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Historiker -> US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 11:40:11 AM)

Are they published online on an official Website?
Especially the Bills from WW1 to WW2



DivePac88 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 2:07:38 PM)

Do you mean budget like this;

[image]local://upfiles/30275/F96284C3276E4BC19AF91FB2980734D8.jpg[/image]



PaxMondo -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 2:16:58 PM)

Yes, they are.  I've got paper copies here somewhere of DoD purchase/payment rec's for a bunch of naval items and also B-17's etc.  Just not sure which pile those are in ....



Historiker -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 2:17:24 PM)

No.

1916, the construction fo 10 BBs, 6 BCs... was authorized with a navy bill. Do the US publish their laws/bills in the internet - as Germany does? I mean a scan or something like that from the original document. At least an official transcript.



Shark7 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 4:54:27 PM)

I think he means the the law authorizing construction from Congress, rather than the expenditures. That information could *probably* be found in the Library of Congress.



Historiker -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 5:17:23 PM)

Online? [&:]



oldman45 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 6:18:56 PM)

You can start here

library of congress



JWE -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 6:41:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker
Online? [&:]

No, Sir, unfortunately. We pass more laws in a month than the rest of the world, combined. Putting it online would be a real pain.

You might try signing on with the US Library of Congress - good people, willing to dig. It has all the Congressional Records, back to whenever; including the Vinson-Walsh Act of July 1940, and all the previous stuff. Lots of it is electronic, with a big push to include the earlier stuff.



msieving1 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 7:35:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Online? [&:]

No, Sir, unfortunately. We pass more laws in a month than the rest of the world, combined. Putting it online would be a real pain.



Actually, any current legislation, including not only passed bills but everything that is introduced in Congress, can be found online at http://www.loc.gov/thomas. That only goes back to 1989, so it wouldn't help the OP.

However, a quick search for "1916 navy bill" found this:

Emergency Legislation passed prior to December, 1917



Historiker -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 8:05:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Online? [&:]

No, Sir, unfortunately. We pass more laws in a month than the rest of the world, combined. Putting it online would be a real pain.

You might try signing on with the US Library of Congress - good people, willing to dig. It has all the Congressional Records, back to whenever; including the Vinson-Walsh Act of July 1940, and all the previous stuff. Lots of it is electronic, with a big push to include the earlier stuff.

68% of the world's laws are written in German. No one passes more laws than Germany! [;)]



Historiker -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 8:06:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: msieving1

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ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Online? [&:]

No, Sir, unfortunately. We pass more laws in a month than the rest of the world, combined. Putting it online would be a real pain.



Actually, any current legislation, including not only passed bills but everything that is introduced in Congress, can be found online at http://www.loc.gov/thomas. That only goes back to 1989, so it wouldn't help the OP.

However, a quick search for "1916 navy bill" found this:

Emergency Legislation passed prior to December, 1917

Can you see previews there? I don't see anything despite it says that at least parts are online...



Mike Scholl -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 8:45:01 PM)

Try going to your bookshelf or local library and pulling out a copy of "Conway's All the Worlds Fighting Ships 1922-1946".  The preface to the US segment has a good rundown of all the Naval Authorizations and Appropriations of the period.



Historiker -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/7/2009 9:05:32 PM)

Thank you, I have that book :)
But I'd really less secondary literature and more sources. But it seems that'll be difficult over the net... [:(]



modrow -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/8/2009 12:25:30 AM)

Historiker,

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

68% of the world's laws are written in German. No one passes more laws than Germany! [;)]


I thought that was just relating to our tax-laws... No one has a more complicated system of taxes than Germany [;)]

Hartwig



W T Door -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/8/2009 2:16:12 AM)

There is always the Federal Register, though it's a real slog, since everything that Congress does is in there.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/9/2009 5:41:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: W T Door

There is always the Federal Register, though it's a real slog, since everything that Congress does is in there.


You're talking about the Congressional Record, and that doesn't have anything close to the complete record of what Congress does. Most congressional work is done in committees, and transcripts of those sessions is not in the Record, which already runs about 275 pages per day. The CR records what's done on the floor, and some other floor-related things. Members can insert text afterward which they never uttered on the floor as well.

The Federal Register is the record of ADMINISTRATIVE rules and regs. of executive branch departments and agencies. It is truly massive. Last time I used a law library to reference it the bound volumes for the currrent edition (it's updated in cycles over years; the whole thing is too big to do at once) took up roughly thirty linear feet. And that doesn't include millions of pages of administrative case law, the Tax COurt records, or bankruptcy court records.

I seriously doubt if any nation has more laws and regulations that the USA.



Skyros -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/19/2009 2:30:43 AM)

hISTORIKOR HERE IS SOME INFORMATION, i HOPE IT MIGHT HELP.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/scn-1933-roosevelt.htm



Skyros -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/19/2009 2:41:28 AM)

Check this book out it may have info that will help.

The Treaty Navy: The Story of the US Naval Service Between the World Wars
By James W Hammond, Jr

http://books.google.com/books?id=hUhwWO3Fl_wC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=vinson+trammell+act&source=bl&ots=zjDB_utPpn&sig=kL4bV19qquh-u0PAMEKnRutZ_L4&hl=en&ei=fK4ES_zvGcb-nAecsrBl&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBkQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false



Shark7 -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/19/2009 2:43:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker


quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Online? [&:]

No, Sir, unfortunately. We pass more laws in a month than the rest of the world, combined. Putting it online would be a real pain.

You might try signing on with the US Library of Congress - good people, willing to dig. It has all the Congressional Records, back to whenever; including the Vinson-Walsh Act of July 1940, and all the previous stuff. Lots of it is electronic, with a big push to include the earlier stuff.

68% of the world's laws are written in German. No one passes more laws than Germany! [;)]


You've never seen the US Congress in action...and most of it is pork barrel spending that is totally unnecessary. [8|]



Mike Scholl -> RE: US Naval Bills (11/19/2009 4:49:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Shark7
You've never seen the US Congress in action...and most of it is pork barrel spending that is totally unnecessary. [8|]



Aren't those technically Appropriations? Though I guess those are laws as well. And if you count every stupid "rider" attached to any bill, the US Congress probably writes more "laws" than the rest of the world combined in it's never-ending efforts to waste our money faster than we can make it.



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