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FatR -> A question about the historical first turn. (11/16/2009 11:46:24 PM)

Recently, I've run the initial Japanese attack several times, with "Historical first turn off", to test how various alternative plans and tricks. I've noticed two strange things. First, Japanese LBA just refuses to bomb Manila port on the first turn, pretty much regardless of my orders (even if all that flies from Formosa on 07.12 is this attack and preliminary sweeps). Second, Pearl Harbor attack consistently does much, much less damage with the historical first turn off. There is a recurring problem with Zuikaku-3 arriving only after the main strike, even if you try to change KB position, and on a whole torpedo attacks seem much less accurate. With the historical first turn on, you generally see at least 1-2 and often more battleships sank on the spot, and more being in danger of sinking. But when it is off, my usual results were 1-2 battleships in danger and non-threatening damage to the rest, with just a handful hits to other warships (with surprise ON). These results were fairly stable, unlike outcomes of other engagements. Is the game supposed to work like this? Or did I just met some bugs?

I apologize, if these questions were asked already.




PaxMondo -> RE: A question about the historical first turn. (11/17/2009 1:38:57 AM)

I've seen the same thing related to results: can't ever get close to the historical results.  As you say, max damage is 1 -2 BB's hurt bad, but not sunk. 

I have to leave the KB hovering for at least 2 days to replicate the results.  Againsy AI, ok, in PBEM I would get killed.




WITPPL -> RE: A question about the historical first turn. (11/17/2009 8:31:50 AM)

PLUS: Issue with Indochina LBs (Betties and Nells) which often do not flight at all on a mission different than Naval Attack.
PLUS: British planes very active from Malaya

which gives a pretty funny picture of a begining of this conflict. Brits are flying, Japanese are not.

Dec 7th suprise on.





WITPPL -> RE: A question about the historical first turn. (11/17/2009 8:33:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatR

Recently, I've run the initial Japanese attack several times, with "Historical first turn off", to test how various alternative plans and tricks. I've noticed two strange things. First, Japanese LBA just refuses to bomb Manila port on the first turn, pretty much regardless of my orders (even if all that flies from Formosa on 07.12 is this attack and preliminary sweeps). Second, Pearl Harbor attack consistently does much, much less damage with the historical first turn off. There is a recurring problem with Zuikaku-3 arriving only after the main strike, even if you try to change KB position, and on a whole torpedo attacks seem much less accurate. With the historical first turn on, you generally see at least 1-2 and often more battleships sank on the spot, and more being in danger of sinking. But when it is off, my usual results were 1-2 battleships in danger and non-threatening damage to the rest, with just a handful hits to other warships (with surprise ON). These results were fairly stable, unlike outcomes of other engagements. Is the game supposed to work like this? Or did I just met some bugs?

I apologize, if these questions were asked already.


You should check if Your Dec 7th suprise setting is on.





Anthropoid -> RE: A question about the historical first turn. (11/17/2009 9:46:23 AM)

With Hakko Ichiu, the Jap AI (Hard Diff) sank about 6 BBs in the first wave at Pearl (along with 4 DDs and sundry other ships) and then came back and sank 2 more.




Mike Scholl -> RE: A question about the historical first turn. (11/17/2009 10:32:24 AM)

I've played several testing starts in multiple combinations, and the basic results seem to be "Historical/Suprise" averages about 50% more than historical damage at PH; "non-Historical/Suprise" averages a hair less than historical, and "non-Historical/non-Suprise" (but with all defending A/C stood down) averages somewhat less than historical.   In none of those cases do Japanese air losses exceed even half of their historical ones.




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