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Speedysteve -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/8/2009 7:43:01 PM)
Hi all, Thanks T. To confirm - permanently restricted air units - you have to disband them or can you withdraw them? Does it make a difference if you can? Scott - yes my ultimate intention in the Aleutians is to build up one or two of the bases in the west of the chain to provide forward submarine bases. First things first though to secure Dutch. Smeulders - the PH attack was fairly good for me IMO. As you say all but one of the BB's will be out for at least a year or so. The other ships got away quite lightly. A couple of Cruisers have 20ish damage. Mike - LOL. At this stage of the war that's a substantial convoy for me[;)] As for subs I'll detail in more depth later if desired. My initial deployments with be centered around using patrol zones - normally covering 7-12 hexes. These quite often overlap with other subs. Some subs are instead patrolling point to point upto 270 miles distance. Others still are heading to a particular hex and will remain on station with a reaction of 6 hexes. I had pretty good success against the AI in my other GC but that was on the last patch. It will be intruiging to see if I have the same success in AE as I did in WiTP. ------------------------------------- I've sent my initial orders to forces in the South Pacific - what forces there are that is! All forces in Australia have been set to Rest/Training except 1st Aussie Bde which is embarking on trains upto Cairns before being airlifted to PM. Also reinforcing PM will be 25K Supply from Sydney and the Catalina's at PM are picking up the dispersed units at Rabaul and Lae etc. I'm also sending 20Kish supply from Sydney to Noumea. Other than that i'm not doing much with Australia for now. Unless anyone else has ideas there's little there that's trained and ready to move anywhere and as we all know there's almost non-existant airforces and sea forces there. I am mustering the Aussie/NZ Warships at Sydney who will then proceed northwards to counter invasions. I'm moving some TK's upto Java and Balikpapan to load up on fuel. Luzon ah Luzon. Faber's initial landings are interesting. He's, so far at least, landed with small forces in the NE and SE of Luzon. I have a PI Division 45 miles march way from each landing site. It's hard to judge what will happen next. Faber may have forces en route within a day or 2 or maybe longer. Could it be a trick to lure me out of Clark/Manila/Bataan etc? IF so i'm not falling for that BUT I am sending a division to Vigan and 2 x PI Divisions to Atimonan. If more force arrives then i'll bug out to the strong centre. What are people's thoughts on Luzon defence? Traditionally I hold out at Clark and then fall back on Bataan. All P40's are set at 70% CAP at varying altitudes. I've also replaced the leaders with aggresssive ones. Clark's B17's will attempt to hit Takao's airfields. The P26's and Seagulls are set to bomb enemy shipping. All Subs have been deployed to patrol areas ranging from Japan to Indochina. The PT's are heading to intercept enemy shipping at Vigan. I assume the 2 (worth saving) BF's in PI are the Cebu and Cavite USN ones? I'm sending shipping to load them both up. Boise, Houston and DD's are gathering at Iloilo for now. CL Marblehead TF will proceed at full speed to the enemy landings at Menado.

Terminus -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/8/2009 8:10:15 PM)
Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units.

khyberbill -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/8/2009 9:22:55 PM)
quote: Thanks T. To confirm - permanently restricted air units - you have to disband them or can you withdraw them? Does it make a difference if you can? Some units with withdrawal dates can be withdrawn as opposed to being disbanded. You will get PP for these. If there are airfames in the unit that you want, then upgrade before withdrawal.

Smeulders -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/8/2009 9:58:24 PM)
You can also decline the PP and get the planes and pilots instead. Edit : On the Luzon defense, holing up in a fortress is probably the best thing you can do. An aggressive defence is possible, just look at the 'World Defence' AAR, but only if your opponent underestimates your forces. If he brings enough force, any forward forces are in a hopeless position, just look at my AAR when it updates. [:(]

crsutton -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/9/2009 5:51:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units. But, with the new patch, you can move all of the good pilots out of restricted air units into the reserve pool and replace them with green pilots for training. They (good pilots) then can be reassigned to front line units. Not a bad thing as the Allies are critically short of trained pilots for a good while. I suspect this was an oversight and will be corrected in a later patch.

Speedysteve -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/9/2009 4:21:54 PM)
Hi all, Thanks for your above responses. ----------------------- The final orders have been sent and the turn is back over with Faber! To summarise my other decisions for the turn. Malaya - BB POW is at 51/85(48 MJR)/4 and is 120 miles out from Singapore. I am CAPing her with Buffalo's and hoping she'll limp back ot Singapore for recovery. The rest of Malaya is put on war footing. I am already moving/preparing most of my northern forces for Malacca. I'm bugging out of Kota Bharu and Kuantan. The Punjab Bn at Georgetown is being loaded on AK's and will head for the Andaman Islands as a small garrison there. Blenheim's will attempt to bomb Japanese airfields in Southern Thailand. All TB's have been flown into Singapore and will attempt to attack any enemy shipping that comes within 180 miles. All available TK/AO in the SRA are heading to either Balikpapan, Soerabaya or Palembang to load up fuel. At present I have a lot of AK/AP's sitting around not doing much. I'll decide what to do with them over the coming days. Any thoughts? Almost everything in Java is resting and training for the upcoming battle. Every sub is ordered out to sea. I've also replaced some of the less skilled and aggressive USN Sub Skippers at Manila. I'd rather they attacked more often than not since it's a law of odds and the more die I'm rolling the more chance of a hit. I'm concentrating my available Dutch/British CL/DD forces at Palembang for use against any northern Borneo invasions - other than CL Marblehead TF (heading towards Menado) and British DD's at Hong Kong are heading to Japanese ports east to raid (along with PT's). India - not much to order here at present! Most forces are set to rest/train. I'm sending the seaborne Indian Bde's to Calcutta (apart from the 45th to Trincomalee). Burma - consolidation. I'm centering forces at Pegu. Depending on what Faber brings I will either stand or run back and run straight back into India. AVG will ultimately be used over Rangoon. It's training/resting at the mo. China - oh China. What a mess. It will be easier to explain this with the aid of a screenshot which I will do so next turn. In short. I'm moving back in some areas and forward in others - notably Ichang. Most bases are building forts and all rear cities are resting/training LCU's. Russia - rest and train. As a sidenote every LCU/Air group has replacements turned OFF except an Indian Bde at Karachi, Chinese units at Chungking, Russian units and some LCU's in the US.

Mynok -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/9/2009 4:39:31 PM)
quote: within 180 miles Four and a half hexes?!?! [8D]

khyberbill -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/9/2009 6:51:09 PM)
quote: I'm centering forces at Pegu. Depending on what Faber brings I will either stand or run back and run straight back into India. It is easy to be out flanked at Pegu. The forces you have there now also are probably very low on experience. If you are pushed back at Pegu, you end up in Rangoon and it is difficult to extract yourself from that place.

crsutton -> RE: Air Raid Pearl Harbour! This is no drill..... (12/9/2009 8:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Permanently restricted air units can't be withdrawn, but must be disbanded. They're units who were transferred out of theatre, and we don't want their planes and pilots to go into the pool and be usable by other units. But, with the new patch, you can move all of the good pilots out of restricted air units into the reserve pool and replace them with green pilots for training. They (good pilots) then can be reassigned to front line units. Not a bad thing as the Allies are critically short of trained pilots for a good while. I suspect this was an oversight and will be corrected in a later patch. Never mind. I think 2.0 just changed this option...[X(]

Speedysteve -> 8th December 1942 (12/9/2009 8:53:28 PM)
Hi all, Khyberbill - I'll need to look at the map to confirm but surely you can only be outflanked from Rangoon? -------------------- Faber's run the combat's for this turn. KB moved away west from PH! I'm a little surprised at this since He could have smashed a few more BB's. I suppose the extra AA losses to his planes would hurt a fair bit though. Plenty of surfaceaction as Allied and Japanese forces tangled off Menado. The CL Marblehead force raced towards the Japanese landings encountering an escort headed up by CA Chokai. Other than DD Stewart taking heavy damage with 4 shells the Allies mamaged to pierce the escort and heavily daamge 2 x xAKL's. DD's Thanet, Thracian and Scout had a fun day patrolling off Pescadores. During the night they were warded off by DD's Minegumo and Samidare with ineffectual combat. They skirted around them during the day and heavily damaged 2 x xAK taking out a lot of enemy equipment (looks like a BF). A Japanese cruiser force took out 4 x PT's near Vigan. Elsewhere TK Manatawny was chased down and sunk by DD Yugumo and Hokaze fleeing Legaspi. AM Quail struck a Japanese mine and floundered off Bataan. A Zero sweep bagged severla P40's over Luzon for little loss in return. Clark's B17's bombed Takao's airfields destroying a couple of planes on the ground. More Japanese forces landed at Aparri and took it. Patrols spotted several more TF's approaching Vigan. Ternate fell but the Menado Dutch held the Japanese back. Tarawa also fell to the Japanese. Little happened over Malaya except Japanese raids on Kota Bharu, Georgetown and Alor Star. BB POW is still afloat (not sure of condition though)! Mini-KB reported SE of Davao. --------------------------- Oh I almost forgot [;)] My submarines achieved notable successes on the first day. The first probable victim of the war was DMS W-4 by SS KXIV at Brunei blowing her up. Later in the day she also hit xAK Meiten Maru with a torpedo. SS KXI reportedly hit 2 Japanese ships off Kota Bharu - xAK Iburi Maru (1 torpedo) and xAK Awajisan Maru (2 torpedoes). SS S-39 heavily damaged DMS W-14 off Atimonan with 2 torpedoes. She was heavily damaged in return by Japanese patrol vessels. [image]local://upfiles/4211/E7DEF4FE04FE447BBCA72DA1B16BB4E2.jpg[/image]

Speedysteve -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/9/2009 8:55:07 PM)
Hi all, Do you like sthis style by the way? I'm trying to report stuff succinctly but would you prefer it like it is? Summarise by region? By combat type (surface, submarine etc)? LEss detail? More detail etc?

ny59giants -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/9/2009 10:47:06 PM)
I've done my prior AARs by region and find those types easier to follow along. Subs and ASW were a separate listing that is important. I think ASW tactics are still evolving in AE and many players are struggling as the Allied player in killing Japanese subs. The only major ships I want to know about is what you plan to do with your limited CVs.

Terminus -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/9/2009 11:27:00 PM)
I'd concur with that. Region by region is easier to follow.

khyberbill -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/9/2009 11:48:06 PM)
quote: Khyberbill - I'll need to look at the map to confirm but surely you can only be outflanked from Rangoon? Speedy, From the hex directly across the river from Pegu, the Imperialist Horde can either attack directly across the river to Pegu or one hex to the NE, on the RR from Pegu to Toungoo. hmmm, should be able to do a limerick with this...there was once a lass from pegu, who fancied a lad from toungoo...oops, this is a family forum.

Speedysteve -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:11:27 PM)
Hi all, Thanks for the (limited) feedback. I'll summarise by regions from now on but will not include everything. Just the big/important stuff. khyberbill - hmm. I've attached a screenshot of the area. I think Pegu is relatively 'safe' from outflanking since the hex to the NE of the 'Japanese side' is a trail. If they move there I can outpace them by running away NE on the road/rail no? [image]local://upfiles/4211/79A16F05F31146D997D08D74437A41CB.jpg[/image]

Speedysteve -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:14:41 PM)
Here's a look at China. I'm concentrating forces on Ichang, to the twin cities NE of that Forgotten their name - west of Kaifeng?) and lastly on Nanchang. Of course I expect Faber will not sit back and I expect him to steamroller over some places - in particular west from Shanghai and from the Suchow area: [image]local://upfiles/4211/A7086D1249F14EBF9F9F6AD8CB15B273.jpg[/image]

Terminus -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:20:45 PM)
Remember that your forces in Burma aren't that motorized, so they won't be doing much "running", no matter the terrain.

Smeulders -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:34:14 PM)
True, the position is hard to outflank, but holding Pegu with significant forces is still dangerous. If forced to retreat, your forces will go to Rangoon, leaving the road North from Pegu to the Japanese. This road is shorter than the road from Rangoon and the Japanese have more motorized units, so your opponent will probably reach the Mandalay area faster than you will. If your opponent than finds a way to cut the Akyab road (paratroopers or something similar) your army is in big trouble.

Speedysteve -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:45:36 PM)
Hmm. Fair point T. I'll whip them into shape. Nothing like the smell of fresh brew to get us Limeys moving[;)] ----------------------------------------------------- Here's Luzon showing the mass of submarines fanning out. The blue arrows indicate PI Divisions advancing on the small Japanese landing sites. The red arrow shows the mass of advancing Japanese TF's. The orange circle is Houston/Boise TF which will proceed to Atimonan tomorrow all being well. --------------------------- Some further updates now I've entered my 9th December orders. DD Stewart sank off Manado. 15 x P40's were lost over Luzon yesterday! They're all resting tomorrrow except CAP over Manila protecting the transports loading up Cavite BF and TK's loading fuel. BB POW is still alfoat 90 miles from Singapore in much the same condition as yesterday. Buffalos still fly CAP over her. [image]local://upfiles/4211/39B956DB460140F0BEBA1B005C028733.jpg[/image]

Terminus -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 12:54:51 PM)
I'm surprised the Penguin hasn't finished off the Prince of Wales yet. Your flying ruminants wouldn't be able to stop a concerted air attack. Are his fliers busy in Malaya?

Speedysteve -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 1:13:36 PM)
Yes and no T. Bad weather was prevalent across the region yesterday. Japanese air attacks by Lillys and Sallys were reported at Georgetown, Alor Star and Kota Bharu but nothing further south.

Speedysteve -> 9th December 1941 (12/10/2009 4:33:31 PM)
Hi all, Another day of furious combat.......... ------------------------------------------------ PI - Recon reports more Japanese troops have been landed at Vigan. As such the advancing PI division has been told to turn around and head back to Clark Field. We continue to advance on Atimonan with 2 x PI Divisions. CA Houston/CL Boise TF encountered a Japanese CL and DD's near Atimonan and both sides fought a running battle causing little damage except some holes in one of my DD's which is now heading to Tarakan. The rest of the force will attempt to force the beachhead again tomorrow. Zero sweeps only netted 3 P40's today for the loss of 4 reported Zeroes. Nells and Betties roamed the coast line today and sank AK Yu Sang, AP President Madison and AO Pecos. The AP was carrying elements of the Cavite BF which hurts. I'll try to get out what I can now before the area becomes too hot permanently. -------------------------- Manado - a failed attack by the Japanese today. The Dutch continue to fight! -------------------------- Malaya - More Japanese forces landed at Kota Bharu today and almost stormed the Allied Lines. I expect my men to be pushed back tomorrow. No Japanese air attacks on Singapore (this is surprising) only in northern Malaya against my empty airfields. BB Prince of Wales survived and reached Singapore. Excellent seamanship by my comrades there! She's in the Shipyard now. Troops continue to slowly head south towards Malacca. --------------------- Rest of the Pacific - CA Louisville had a fun filled day around Nauru Island encountering a small Japanese invasion force. She scattered the virtually unprotected force chasing down and sinking 3 troop laden freighters. Ocean Island fell to the Japanese. KB has disappeared. Probably south of Midway. US CV's are ESE of Johnston Island heading east and will ultimately head back to the WC. ---------------------------------------------- Sub actions - SS I-154 reportedly hit a mine and sunk at Singapore. SS KXVI blew up PB Heiei Maru 7 with 3 torpedoes near Manado. SS Pike heavily damaged xAK Yamagiku Maru with a torpedo near Vigan. SS KXIII and KXVII co-ordinated near Kota Bharu heavily damaging xAK's Ikuta Maru and Teihoku Maru with a torpedo.

Terminus -> RE: 9th December 1941 (12/10/2009 4:44:43 PM)
What IS the "Price" of Wales these days?[:'(]

khyberbill -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 5:09:07 PM)
quote: khyberbill - hmm. I've attached a screenshot of the area. I think Pegu is relatively 'safe' from outflanking since the hex to the NE of the 'Japanese side' is a trail. If they move there I can outpace them by running away NE on the road/rail no? You will be surprised how fast their armor can get there!

Mistmatz -> RE: 8th December 1942 (12/10/2009 6:19:38 PM)
Regarding Burma... If you try to hold Pegu you're almost definately outflanked by troops entering the hex east of it and then cross the river to the hex NE of Pegu cutting your whole stuff up near Rangoon as others already mentioned. On the other hand China needs any supply it can get, so delaying the fall of Rangoon and the burma road might be worth taking a risk. In my game I'm amassing forces in the hex between Pegu and Moulmein. It gives you the jungle bonus plus _two_ river crossing assaults are needed by the japanese. Of course this is also outflankable if the japanese comes via Chiang Mai but then you should have enough time to either retreat to Rangoon or up the hills towards Mandalay. My 2 cents.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: 9th December 1941 (12/10/2009 8:28:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus What IS the "Price" of Wales these days?[:'(] "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?" --"A Man For All Seasons"

Speedysteve -> 10th December 1941 (12/11/2009 3:54:57 PM)
Hi all, Thanks for your thoughts on Burma guys. Something to think on for sure. It made me think last night that the benefit of hindsight not only helps the Japanese but also the Allies. Burma is a prime example in this in that we all know we can't really hold back the Japanese if they advance in force. Another apparent example is the use of CA Louisville in operations around Nauru and Ocean Islands. ----------------------------------- PI - CA Houston/CL Boise TF headed towards Antimonan again and encountered a Japanese DD force. Poor gunnery on both sides that only led to DD Ariake taking heavy damage and DD's Peary and John D. Ford taking hits on my side. These 2 Four-Stackers were later sunk by Kate TB's from a suspected CVL East of Luzon. Further Japanese landings occured in the NE of Luzon. I expect a lot of pressure to move inland soon. I'm still moving towards Antimonan for now. My P40's had a good day over Luzon's skies. Japanese bombers appeared unescorted whilst attacking land and naval targets. About 20 appear to have been shot down. Japanese airpower did make itself felt though where Allied fighters were not. 6 x AK and a PG were sunk. The seas are becoming dangerous to be in! CL Tromp TF will investigate the seas around Manado tomorrrow. ------------------------------ Malaya - The Japanese land assault started today when the Allies were smashed back SW of Kota Bharu in disaray. Allied troops are abandoning Alor Star tomorrow for Malacca. Georgetown will follow. Allied LBA attempted to bomb enemy troop positions near Singora but Japanese Nate fighters were on patrol shooting down 6 bombers. A large Allied CL/DD force at Kuching and will investigate the Japanese landings at Miri tomorrow. ---------------------------- KB is 8 hexes NW of Johnston Island with it's Replenishment TF. ---------------------------- Subs - SS KXIII heavily damaged DD Oshio with a torpedo of Kota Bharu. SS KXVI hit APD Fuji with a torpedo off Djailolo. SS Salmon heavily damaged DD Satsuki with a torpedo near Laoag. SS O20 sank xAK Hokko Maru with a torpedo near the beaches at Miri. Japanese submarines had their first successes of the war in decimating a 4 x TK fuel convoy leaving Palembang for Perth. 3 of the 4 TK's were blown up through the day....the 4th scurried away south......

Chad Harrison -> RE: 10th December 1941 (12/12/2009 12:48:32 PM)
Hey Steve Just saw your new AAR against the evil penguin. Best of luck! Will be following this one for sure. Just show his carriers the same . . . attention . . . that you showed mine and youll do fine! [:D]

Speedysteve -> 11-14th December 1941 - PI (12/14/2009 11:27:16 AM)
Hi all, 4 day update. ----------------------------------------- PI - The past few days have seen an ever increasing threat of Japanese airpower from Formosa and from 2 small CVL/CVE TF's operating east of Luzon and inbetween Mindanao and Tarakan. They have effectively shut down most ship movement in the area and have sunk: DD - 3 AK - 6 CL - Marblehead AP - 1 Zeroes are sweeping almost daily over Luzon making any CAP hazardous at best (lost something like 20 x P40 for about 5 x Zero). I've basically evac'd all shipping from PI. What's left of the Cebu and Cavite BF TF's are trying towind around the eastern side of Mindanao before heading to Perth. All forces on Luzon are slowly heading back to Clark Field for a stand before Bataan. The only little bright spot from here recently has been the B17's have been launching raids against Industry in the area - from Formosa to most recently Tarakan's Oilfields. CL Boise TF went on a suicide run against Japanese shipping around Takao. They (CL Boise + 3 x DD) performed heroically though and took a lot of the enemy with them ( PB - 4, SC - 2, heavily damaged CL Kinu and even got 2 sheels into CVE Hosho) before being overwhelmed by Japanese CA's. [image]local://upfiles/4211/6FE535D5805B4B7FA6852D6E59B8F743.jpg[/image]

Speedysteve -> RE: 11-14th December 1941 - Borneo (12/14/2009 11:31:36 AM)
Hi all, 4 day update. ------------------------------- Borneo - Been a hot bed of action recently with the Japanese invasion of Tarakan supported by CVL Ryujo. Recon had detected the invasion force so I sent CL Marblehead + 4 x DD's to intercept. They cleaned house sinking 2 x DMS, 3 x AMc, 5 x PB, 1 x AO, 1 x TK, 4 x AK and 1 x AP unfortunatley after they'd unloaded. Knowing the risk though they were hit heavily on the return to Balikpapan by Ryujo's Kates and CL Marblehead was sunk and DD Paul Jones heavily damaged. Tarakan has fallen as has all of NE Borneo. [image]local://upfiles/4211/79A06367F04E4722A56DBC8F8BC65502.jpg[/image]

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