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Speedysteve -> 30th September 1944 (8/10/2013 6:55:41 PM)
Hi all, Back from holiday. Had a good week's walking. Only 1 wet day which is a success for The Lake District! Malaya: More troops are ashore at Malacca (about 2/3 of them now). Malacca was easily taken and the 1st Raiding Rgt was destroyed in it's capture wiping out 450 enemies. Engineers are commencing work on the AF's (currently level 1) and forts. Fighters should be landed and active within 2 days. Interestingly SS Cero spotted a probable CV TF heading west past Luzon. They'll probably be on the scene within 2-3 days. By then potentially 100 x P47/P51 will be active from Malacca to bolster my CV fighters. Could be fun :-) A small 2 x DD TF was also located off Batavia and attacked by an SBD Sqn from Oosthaven. DD Fujinami was reported heavily damaged by a bomb hit. ----------------------- Mariana's: The Japs continue to resist on both Tinian and Guam: Ground combat at Tinian (108,94) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 61203 troops, 1386 guns, 1343 vehicles, Assault Value = 1894 Defending force 34036 troops, 354 guns, 262 vehicles, Assault Value = 670 Allied adjusted assault: 2188 Japanese adjusted defense: 2457 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2433 casualties reported Squads: 43 destroyed, 93 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 46 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled Guns lost 43 (2 destroyed, 41 disabled) Vehicles lost 25 (10 destroyed, 15 disabled) Allied ground losses: 993 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 152 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 48 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled Guns lost 51 (2 destroyed, 49 disabled) Vehicles lost 87 (20 destroyed, 67 disabled) And: Ground combat at Guam (106,95) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 59926 troops, 1333 guns, 1512 vehicles, Assault Value = 2051 Defending force 31108 troops, 250 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 805 Allied adjusted assault: 858 Japanese adjusted defense: 1023 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 8) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2664 casualties reported Squads: 21 destroyed, 260 disabled Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 50 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled Guns lost 51 (4 destroyed, 47 disabled) Vehicles lost 38 (22 destroyed, 16 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2118 casualties reported Squads: 18 destroyed, 212 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Guns lost 62 (5 destroyed, 57 disabled) Vehicles lost 63 (3 destroyed, 60 disabled) Tinian should capitulate within a week at this rate though. ---------------------- Submarine Warfare: 1 x dud/missed attack. SS Cero attacked and damaged CA Nachi (from the probable CV TF) with 2 torpedoes west of Luzon.

Speedysteve -> End of September 1944......... (8/11/2013 2:30:20 PM)
Hi all, September was an active month with further invasions in CentPac (Tinian/Guam), Ternate in southern SRA and at Malacca in Malaya. The only Japanese responses, to date, to these invasions have been with airpower (which has been ineffective and not hit anything) and the damnable submarines which have been more successful (the most successful sinking CV Wasp). Ternate and Malacca fell quickly but the Japs are stubbornly resisting on both Tinian and Guam. The plans for October are the taking of Tinian and Guam, further invasions in southern SRA (Morotai, Talaud and Manado) and the follow up invasion in Malaya at Mersing. The existing troops at Malacca will hold tight to build up the base and to gauge what Faber will do. A poor month for my subs though. Much fewer sightings and less successful attacks. I'd have a guess this is due to a combination of factors (a reduction of enemy held territory and oilfields means fewer enemy convoys and this means more subs in a limited area for the ASW assets to detect and sink them). In terms of reinforcements October will see the arrival of TBM-3's for the US and Seafire L.III's and Thud II's for the Brits. On sea CV Indefatigable, BB King George V, CL Astoria II and 8 x SS are the highlights. ----------------------- Points: Allies: +1,761 points Japanese: +1,073 points Bases: Allies: +3 (+205 points) Japanese: -3 (-395 points) Planes: Allies: +725 lost Japanese: +969 lost Troops: Allies: +98 lost Japanese: +177 lost Ships: Allies: +30 lost (+645 points. CV Wasp, 5 x SS, 2 by Subs, a bunch by collision and the rest by the ridiculously overpowered MTB's.) Japanese: +72 lost (+434 points. Many of these by Allied CV air around the Mariana's, 6 x SS and the rest by subs). ------------------------------- Sub Kills: 15 of 35 attacks were successful = 42.86% success! Dutch Boats: PB - 5 (1 mine) AK - 35 (+1) TK - 10 (-1) CM - 6 DD - 4 TB - 1 DMS - 3 (-1) E - 1 APD - 1 ACM - 1 AP - 1 AMC - 1 = 69 ships ------------------------------- British Boats: DD - 1 (1 mine) AK - 11 (1 mine) SC - 1 PB - 2 TK - 2 AO - 1 SS - 3 (2 mine) DMS - 1 (1 mine) (+1) = 22 ships ------------------------------- Fleet Boats: AK - 295 (-4) SC - 25 (+5) AP - 15 PB - 53 TK - 73 (+3) AKE - 1 CM - 6 ACM - 2 E - 33 APD - 2 DD - 9 CL - 1 (Oi) AO - 9 PC - 1 AMC - 1 AV - 2 AM - 1 (1 mine) SS - 2 (+1) DMS - 4 CVE - 1 (Chuyo) = 535 ships -------------------------------- S-Boats: AK - 21 (-1) AP - 2 CM - 1 PB - 5 DMS - 1 SC - 7 TK - 4 = 41 ships = 667 ships = 52.31% of reported sunk ships total. [image]local://upfiles/4211/4283B47168024C7EB4CEE5049C99FC9C.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: End of September 1944......... (8/11/2013 3:02:05 PM)
Welcome back Speedy! [:)] I still wish I did 1/10th as well as you on the sub war.

Speedysteve -> 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 10:29:40 AM)
Hi all, Mariana's: Same old same old here. CV's still on station protecting the supply ships and follow on support forces still aboard transports. No Jap further Jap response here. Tough fighting still on Guam with no reduction in forts but a gradual weakening of Jap forces on the ground. Tinian is creaking though: Ground combat at Tinian (108,94) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 61765 troops, 1392 guns, 1370 vehicles, Assault Value = 1809 Defending force 32651 troops, 355 guns, 255 vehicles, Assault Value = 545 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 1444 Japanese adjusted defense: 1111 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-) experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2311 casualties reported Squads: 133 destroyed, 43 disabled Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 50 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 45 (24 destroyed, 21 disabled) Vehicles lost 28 (14 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1738 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 291 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 44 disabled Guns lost 52 (4 destroyed, 48 disabled) Vehicles lost 41 (1 destroyed, 40 disabled) ------------------------- SRA: An empty Morotai was taken by Cavalry Cdo troops on the 4th. Once supply is unloaded ships will head back to Ambon to load up troops for Manado. ------------------------- Darwin: Never been too fussed with this region but with the Jap positions in retreat everywhere I decided to push into northern Australia after building up the bases in central Aus to support greater supply flow. Darwin has been cut off and recon indicates the main enemy unit is 20th Division. Attacks go in tomorrow with support from over 100 x B24J. ------------------------- Sumatra: Either the Japs became desperate at Palembang or Faber thought I had abandoned Palembang as all of the Jap forces at Palembang flung themselves over the river SW into the Allied defences. It was a calamity from their perspective: Ground combat at Praboemoelih (48,92) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 64087 troops, 817 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2334 Defending force 16752 troops, 277 guns, 579 vehicles, Assault Value = 533 Japanese adjusted assault: 1243 Allied adjusted defense: 850 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 10870 casualties reported Squads: 103 destroyed, 485 disabled Non Combat: 109 destroyed, 59 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 90 (23 destroyed, 67 disabled) Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 754 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 78 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 76 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled Guns lost 40 (7 destroyed, 33 disabled) Vehicles lost 84 (3 destroyed, 81 disabled) Assaulting units: 58th Infantry Regiment 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade 21st Division 3rd Tank Division 1st South Seas Det. 18th Garrison Unit 6th Guards Inf. Regiment 8th Division 36th Infantry Regiment 32nd Ind.Mixed Bde /1 34th Ind.Mixed Brigade 138th Infantry Regiment 2nd Amphibious Brigade 46th Div /1 1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 31st Mountain Gun Regiment 3rd Mortar Battalion 69th Field AA Battalion 51st Field AA Battalion 1st Guards Field Artillery Regiment 55th Const Co 68th Field AA Battalion 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 23rd AA Regiment 2nd Area Army 1st JAAF Base Force 21th JNAF AF Unit 34th Road Const Co 28th Air Flotilla 32nd Port Unit 13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion 97th JAAF AF Bn Defending units: 706th Tank Battalion 364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 1st Filipino Inf Regiment 711th Tank Battalion 99th Indian Brigade 46th Construction Regiment 76th Coast AA Regiment 126th RAF Base Force 88th Medium Regiment 341 Wing More than happy with this. Allied forces (from Djambi. 550 x AV) will be in Palembang in 2 days time and will then cut off the Jap forces for annihilation. ---------------------- Malaya: Strangely enough no Jap response here. I wonder if the economic conditions are kicking in now. The final equipment is being unloaded at Malacca. Can't wait for it to be off and then we'll head back to pick up the next phase of troops at Oosthaven. Malacca has level 3 forts and will be at level 2 AF in 3 days. Once that happens I'll have 100 x frontline fighters on CAP. ----------------------- Submarine Warfare: 1 x dud/missed attack. SS Jallao sank AK Yamakaze Maru near Jesselton on the 1st. SS Cero claimed DD Amagiri sank with a torpedo NW of Luzon. SS Salmon sank TK Sekino Maru near Sapporo on the 2nd. SS Baya heavily damaged AK Sydney Maru with a torpedo near Soerabaya. On the other side SS Seawolf and SS Tullibee were sunk by ASW escorts. [image]local://upfiles/4211/0247C6B7DAA84CC395141277DE6586BA.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 11:52:33 AM)
Ground combat at Praboemoelih (48,92) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 64087 troops, 817 guns, 227 vehicles, Assault Value = 2334 Defending force 16752 troops, 277 guns, 579 vehicles, Assault Value = 533 Japanese adjusted assault: 1243 Allied adjusted defense: 850 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 10870 casualties reported Squads: 103 destroyed, 485 disabled Non Combat: 109 destroyed, 59 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 90 (23 destroyed, 67 disabled) Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 754 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 78 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 76 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled Guns lost 40 (7 destroyed, 33 disabled) Vehicles lost 84 (3 destroyed, 81 disabled) Assaulting units: 58th Infantry Regiment 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade 21st Division 3rd Tank Division 1st South Seas Det. 18th Garrison Unit 6th Guards Inf. Regiment 8th Division 36th Infantry Regiment 32nd Ind.Mixed Bde /1 34th Ind.Mixed Brigade 138th Infantry Regiment 2nd Amphibious Brigade 46th Div /1 1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 31st Mountain Gun Regiment 3rd Mortar Battalion 69th Field AA Battalion 51st Field AA Battalion 1st Guards Field Artillery Regiment 55th Const Co 68th Field AA Battalion 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 23rd AA Regiment 2nd Area Army 1st JAAF Base Force 21th JNAF AF Unit 34th Road Const Co 28th Air Flotilla 32nd Port Unit 13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion 97th JAAF AF Bn Defending units: 706th Tank Battalion 364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 1st Filipino Inf Regiment 711th Tank Battalion 99th Indian Brigade 46th Construction Regiment 76th Coast AA Regiment 126th RAF Base Force 88th Medium Regiment 341 Wing More than happy with this. Allied forces (from Djambi. 550 x AV) will be in Palembang in 2 days time and will then cut off the Jap forces for annihilation. [/quote] He won�t like that one! [X(]

Speedysteve -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 12:06:25 PM)
Nope. I do though [;)]

obvert -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 12:18:21 PM)
Yeah, counter attacking dug in Allied troops late in game seems a bad idea. He's likely at the point where he's just trying anything though since Palembang is shutting down and he knows these troops are doomed anyway. I noticed his air losses are quite low. Is he not fighting there much anymore?

Speedysteve -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 1:00:27 PM)
Yes this is my take on it too. He hasn't tried this elsewhere so why not try it somewhere that is already doomed anyhow! With regard to air losses - it's in fits and starts. By that I mean Jap production has ground to a halt with Faber admitting the Japs built 10 of planes in total last month! As such I believe Faber leaves what planes he has in the areas he controls and then when I enter that 'space' they'll be frenetic battles with the local air units but there's no replacements to continue the fight!

obvert -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 2:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy Yes this is my take on it too. He hasn't tried this elsewhere so why not try it somewhere that is already doomed anyhow! With regard to air losses - it's in fits and starts. By that I mean Jap production has ground to a halt with Faber admitting the Japs built 10 of planes in total last month! As such I believe Faber leaves what planes he has in the areas he controls and then when I enter that 'space' they'll be frenetic battles with the local air units but there's no replacements to continue the fight! Wow. You're doing quite well for late 44, already shutting down his airframe production without even having to bomb the factories! Impressive. He must not have saved HI much. Most Japanese player try to get at least 3 million HI saved by now which can be quite a lot of planes for a good time to come.

BBfanboy -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 3:20:45 PM)
Lots of credit to Faber for continuing the game. His economy was really toast from the time he could not evict you from the islands off Sumatra. The oil at Palembang is useless if you cannot dare send tankers/xAKs there. I hope he sticks with it to 1945 - drawing close to Japan and triggering Kamikazes makes for a different game.

Speedysteve -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/14/2013 3:25:36 PM)
Indeed. Massive credit to Faber for carrying on. It can't be much fun doing nothing! I don't know all of the details other than Faber mentioned he'd taken his eye off the economy for 6 months and when he realised he didn't have enough material it was too late to rectify.

Speedysteve -> 5-9th October 1944 (8/20/2013 2:51:42 PM)
Hi all, All things proceeding to plan. Mariana's: The Japs still stubbornly resist on both Tinian and Guam. Their strength is slowly weakening though and I'm hopeful both Islands will be in Allied hands over the next 7-10 days. The latest attacks will go in tomorrow supported by all of the CV air on hand. Here's the last attacks and strength levels: Ground combat at Guam (106,95) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 13709 troops, 139 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 310 Defending force 56470 troops, 1352 guns, 1521 vehicles, Assault Value = 1566 Japanese ground losses: 529 casualties reported Squads: 25 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled) Allied ground losses: 31 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) AND Ground combat at Tinian (108,94) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 60999 troops, 1409 guns, 1393 vehicles, Assault Value = 1643 Defending force 31201 troops, 333 guns, 163 vehicles, Assault Value = 549 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied adjusted assault: 1415 Japanese adjusted defense: 2095 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2103 casualties reported Squads: 27 destroyed, 113 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 37 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 32 disabled Guns lost 43 (4 destroyed, 39 disabled) Vehicles lost 8 (3 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1623 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 89 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 25 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled Guns lost 40 (1 destroyed, 39 disabled) Vehicles lost 24 (5 destroyed, 19 disabled) A few Jap subs interfered with the Allied Armada on the 9th. Both APD Newman and AO Tomahawk were sunk. In return 4 enemy subs were claimed sunk (1 finished off by SS Wahoo!) ------------------ SRA: All shipping will have returned to Ambon from Morotai tomorrow. We then begin to load up for Manado. ------------------ Darwin: The Japs turned out to be very weak and virtually starving when Allied troops took Darwin on the 5th: Ground combat at Darwin (76,124) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 21001 troops, 275 guns, 289 vehicles, Assault Value = 815 Defending force 16031 troops, 219 guns, 217 vehicles, Assault Value = 453 Allied adjusted assault: 350 Japanese adjusted defense: 41 Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied forces CAPTURE Darwin !!! Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 838 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 84 disabled Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 79 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 86 (81 destroyed, 5 disabled) Vehicles lost 188 (188 destroyed, 0 disabled) Allied ground losses: 821 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 127 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled) Assaulting units: 24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment 29th Australian Brigade 2nd Australian Division 13th Australian Brigade Port Moresby Brigade 108th Tank Attack Regiment Defending units: 20th Division 2nd Tank Regiment 4th JAAF Base Force 47th Field AA Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 41st JNAF AF Unit 19th Ind. Engineer Regiment 5th JAAF AF Bn The last of the enemy were mopped up over the next 5 days. Troops will now head west to take out the last few Jap held bases in NW Australia. ------------------- Sumatra: An empty Palembang was entered on the 7th and the remaining Jap troops are now surrounded and will starve outside Praboemoelih. In due course I'll begin to launch probes and then full out attacks once I've continued to bomb the enemy for another 10-14 days. ------------------- Malaya: The Malacca invasion convoy is now on it's way back to Oosthaven where it will load Phase 2 forces (originally due to land at Mersing but due to the lack of Jap response they'll unload at Malacca and march south towards Johore Bahru). It should be back at Oosthaven on the 12th. Fighters are providing LRCAP over the ships from Sumatran airfields. By the way I spotted the Jap CV TF at Miri. I wonder if they'll venture westwards to try to attack he retreating transports...... ------------------- Submarine Warfare: 3 x dud/missed attacks. SS Pintado sank SC Ch 47 near Sapporo on the 7th.

JocMeister -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 7:54:29 AM)
Nice work on Tinian. Every attack that brings down the forts is a good attack! Looks like he is about to fold! [:)] If Faber has indeed really crashed the Jap economy you are going to have a field day bombing the HI without fighter opposition. I�m thinking he is kicking himself for not paying attention to the economy right now. But kudos to him for playing on despite his blunder! [&o]

obvert -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 11:03:31 AM)
It's very strange that he considers it irrecoverable and can only make 10 planes in a month! I'm failing a bit to understand how this happened. It must be mainly the lack of oil/fuel reserves to drive the economy. It seems like he would have not shipped enough back the the HI and been surprised by the Sumatra move and closure of oil shipments. I imagine this would also have been compounded by an almost complete lack of HI savings. In short you must have done a very good job early, forcing him to overuse and overproduce and not focus on saving.

koniu -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 11:25:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert It's very strange that he considers it irrecoverable and can only make 10 planes in a month! I'm failing a bit to understand how this happened. It must be mainly the lack of oil/fuel reserves to drive the economy. It seems like he would have not shipped enough back the the HI and been surprised by the Sumatra move and closure of oil shipments. I imagine this would also have been compounded by an almost complete lack of HI savings. In short you must have done a very good job early, forcing him to overuse and overproduce and not focus on saving. Even without fuel, and oil he should be able to produce planes. Not know when You land in Sumatra but if that not happen before `44, so at end of `43 he should have at lest 2.000.000 HI in reserve. And HI is only what he need to produce planes. From 2M HI he should be able to produce 55000 1E planes. Or maybe 30000 if he build also some 2E bombers. Strange but without good data is hard to tell.

obvert -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 11:45:42 AM)
Well, exactly koniu, but if he was pressured to compete early on, then maybe he chose to use everything thinking the saving would happen later, and it never did? That's all I can imagine. I've pretty much made what I needed in both games and still have measurable savings of HI, so it is hard to understand, but I'm sure there must be things we're just not able to see behind the scenes.

Speedysteve -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 12:32:43 PM)
Interesting discussion guys. Unfortunately I can't offer the accompanying data, on the Japanese economy, to be able to help further. Its also tough for me to judge what is and isn't possible as I haven't played the Japanese side much for several years. I can say that I don't think we've had a heavy combat/attritional type war overall so not sure if I could have attrited his pools that much early on.

castor troy -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 1:08:40 PM)
if Raver isn't able to produce aircraft then he is doing something wrong or still seriously fails to understand how the system works. [&:] I had a Japanese opponent pushed back to Japan and he told me that if he just halts his nav/merchant/arm/veh production and only uses the fuel/oil he produces in and around Japan (resources are pretty much unlimited anyway) he can still outproduce me in aircraft numbers if he wanted to. I thought he would be pulling my leg but when he finally surrendered he sent me his pw and I took a look at what was left and he was correct! At the point he was telling me, there has long been no need anymore for merchant/naval factories to producing anything and he had lots of arm/veh pts in the pool and just had no need to really fill out his units anyway the way battles were fought (you invade, kill stuff and it takes too long to rebuild units so that would be a fault late war). That said, the only way to stop Japan from producing pretty much as many aircraft as they want to is to bomb the factories/engine plants. If he doesn't produce aircraft, his fault.

PaxMondo -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 1:44:11 PM)
CT is mostly correct, you can generate about 2000 HI/day if you still control undamaged oil centers in Japan/Korea/MAN/FOR/Kuriles. IF you have built up good stocks of HI and ARM/VEH and engines prior to losing the DEI (Mike Solli school of econ), you can still build a/c like crazy. However, IF you overbuilt a/c in 42/43, did not get HI/ARM/VEH stockpiled, yeah you are in trouble. You get a ton of units in 44/45 that you desparately need for defense. But if you are low on ARM/VEH, they come in at only 1/3 strength ... essentially just brigades, not ID's. If Faber can only build 10 ac/day, this is likely what has happened. He doesn't have stockpiles, has to split between AC and ARM, getting not enough of either. rule of thumb is you want at least 4M HI + 500K ARM/VEH in stockpile when you lose DEI as IJ. If this occurs in mid 44, you should be able to fight effectively until the end. If you lose the DEI earlier you would need more stockpiled. Flip this around for the allies: you need to pressure the IJ so that cannot make their stockpile OR take the DEI sooner than mid-44. As Mike would say: it is all logisitics. The battles are just frosting.

obvert -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 4:48:14 PM)
Pax, you have to be joking! No one I've ever seen has anywhere near 4 million HI and 500k (!!!) armaments and vehicles. I've looked at tracker and if I'm understanding it correctly I should only need another 90k ARM and 35k VEH to fill out what is in the pipeline. Maybe I'm reading or understanding it incorrectly. I'll look at that again and try to do some economics posts in my AAR so we can leave Speedy to talk about more interesting things here! [:)] As for Faber here, yeah, there should have been some even if he wasn't trying if he didn't overproduce airframes and accelerate every single ship early on.

crsutton -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/21/2013 10:19:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy if Raver isn't able to produce aircraft then he is doing something wrong or still seriously fails to understand how the system works. [&:] I had a Japanese opponent pushed back to Japan and he told me that if he just halts his nav/merchant/arm/veh production and only uses the fuel/oil he produces in and around Japan (resources are pretty much unlimited anyway) he can still outproduce me in aircraft numbers if he wanted to. I thought he would be pulling my leg but when he finally surrendered he sent me his pw and I took a look at what was left and he was correct! At the point he was telling me, there has long been no need anymore for merchant/naval factories to producing anything and he had lots of arm/veh pts in the pool and just had no need to really fill out his units anyway the way battles were fought (you invade, kill stuff and it takes too long to rebuild units so that would be a fault late war). That said, the only way to stop Japan from producing pretty much as many aircraft as they want to is to bomb the factories/engine plants. If he doesn't produce aircraft, his fault. Yep, I concur. My scen 2 campaign vs Ark and I am sure he has plenty of aircraft in 6/45. And I killed off his oil production well over a year ago. That said, it does not bother me much. I am finding that I can always win the air war at the point of attack and really am just using my air to cover my land advances which are going quite well. Have yet to strat bomb a single point in the Home Islands and now am thinking that it may not be worth starting.

Speedysteve -> 10-12th October 1944 (8/24/2013 7:29:10 PM)
Hi all, Mariana's: At long last and after a bitter struggle lasting 22 days Tinian fell to the Allies on 12th October 1944. I now, coincidentally, have a minor victory according to the intel screen as well. Guam is close to falling as well: Ground combat at Guam (106,95) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 54241 troops, 1315 guns, 1478 vehicles, Assault Value = 1564 Defending force 22354 troops, 214 guns, 167 vehicles, Assault Value = 221 Allied adjusted assault: 438 Japanese adjusted defense: 393 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 6) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1183 casualties reported Squads: 85 destroyed, 37 disabled Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 31 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 33 (6 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 28 (10 destroyed, 18 disabled) Allied ground losses: 504 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 71 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Assaulting units: 43rd Infantry Division 2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion 77th Infantry Division 22nd Marine Regiment 111th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 38th Infantry Division 671th Tank Destroyer Battalion 93rd Infantry Division 31st Infantry Division 5th USMC Tank Battalion 11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion I Corps Artillery 10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion XIV Corps Artillery Defending units: Guards Mixed Brigade 2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment 17th Ind.Mixed Regiment 10th Ind.Mixed Regiment 7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 38th JNAF AF Unit 18th JAAF AF Bn 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 64th Infantry Group 55th Construction Battalion 2nd JAAF AF Bn 4th Fleet 8th Base Force 36th JNAF AF Unit 157th JAAF AF Bn Support forces and planes will disembark at Tinian tomorrow. Over 100 x BB29 will then fly in from PH to begin night bombing Manpower raids on mainland Japan. Once Guam falls the remaining Allied TF's and CV's will retire to PH to fuel up for the next invasions. ------------------ SRA: Troops loading up at Ambon for the Manado invasion. Recon indicates no enemy troops at Sirdate so I'll likely land there and march overland to Manado. ------------------ Malaya: All ships reached Oosthaven on the 12th and will begin loading up the 2nd phase troops for Malaya tomorrow. Once they're in Malaya we'll begin the march Southwards towards Johore Bahru. ------------------ Submarine Warfare: 2 x dud/missed attack. SS Skipjack blew up SC CHa-59 near Mindanao on the 10th. On the 11th SS Spot claimed TK Hachijin Maru sank near Ominato SS Gurnard also reported in heavily damaging AO Shioya with a torpedo near Davao. SS Burrfish claimed DD Mikazuki sunk near Dadjangas but was in turn sank by the other DD convoy escorts. SS Pintado reported sinking DD Minegumo with a torpedo near Okinawa.

Terminus -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (8/24/2013 7:42:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy Indeed. Massive credit to Faber for carrying on. It can't be much fun doing nothing! I don't know all of the details other than Faber mentioned he'd taken his eye off the economy for 6 months and when he realised he didn't have enough material it was too late to rectify. Well, he can take some morale boosts from the pasting he's giving me in our game. SYNERGY!

PaxMondo -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/24/2013 10:56:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Pax, you have to be joking! No one I've ever seen has anywhere near 4 million HI and 500k (!!!) armaments and vehicles. I've looked at tracker and if I'm understanding it correctly I should only need another 90k ARM and 35k VEH to fill out what is in the pipeline. Maybe I'm reading or understanding it incorrectly. I'll look at that again and try to do some economics posts in my AAR so we can leave Speedy to talk about more interesting things here! [:)] As for Faber here, yeah, there should have been some even if he wasn't trying if he didn't overproduce airframes and accelerate every single ship early on. No you are correct, but you need to factor in losses that you must replace. The ground war in 44/46 goes at a horrendous pace, nothing at all like 42/43 which is mostly an airwar with a few naval battles for diversion. You lose 100's of devices every turn ... 100 * 12 = 1200 ARM pts a turn for 600 days ... ~720,000 ARM for loss replacements. So if you enter 44 with 400K, then you still need to build another 320K over 2 years ... or 2M of your stockpiled HI will go to ARM pts. This is what you are preparing for ... and if you can't, then this is when your defense collapses completely and the allies are able to invade the HI. IRL, the IJ did a remarkable job in this respect. They were able to contain the hordes in CHI/MAN/KOR and present a formidable defense. A lot of players overlook this, over build in 42/43 and then suffer a collapse in 45. It is completely predictable because there is a fixed amount of oil produced in the game, which means there is a maximum HI that the IJ can produce. The game reality is that you only are able to achieve an percentage of that maximum ... better players will get more. Knowing this though, you can then also calculate what you need to survive to '46. You then build your expenditure model backwards from there based upon an assumed total HI that you will produce. You can expend more only when you play better than your original assumption. simple. [:D]

obvert -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/25/2013 12:18:59 AM)
Got it Pax. Thanks for the clear explanation. Something new to worry about now! [;)]

PaxMondo -> RE: 5-9th October 1944 (8/25/2013 1:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Got it Pax. Thanks for the clear explanation. Something new to worry about now! [;)] For an IJ player, we never suffer from a lack of something to worry about! [:D]

Speedysteve -> 13-20th October 1944 (9/6/2013 1:01:59 PM)
Hi all, A week's update as the war grinds forward. Mariana's: Faber flew in more planes to Saipan and Pagan. They tried to break through the massed Allied CAP one last time before Guam fell but were unsuccessful losing c.150 planes to 20 Allied. The stubborn resistance at Guam finally ended and Guam fell to the Allies on 18th October! It took 23 days to take Guam. With both Tinian and Guam in Allied hands the rest of the fleets began to head back to PH to rest, repair, upgrade and begin loading for the next invasions...... Both Tinian and Guam have over 250 Allied aircraft of all types and can comfortably keep the Jap held bases in the area supressed. I'll soon fly in B29's to begin attacks on Japan. ----------------------- SRA: The invasion of Sidate began on the 17th and the unoccupied base was taken quickly. Allied soldiers and equipment are still coming ashore. Once the unloading is complete the men will march NE to take Manado. 2 x CVE TF's have provided air cover and 2 x SC TF provided sea cover. Both have been needed as the Japanese reacted. A small CV Battle was fought on 18th October as the, presumably, remaining Jap CV's moved from Brunei south to a position west of Mindanao. My CVE's were off the beaches at Sidate and an ineffectual CV battle took place: Morning Air attack on TF, near Sidate at 75,100 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 31 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 8 A6M5b Zero x 14 A6M5c Zero x 11 B6N1 Jill x 4 B6N2 Jill x 11 D4Y1 Judy x 13 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 19 F4U-1D Corsair x 70 F6F-5 Hellcat x 8 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed A6M5b Zero: 6 destroyed A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed B6N1 Jill: 2 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 8 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed Allied Ships PF Gascoyne, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AO Kaskaskia, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage AND: Morning Air attack on TF, near Gorontalo at 71,95 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 36 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 11 A6M5b Zero x 22 A6M5c Zero x 16 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 9 F4U-1D Corsair x 6 F6F-5 Hellcat x 12 TBM-1C Avenger x 20 TBM-3 Avenger x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses FM-2 Wildcat: 2 destroyed F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed TBM-1C Avenger: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak TBM-3 Avenger: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships CV Katsuragi CVL Chiyoda DD Yukikaze BB Kirishima CVL Nisshin, Torpedo hits 1 The Jap CV force fled away the next day. All in all a damp squib of an affair! My AO sank quickly. On the 20th a Small Jap CL TF tried to reach the invasion ships but the BB TF saw them off: Night Time Surface Combat, near Sidate at 75,100, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Nagara CL Isuzu CL Abukuma, Shell hits 1 CL Kuma CL Tama, Shell hits 12, heavy fires CL Yubari Allied Ships BB Nevada, Shell hits 1 BB Oklahoma, Shell hits 8 CA Portland CA Astoria CA Minneapolis CL Achilles CL Hobart CL Detroit CL Biloxi CL Miami DD Cowell DD Daly DD Heywood Edwards DD Evans DD Franks DD Gatling DD Albert Grant DD Guest DD Haggard DD Hale DD Halford DD Hall DD Halligan DD Morrison DD Mullany TBM's located the fleeing Jap TF in the daylight and reported finishing off CL Tama and sinking CL Yubari south of Mindanao. --------------------- Malaya/Sumatra: All quiet here as I dig in at Malacca and expand the facilities waiting the 2nd phase reinforcements which will arrive by sea on the 21st/22nd October. Once they do I'll move southwards to take Singapore before then deciding whether to march north from Malacca (recon indicates Faber has railed 30K units to Kuala Lumpur) or to Amphib somewhere else instead. As a sideshow I've been testing 100 x B29 night bombing from Siberoet to Soerabaya and the results have been disappointing to say the least. I managed to get up to around 20,000 fires and caused a few points of damage on industry but that's as much as I've managed to do. I hope attacks on Japan will be more successful. On Sumatra, I've not forgotten the Jap troops starving at Prabomelih. I'll soon begin to attack them to see if they've any fight left in the 95,000 of them. --------------------- Submarine Warfare: No dud/missed attacks. SS Bonefish claimed TK Ejiri Maru off Palawan on the 13th. SS Cero damaged AO Toei Maru with a torpedo near Shanghai on the 15th. In return she was heavily damaged by the escorts. [image]local://upfiles/4211/56DD48122D4944909009B5560DDADD3F.jpg[/image]

crsutton -> RE: 1-4th October 1944 (9/6/2013 2:50:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Lots of credit to Faber for continuing the game. His economy was really toast from the time he could not evict you from the islands off Sumatra. The oil at Palembang is useless if you cannot dare send tankers/xAKs there. I hope he sticks with it to 1945 - drawing close to Japan and triggering Kamikazes makes for a different game. No, I don't think so. Most Japanese players can produce aircraft well into 1945. If Faber can't make airplanes then he is doomed and it will come fast. Even Kamis won't help him much without some aircraft production.

Speedysteve -> 21-26th October 1944 (9/12/2013 12:33:55 PM)
Hi all, Mariana's: This region has quietened down now with both Tinian and Guam in Allied hands. All Japanese resistance officially ended on the 25th on Guam and 26th at Tinian. Daily air raids by LBA keeps Pagan, Rota and Saipan under cover as my recently arrived B29's sit and rest at Tinian. Recon from Marcus Island has started flights over Japan. It's quite exciting to know I'll soon be launching air raids against the Mainland. On the flip side there's such a plethora of targets I don't know where to hit first [;)] I expect the first air raids to be launched in the next 2-3 days. It won't be at Tokyo though with over 350 enemy fighters present! My fleets continue their journey back to PH. I'd say in the next 10 days every ship involved in the Mariana's Operation will be back at PH. We'll begin immediate loading and preparation for the next invasions! ------------------ SRA: Allied troops marched overland to Manado from Sidate and launched an immediate attack on the 25th October. Weak Japanese resistance led to Manado falling!: Ground combat at Manado (75,99) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 14402 troops, 229 guns, 437 vehicles, Assault Value = 566 Defending force 3318 troops, 67 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 74 Allied adjusted assault: 231 Japanese adjusted defense: 37 Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied forces CAPTURE Manado !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses A6M5b Zero: 5 destroyed Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-) experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 444 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 31 (18 destroyed, 13 disabled) Vehicles lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled) Allied ground losses: 222 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 102nd(Sep) Infantry Regiment 41st Infantry Division 2/4th Armoured Regiment 41st Aviation Base Force Defending units: 64th Naval Guard Unit 16th AA Regiment 8th JNAF Coy Gohoku JNAF Base Force Good. Allied BF's and planes will soon land. The Talaud-Eilanden invasion force is departing Ambon now and will join the CVE TF's off Manado before heading in. Talaud will be built up quickly (currently un-occupied with 0 AF) to act as a forward AF and fighter base for the invasion of Mindanao. There's been no further Japanese interference in the area after the disappointing CV combat and CL TF foray. --------------------- Sumatra/Malaya: The Allied attack at Proboemolih (Sumatra) on the 24th October was a failure and very disappointing to say the least: Ground combat at Praboemoelih (48,92) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 35689 troops, 579 guns, 733 vehicles, Assault Value = 1234 Defending force 67837 troops, 991 guns, 850 vehicles, Assault Value = 1845 Allied adjusted assault: 666 Japanese adjusted defense: 906 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2221 casualties reported Squads: 12 destroyed, 176 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 66 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled Guns lost 70 (4 destroyed, 66 disabled) Vehicles lost 16 (8 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3263 casualties reported Squads: 49 destroyed, 399 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 98 disabled Engineers: 17 destroyed, 25 disabled Guns lost 96 (7 destroyed, 89 disabled) Vehicles lost 84 (3 destroyed, 81 disabled) Assaulting units: 14th Canadian Brigade 706th Tank Battalion 100th Indian Brigade 711th Tank Battalion 1st Filipino Inf Regiment 11th Airborne Division 82nd (West African) Division 364th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 99th Indian Brigade 182nd USAAF Base Force 126th RAF Base Force I US Corps 46th Construction Regiment 76th Coast AA Regiment 88th Medium Regiment 48th Aviation Base Force 341 Wing Defending units: 2nd Amphibious Brigade 8th Division 32nd Ind.Mixed Bde /1 18th Garrison Unit 6th Guards Inf. Regiment 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade 58th Infantry Regiment 138th Infantry Regiment 21st Division 36th Infantry Regiment 1st South Seas Det. 3rd Tank Division 34th Ind.Mixed Brigade 46th Div /1 51st Field AA Battalion 3rd Mortar Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 31st Mountain Gun Regiment 28th Air Flotilla 1st Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 23rd AA Regiment 13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion 1st Guards Field Artillery Regiment 21th JNAF AF Unit 34th Road Const Co 2nd Area Army 55th Const Co 69th Field AA Battalion 1st JAAF Base Force 68th Field AA Battalion 32nd Port Unit 97th JAAF AF Bn I'll be bombing and resting for weeks before trying this again. Siberoet based B29's hit Soerabaya's port on the 223rd caused heavy damage and reportedly sinking 8 x SS/SST, 1 x AKE, 1 x AK and 2 x E for the loss of 2 x B29. On Malaya the 2nd phase of troops are still slowly unloading over the beaches and small port at Malacca. The flip side to having a well equipped and strong OOB with late war Allied units is they are equipment heavy and take a long time to fully unload! I suspect it will be a further 5 days before all equipment is ashore and the troops can move south towards Johore. I've attached a current screenshot of Malaya with reported enemy troop levels. Rather than slogging through the Malayan jungles to the north (knowing what a headache they caused me in Burma) I'm increasingly thinking of bypassing the centre of Malaya and landing further to the north or maybe even in Indo China to make the Jap forces in Malaya (and Burma) redundant. ------------------------------- Submarine Warfare: I've enough data to confirm the trend I've been seeing now. Due to the constriction of the Japanese Empire and the dismal state of her economy I'm encountering far fewer convoys and ships than previously so there's a massive reduction in the activity of my subs out there. This trend will only exacerbate IMO. 3 x dud/missed attacks. SS Dragonet well and truly sank DD Mochizuki with 4 torpedoes north of Luzon on the 22nd. On the other side SS Hawkbill was sunk by an ASW TF south of Tokyo. [image]local://upfiles/4211/9ECB69E3ECCB44469DD527126964345B.jpg[/image]

Speedysteve -> 27-31st October 1944 (9/25/2013 12:58:14 PM)
Hi all, CentPac/Strat Bombing: Still awaiting some final ships to return to PH before beginning loading for the next phase of Ops. The first Superfort raid was launched against Wakayama's Manpower on the 29th. Over 80 of them only caused 10K fires and didn't damage anything else. Disappointing, Bad weather prevented the Superforts launching on the 30th October. The weather cleared on the 31st and Osaka was hit: Morning Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 48 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14 Allied aircraft B-29-1 Superfort x 79 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-29-1 Superfort: 11 damaged Manpower hits 230 Fires 82425 Relatively happy with this. The screenshot below shows Osaka after a further raid the following day. I netted over 1000 VP's for these 2 raids alone! Wow....... ----------------------------- SRA: Final supply is being unloaded at both Manado and Talaud-Eilanden under heavy CAP and SC TF cover. The Mindanao troops will then be loaded at Ambon.... A small enemy TF was located by search planes and 1 of the CVE TF's attacked the enemy near Balikpapan claiming 5 x AK. On Malaya all troops and material is ashore at Malacca and troops have begun to march towards Johore Bahru in the south...... ------------------------------ Submarine Warfare: 2 x dud/missed attacks. SS Shalimar blew up AK Manila Maru off Balikpapan on the 28th October. SS Gurnard sank SC CHa-33 near Davao. SS Shalimar was in action again on the 31st, off Balikpapan, sinking SC CHa-26. On the other side SS Sabalo was lost with all hands off Formosa on the 27th. [image]local://upfiles/4211/9AA78BC804994747990B903DA7368BBA.jpg[/image]

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