading those cargos in Honshu and start those other TFs moving to Honshu. At least that's what I'm trying and Tokyo still is pegged out at 999,999. [8\|] I may just wait for the hotfix before continuing. Edit: I recommend sending a lot more Adens to Pt. Arthur. Resources are accumulating there fast. I'm up to about 20 right now.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 4:48:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Q-Ball quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Another oversight. I forgot to mention that I took Miri. Total damage to the industry there (in addition to the 150 oil and refinery that starts damaged) was 1 oil and 1 refinery. I'm going to repair 1 refinery (I like round numbers [:D]) and 151 oil. Waste of 1000 supplies on the refinery, but it's your funeral[:D] Just me being anal. The thought of producing 149*9=1341 fuel a day would drive me nuts. [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] [:D]

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 5:02:19 PM)
Oh yeah Q-Ball, my supply is currently increasing. Maybe I'm forgetting to do something. [:D]

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 5:44:16 PM)
12 Dec 41 Well, More good things happened today (but that's to be expected at this point in the war, right). Japan It looks like the hotfix will solve the resource issue for Honshu. For those of you who haven't seen the fix, the max has gone from 999,999 to 99,999,999. I think that should do it. [:D] My movement of resources to Honshu is currently on hold with the TFs loading but staying in port. China Ted has sent a small horde of Chinese to Ichang. We'll see what he does next turn. I bombarded in Hong Kong for minor losses on both sides. Sinyang - I drove the Chinese Corps out this turn taking 43 casuaties to 2485 Chinese casualties. Another combat ineffective Chinese corps for awhile. [:D] NW of Kaifeng, I attacked a Chinese Corps at 1:2 odds and 166 losses to 291 Chinese losses. Two hexes north of ANking I attacked another Chinese corps. This one didn't turn out as well, with me taking 672 losses to 99 Chinese. What were these guys thinking? Philippines The air was was one sided with no Japanese losses to the following Allied losses (all shot down): 8x P-40E 2x P-26A 2x B-17D Banzai! The Navy wasn't to be outdone. They did the following: 8 Brit MTBs attacked my SAG at Iba (2 CA, 1 CL, 2 DD) and were vaporized. Pretty much, if an 8" shell hits one, it's obliterated. [:D] The DD Pope found my SAG (1 CL, 7 DD) at Legaspi and promptly went down. The IJNAF had to do their bit too: Six Bettys put 3 torps into an Allied xAK and watched her go down. The IJA didn't want to be left out: They captured Lingayan (50:1) causing 1438 casualties to 128 Japanese casualties. I sent some forces to the hex to the SE. By capturing that hex, they'll cut Luzon in two. More troops are going to move SW to Clark field shortly. The only downside to all this is that an xAK took damage from CD guns and went down and a PB that took damage yesterday also went down. Malaya We landed forces at Kuantan. The air war was costly to both sides today. We lost 2 Zeros to 6 Buffalos, all shot down. When is he going to run out of Buffalos? Ryujo Saga The Ryujo damage is now 52-26(5)-21(4)-0, with flooding down a point. The Hatsukaze dropped to 49-22(11)-11-0 (flot down 2 points). Their TF is only 1 hex from Babeldaob. They'll make it to port, but we'll see what happens next. SE Fleet We took Hollandia. We're still working toward the Rabaul invasion, which is about a week away. 4th Fleet The Wake invasion is imminent. Nothing else exciting going on there at the moment. Other Stuff The I-123 remained the same at 27-82(71)-17(9)-0. Recall that her flot damage was 98 when she hit the mine. Also note that she's 2 weeks sail from ports. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one and hoping for the best.

fabertong -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 6:25:32 PM)
Congrats on the b-17 kills....always good to see.......any news on Boise.......?

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 7:15:36 PM)
Nothing on Boise, faber. The battle was really long, so I suspect she's low on ammo. Ted said that she was lying in ambush and reacted to the Ryujo. He didn't expect that.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 7:15:37 PM)
Nothing on Boise, faber. The battle was really long, so I suspect she's low on ammo. Ted said that she was lying in ambush and reacted to the Ryujo. He didn't expect that.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/15/2009 10:48:46 PM)
Mike, is the hotfix for increasing resource stocks available yet, or something we are waiting on? Sqz

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/16/2009 5:46:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon Mike, is the hotfix for increasing resource stocks available yet, or something we are waiting on? Sqz Nope, it's not out yet, but Joe Wilkerson(?) said he hopes it'll be out this week.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/16/2009 6:35:41 PM)
13 Dec 41 4th Fleet The long awaited invasion of Wake occurred today. KB launched 134 Kates escorted by 14 Zeros. They found 10 Wildcats waiting for them and shot down 4 Wildcats for no loss. I really like the ability to set an air unit to naval attack with a secondary mission of ground attack. We were never able to do that in WitP. Anyway, the invasion fleet went in and landed it's troops. Accurate Marine CD gunfire hit the Katori, an xAKL and 6 PBs with 20x 5" shells. All of the ships are expected to survive. The troops went in and shock attacked the stunned Marines, taking the island and 1983 prisoners for 103 casualties. The garrison is a NG unit and a SNLF. I'll scrounge up some engineers to build up the forts. I'm not sure if I'll keep the SNLF there. KB is headed to Kwajalein where the Akagi, Kaga, 2 BBs and escorts will set up their home for awhile in case of an Allied incursion. The rest of KB will head to Truk then south to Rabaul and Pt. Moresby, which brings us to..... SE Fleet The Admiralty Islands invasion force just moved on to Wewak and landed there today. The Rabaul invasion force continues to plod south. Mindinao The Hosho & Zuiho TF found some targets east of Mindinao. The Hosho's Kates put down an xAK (which had been torpedoed by the RO-33 earlier in the day). The Zuiho's Kates sank an xAKL and damaged an xAK. The Ryujo didn't enter the port of Babeldaob (because of the reef hexsides). Now she's really only one hex from port. Her damage improved slightly to 52-25(5)-21(4)-0 and the Hatsukaze is about the same as yesterday. The I-123 is still limping to port (28 hexes out) and had her flot damage improve by 1 - 28-81(71)-16(9)-0. Philippines There was very little Allied air power today. I sweep over all the occupied Allied airfields and ran into only 2 P-49Es, shooting down one. I've effectively cut the Philippines into 3 sections. The breakout from Lingayan has isolated 2 Philippine divisions from Manila and I finally landed at Atimonan isolating Naga from Manila. Not sure if there are any troops down there though. A US sub sank an SC at Vigan, but in return ate a DC. Hopefully, this was enough to send her packing. Malaya The RAF is still contesting Malaya, but Buffalo numbers are lower than a week ago. For the loss of 1 Zero we shot down 6 Buffalos, 1 Blenheim IV, 1 Hudson and a Swordfish. That makes 33 Buffalos shot down over Singapore since the war began. I wonder how many they have left? The RAF (and Dutch and whoever else they're scraping up) still have teeth. A Do-24K-1(!) put a 300kg bomb into the Kongo. I don't think this did much damage, but later a Swordfish put a torpedo into her. She'll survive but a couple of DDs are escorting her to Cam Ranh Bay (she can't go to Saigon) for repairs. Her damage stands at 6-34(28)-2-0. An xAK was also hit at Kuantan and later in the day sank. On the positive side, we liberated Kuantan, causing almost 1000 casualties to 64 losses. Kuantan is really a poor invasion site, due to the poor roads. China Various firefights are occurring, with the Chinese almost always taking the brunt of the losses. The only place I'm concerned is at Ichang. They have 6 or 7 corps there against my division (and a very poor garrison division). I should have evacuated the place. I bombarded and caused 111 casualties. We'll see what happens. I attacked some Chinese 3 hexes W of Chingting and routed them, causing 2500 casualties to 231 Japanese casualties. I also bombarded Hong Kong, causing 138 Brit casualties. Burma Not much to talk about here. Mostly, the 15 Army is plodding northward. A tank regiment moved into Victoria Point and will attack tomorrow. This is significant because Victoria Point will be the jump off for the air invasion of Pt. Blair. There are air support and engineer units just about there with the 1st Raiding Unit leapfrogging it's way there too. I will probably detach an infantry regiment from the 25 Army to use as a temporary garrison until I figure out the permanant garrison. The 22 Air Flotilla is allocated to Pt. Blair. The Zeros from that Flotilla are the ones eating Buffalo every day. I hope the RAF in Malaya is subdued by the time Pt. Blair is ready to receive the 22 Air Flotilla. Japan Well, >90% of the resource hauling cargos are in place and most are fully loaded with resources. Here are some stats to show how significant the Tokyo resource black hole has been, in just a week of game time: I started the war with 7.3 million resources. Today, one week later, I have 5.6 million on the map and another 900k on ships, making 6.5 million resources available. That's an 800k shortage. I should only be down about 15-20k in a week's period. Scary, ain't it? The amount of resources in Tokyo is down to ~925k, so the black hole isn't today. [:D]

Smeulders -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/16/2009 8:28:22 PM)
When you're nearing 100 buffaloes downed, the Malayan airforce is close to being wiped out, you're about 1/3rd there.

Mike Solli -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/16/2009 8:35:52 PM)
100 huh? Didn't realize it was that many. Good to know....

Q-Ball -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/16/2009 10:18:07 PM)
Admiral Solli-San: Imperial Headquarters requests details of your operational plan to land on Java, specifically, our maps indicate Singkawang or maybe Billiton might be good places to land to establish air control south of Singapore, so that our forces can then easily liberate Java in late January from the Dutch colonialist yoke. Intelligence indicates that the Dutch colonialists are due to receive Hurricanes starting in 3/42, and that their forces grow stronger with time, making an early landing highly advisable. What forces do you plan? What is your target date for landing, and what bases will you capture along the way? What are your plans in the Southern DEI, so that the Australian colonialists cannot interfere with us taking what is rightfully ours?

bklooste -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/17/2009 10:21:25 AM)
Best way to deal with Ichang is to take Changsha, historically the Chinese used all the IChang forces to help Changsha and hence the Japanes attacked with 100K and the Chinese had 300K . If you move on Changsha now you should have 100K vs 100K. The best part is Changsha is usefull to you in terms of garrison to gain and IChang isnt. Personally i feel its best now for China to just keep the railway open and defend resource centres the more other places they take the better to free up garrisons. With most house rules preventing strategic bombing Ichang looses a lot of its value.

Graymane -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/17/2009 2:09:31 PM)
I'll be following. Be interesting to see how this one plays out.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/17/2009 3:56:58 PM)
quote: Edit: I recommend sending a lot more Adens to Pt. Arthur. Resources are accumulating there fast. I'm up to about 20 right now. Told you Pt. Arthur would have a ton of resources quickly [:D] It's a real nice option if the Shikuka route gets heavy sub attention. Mike, an unrelated suggestion, I'd also think about upgrading your CVL carrier planes quickly to Zero's and replace the Jean's, and the Claudes in Kwajalein. I think Kwajalein requires the 11th Command HQ there though, the bases there are not big enough to upgrade on their own, or ship them quickly using the Taiyo escort carrier to Takao. They can be a nasty surprise early and really helps the defensive capability of little KB. Don't neglect to protect your forward bases early from raids either, especially if no surface ships are at hand and your opponent is aggressive (I'm learning this the hard way in another game). In particular Babeldoab, Truk, and Kwajalein. Also, set all your air squardons on your CV's to "resize to fit ship" they are not all at full complement at start I believe. I had some resize from 18 to 21 for Zeros I think, and 18 to 27 for Bombers. Nothing like more offensive capability [;)] Just some things I've learned.

jwilkerson -> RE: Here we go again! tc464 (A) vs. Mike (J) - No tc464 (12/18/2009 1:14:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Philippines There was very little Allied air power today. I sweep over all the occupied Allied airfields and ran into only 2 P-49Es, shooting down one. Lockheed P-49E Lightning The P-49E introduced power-boosted ailerons. These consisted of ailerons that were operated by a hydraulically-actuated bell-crank and push-pull rod, making it easier for the pilot to maneuver the airplane at high airspeeds. This boosting system was one of the first applications of powered controls to any fighter, and required only 17 percent of the previous stick forces. The hydraulic aileron booster system vastly improved the roll rate and thereby increased the effectiveness of the P-49 in combat. P-49Es with power-boosted ailerons proved to have the highest roll-rates of any fighter. (a bit scary if you ask me!!!)

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