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killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 10:36:11 AM)
quote: All forums have rules,such as no political discussion,no insulting others etc etc.The people that have been banned were not following the rules of the forum Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy, but, I know differently. Paradox is well known for squelching threads of a negative nature of their games. HOI III just happens to be the worst one. In the state it is in I highly doubt this one will ever be patched up to a really playable state that doesn't represent anything more than real time risk.

Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 2:46:54 PM)
Paradox will milk a game to death, to get every penny they can and its not even ready at release. It'll be down hill from I am afraid. Matrix and Ageod are my favorite game sites. They feel like home. Oh well, we will see.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 2:57:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere quote: All forums have rules,such as no political discussion,no insulting others etc etc.The people that have been banned were not following the rules of the forum Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy, but, I know differently. Paradox is well known for squelching threads of a negative nature of their games. HOI III just happens to be the worst one. In the state it is in I highly doubt this one will ever be patched up to a really playable state that doesn't represent anything more than real time risk. Sorry pal but that's complete nonsense. If anyone were to visit the Paradox forums, they would see PLENTY of negative threads about the game and thread after thread about bugs. I'm no Paradox fan at the minute, but I can't sit by and watch ridiculous statements get airtime.

bairdlander2 -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 6:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere quote: Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy Ahhh name calling,the last resort of those who cannot come up with intelligent replies in debates.As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules.There are many,many threads of complaints about HOI3.In fact I have started several and Im not banned nor have my threads been closed.Though it is true when threads get to the point of people calling each other "fanboys" or worse the thread is closed.Other notable threads that have been closed are the one where the OP stated his "human rights" were violated because HOI3 is buggy or threads where OP's are making threats against PI.Others were threads of people threatening a class action lawsuit and stating they cannot function in life because HOI3 is so buggy and they cannot leave the house because of severe trauma/depression caused by HOI3 being buggy.So please know what you are talking about before making your false remarks.Are you saying that if someone comes on this forum,makes outlandish threads like the ones I mentioned above would not have said threads closed?[:)]

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 6:37:11 PM)
quote: As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules. Sorry but the moderators themselves do not even follow the forum rules and resort to childish name calling even in their own posts. Vulture is the worst of them. But, it really makes me no nevermind. The games they actually develop speaks loads for the "non-quality" releases of Paradox games and really that's all that matters. Bickering over who gets banned or a thread deleted for what is always subjective because you can't prove I'm wrong because you weren't there when the threads I was reading got deleted. [:D] Thus you can only speculate as to why. Vulture closes them on a whim if 'he' doesn't like the topic or the way they are going and most especially when they are negative. I've been on the Paradox forums for years so I know what goes on and not just in the HOI forums, it happens in Crusader Kings, EU:Rome and EU:III as well. There's moderation and then there is over moderation to the point of dictatorship. I know the difference perhaps you don't? quote: Are you saying that if someone comes on this forum,makes outlandish threads like the ones I mentioned above would not have said threads closed? If you're talking about Matrixgames forums then no not really. Only threads I've ever seen closed here dealt with politics and/or religion. As long as forumites don't get too silly with throwing mud I haven't seen Erik jump in and say "oh that's negative ban or close thread". I don't think I've ever seen a thread 'deleted' ever here though. Paradox has always been gestapolike though.

bairdlander2 -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 6:46:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere quote: As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules. Sorry but the moderators themselves do not even follow the forum rules and resort to childish name calling even in their own posts. Vulture is the worst of them. Please post a link with an example.As for the quality of products what you like might not what be what I like,so what?All Im saying is bashing a company because you dont like what they sell is kind of childish and doesnt really prove anything,its a matter of personal taste.If you dont like PI why are you even on their forums?If PI products are so bad why did you get them?

bairdlander2 -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 6:52:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere If you're talking about Matrixgames forums then no not really. Only threads I've ever seen closed here dealt with politics and/or religion. As long as forumites don't get too silly with throwing mud I haven't seen Erik jump in and say "oh that's negative ban or close thread". So you dont think someone claiming they are severely depressed/traumatized because HOI3 is buggy is not silly?Th tread was considered spam and basically a waste of time and space.When HOI3 was released there was so many posts like that,one could not even ask a question regarding gameplay.Thats why most of these threads were closed.

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 6:55:35 PM)
quote: So you dont think someone claiming they are severely depressed/traumatized because HOI3 is buggy is not silly? One persons silly is and can be another persons serious mental illness. One shouldn't take too lightly anyones complaints that's how those that try to tell others they are going to commit suicide end up committing it because no one would listen they thought it was 'silly'. Also just to clarify the threads I read that eventually got deleted and some posters banned where the ones that has a topic of or like: Should I buy this now? Is it playable? Is it worth it? Topics like those were most often either deleted or closed as more and more malcontents posted No it's a pile of crap or wait 6 months or it will never be finished. Or boycott it. I never saw a post that I felt was extreme or negative enough to be closed or deleted but Vulture and that Vlad one did and often. Of course some would reopen another thread asking why so n so thread was closed or deleted. Those that did eventually ended up banned of course. Also let's be honest it's pretty easy to find a reason to ban anyone on any forum the way the rules are written. Ones perspective on the rules is totally different to another and mostly the moderators write their own rules as they moderate. Paradox is just way over the top in moderation imho.

LarryP -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 7:28:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money. I'm guilty as charged. [:(]

bairdlander2 -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 7:32:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money. [:(] Kind of like when Matrix calls Commander Europe at War "new" when i recall a game from 2002 called Strategic Command Europe (www.battlefront.com/products/stratcom/stratcom.html) with exact same map,graphics,sound and interface(sorry the tech screen was different).As well as Close Combat series and ED/BTR[:D][:D]which came out in 1994[:D][:D]

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 8:00:48 PM)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427956&page=5 The above thread is one of the more heated ones and just note the tone of the moderator. I've never seen any of the moderators here act that rude like they are gods or gestapo agents. Stonewall the moderator if you read all his posts in orange in that thread is exactly that. Plus note rule #2 of the forum rules. I've never liked that rule as that gives them complete say and once again like a dictator or gestapo agent. Reminds me of how my mom used to be. "Do as I say because I said so boy." Sorry, but, in my world animosity leads to just more animosity. They won't win any customer service awards I bet you. The problem with finding the ones they didn't delete is their search engine is the suxors. You can't even use the damn thing. I wonder why?[:D] I'd list loads of moderator activity where they were less than cordial and acting like forumites they are complaining about. This one below would insight anyone to hostilities. He's actually taunting the forum member to do it so he can ban him. quote: Combined with the five I gave you for insulting me via PM and the two you just got for this post I am quoting, you're one point away from being banned. I leave it to your judgment whether you continue this fight, which you are guaranteed to lose. Based on your past conduct, I have little hope that your judgment will improve, but as always, I hope for the best. Just so there is no confusion, my remarks are not an invitation for you to respond. Now I ask you if you could meet that particular moderator in person what would be your reactions?[:D] [sm=00000947.gif] OR [sm=00000106.gif][sm=00000007.gif]

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 8:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bairdlander quote: ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money. [:(] quote: Kind of like when Matrix calls Commander Europe at War "new" when i recall a game from 2002 called Strategic Command Europe (www.battlefront.com/products/stratcom/stratcom.html) with exact same map,graphics,sound and interface(sorry the tech screen was different).As well as Close Combat series and ED/BTR[:D][:D]which came out in 1994[:D][:D] But Commander Europe at War is new and so much better than Strategic Command of any kind from Battlefront. Battlefront has gone downhill since CMSF and appear to be headed to the rts of mainstream instead of wargames of real strategy and tactics. I've given up on them like Paradox and just wait for bargain bin versions just to play around with after they've been patched 13 times. Close Combat series is new because it works on XP and Vista without hassle.[:D] Plus the Longest Day version now is huge compared to the old version long ago.

Hard Sarge -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 8:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bairdlander quote: ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money. [:(] Kind of like when Matrix calls Commander Europe at War "new" when i recall a game from 2002 called Strategic Command Europe (www.battlefront.com/products/stratcom/stratcom.html) with exact same map,graphics,sound and interface(sorry the tech screen was different).As well as Close Combat series and ED/BTR[:D][:D]which came out in 1994[:D][:D] hey, ED/BTR didn't come out in 94 don't know about the first one, but the CC and ED/BTR were never said to be "New" games, but remakes of old games

Arctic Blast -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 8:47:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeBrough quote: ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast MikeBrough : Why would you go back and play an older version of the game when you have a new one with tweaks and fixes? And yeah, I am planning on grabbed HttT after Christmas is over. I like the new Casus Belli overhaul, I like the improved AI use of diplomacy, I like the Sphere of Influence system and I like the changes to make playing a Merchant Republic more fun. I'd call that stuff pretty significant change. That's my point - few people will go back and play the original EUIII, or the IN version, or Nappy's Ambition, once they've installed HttT. So, you've paid around �100 for your current game. Do you think it's worth that much? I have a suspicion that Paradix (think I'll stick with that - thanks, Adam) roll out a beta, ask us to test it and then pay full price for the patches, thinly disguised as expansions. In some ways, it's similar to the proposed model that World in Flames was considering (haven't kept up with that game, so I can't be sure) but I also suspect that WiF won't be charging the early purchasers/beta testers full price for the patches as they come out. Okay, so if the expansions make such big, sweeping changes that nobody wants to play previous versions...why shouldn't they be sold as expansions? Patches typically add CONTENT, they don't completely change the way parts of the game function. And if you disagree, there's a simple solution. Don't buy the expansions, or wait for them to drop in price. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. And by the same token, you as the gamer don't have some intrinsic right to get everything for free. I do think selling the sprite packs for HoI 3 is a bit cheesy...but you don't need them to play the game, so I don't really get bent out of shape about them (unless it was to turn out that programmers were building sprites instead of making fixes). And while patches and game fixes should always be free, the EU 3 expansions are not paid for game fixes...they're massive changes to the entire game engine.

06 Maestro -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 10:38:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast I do think selling the sprite packs for HoI 3 is a bit cheesy...but you don't need them to play the game, so I don't really get bent out of shape about them (unless it was to turn out that programmers were building sprites instead of making fixes). And while patches and game fixes should always be free, the EU 3 expansions are not paid for game fixes...they're massive changes to the entire game engine. This is spot on-especially the second sentence. I think that if someone actually owned and played those games, or HoI2/Armageddon, they would see the difference. Sometimes it seems people say things about games of which they had never even looked at. I wonder if that is why PI introduced the game registration rules (along with the game symbol with your avatar) to try to minimize game-less trolls. Perhaps Matrix should look into this "feature" [;)]. It might be a lot of trouble (mostly for Matrix) to do this just to expose a few trolls, but it would fun to watch them squirm for a while.

06 Maestro -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/19/2009 11:52:01 PM)
I don't want to look like a fanboy of PI, but fair is fair. There has been some chatter here about their mods not allowing discourse ([;)]) on the failings of HoI3-this is simply not true. Right now, among the large number of question like posts on the first page, there are 2 threads openly listing problems with the game and various suggestions. These threads have not been locked or deleted, nor has anyone been banned. The reason is simple; the people posting have legitimate statements/suggestions which are put forward in a reasonable manner. At a glance, it appears that all posters actually have the game and thus presumably have played it. It seems rather clear that PI does not have a problem with negative statements being posted in their forums about their games-as long as those statements are not put forward with slanderous/insulting statements regarding the developer or other members. This is not very different from Matrix Games. (although the mods here are more accessible in an open forum) It is easy to stick to the facts-assuming one knows them. As mentioned above; if a game is unplayable for an individual, they can get there money back. Just to make it easy for anyone to see this situation I will post a link to one of the complaint threads that is going strong, but in a constructive way. In time many of the concerns being posted in the referenced thread will be addressed eventually. Why? Because PI needs and wants happy customers. On a related note I have noticed some long time PI members whom have received a ban, but are back in a short time. There are apparently different levels of banning. I think it is clear that the Moderators can see the difference from someone who is just caught up in a heated exchange and a game-less troll. http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449675 Addit: Funny, while checking my link to see if it worked properly I notice the OP of this thread is a PI man-actually looking for complaints! ha ha imagine that. Just what a bunch of paranoid banning freaks would do. I rest my case.

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/20/2009 12:33:32 AM)
The case isn't the present posts it is the posts during the early release of the game many months ago. Of course things have died down since then as well as the bannings. There were daily thread(s) deleted and customers banned for rediculous reasons and all on the whims of gestapo moderators like Vulture and Stonewall.

Fallschirmjager -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/20/2009 4:29:22 AM)
I like Paradox games. They are not exactly the most polished of games upon release but the company does patch it's products and most importantly they are willing to take on subject matter and game types that other companies will not touch. Who else has a real time grand strategic game based on the Victorian period? All things being relative Paradox is a big time game company in the strategy game market. The current state of the PC marketplace and wargame marketplace needs all the developers and publishers it can get.

06 Maestro -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/20/2009 7:49:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager I like Paradox games. They are not exactly the most polished of games upon release but the company does patch it's products and most importantly they are willing to take on subject matter and game types that other companies will not touch. Who else has a real time grand strategic game based on the Victorian period? All things being relative Paradox is a big time game company in the strategy game market. The current state of the PC marketplace and wargame marketplace needs all the developers and publishers it can get. I agree. They do have one other little thing for their customers which is nice-providing a server for the MP games. That is a nice touch. That would be something for Matrix to look into someday. It would come in handy for the PG games and perhaps some flight sims. I hope that AGEOD will be able to benefit from the Meta server.

MikeBrough -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/20/2009 8:14:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast Okay, so if the expansions make such big, sweeping changes that nobody wants to play previous versions...why shouldn't they be sold as expansions? Patches typically add CONTENT, they don't completely change the way parts of the game function. And if you disagree, there's a simple solution. Don't buy the expansions, or wait for them to drop in price. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. And by the same token, you as the gamer don't have some intrinsic right to get everything for free. I do think selling the sprite packs for HoI 3 is a bit cheesy...but you don't need them to play the game, so I don't really get bent out of shape about them (unless it was to turn out that programmers were building sprites instead of making fixes). And while patches and game fixes should always be free, the EU 3 expansions are not paid for game fixes...they're massive changes to the entire game engine. OK, in hindsight, I've been a bit hard on Paradox. I'm probably guilty of looking at the end-game - �100 for HttT??? - but along the way I've had a good, solid game to play at all times (well, after the 6 months of free beta testing). Sort of like a �20 tune-up every 6 months.

martok -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/21/2009 7:03:49 AM)
If -- and I grant it's a big "if" -- Paradox largely refrains from interfering with AGEOD's development process(es), and sticks mostly to publishing their games and providing support, then I believe this could actually be quite beneficial for them. In my mind, the main question is how much PI ends up meddling in AGEOD's affairs, and we probably won't really know that until at least some months have passed. In short: I'm cautiously optimistic about how this will turn out, but only time will tell.

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/22/2009 6:54:20 PM)
Here is a more recent thread just closed: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451270&page=2 Mod uses generic "this thread has gone off topic enough" as an excuse to close yet another negative thread about the game and the problems and issues with it. There is nothing I see agaisnt the rules of the forum here except the moderator just wants to squelch it from others seeing and responding in like kind about the game and it's issues. So don't tell me the mods don't close or delete negative threads on a whim they are still doing it and I'm pretty sure will continue to do it because I'm pretty sure it's for alternative reasons other than OT issues.

GoodGuy -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/22/2009 7:56:07 PM)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451365&page=2 A recent thread, not closed yet. Some guy claims on page 2 that he authored the HOI3-review on ArmchairGeneral. Kinda interesting thread. Some other guy concludes that ParadIx had to release HOI3 in such a terrible state, in order not to go down (ie. to get some bucks). Heaven knows. Let's say I'd own ParadIx, I would very well ensure that threads, which just had been created to piss on the bonfire, and which wouldn't be a bit polite/constructive, would be closed. Personally, I would even consider to delete the really rude threads. Yes, as a customer, I do have rights, and I have the right to complain. But the complaint should be brought forward in a proper way.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/22/2009 8:18:24 PM)
So if they are closing the threads because of negative feedback, as you suggest, why are they not removing said threads? If they are really bothered about negative threads affecting sales and credibility (and I think they know they are past that now) why not remove the thread? And the last 3 posts on that thread were going the same way other threads go and get closed...slagging off the company and other products instead of dealing with the OPs complaint. It seems to me it was simply closed to stop it sliding into the same damn sewer every other thread goes down over there....and several posts in that thread were shouting fanboy (like someone here actually)...it was heading south and the mod closed it - big deal! Your seeming personal vendetta against Paradox is getting in the way of common sense. Their is no dark story here, regardless of your personal agenda. Threads are closed, people are banned and debates are more heated over there and for HoI3 than for other games and on other forums and that's simply because of the state of the game. People are banned because they are over stepping the mark and ignoring moderators advice. Debates are heated because people feel burned - and rightly so. That's it. That's all there is. There's nothing else to see here. Move along.

killroyishere -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/22/2009 10:56:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoodGuy http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451365&page=2 A recent thread, not closed yet. Some guy claims on page 2 that he authored the HOI3-review on ArmchairGeneral. Kinda interesting thread. Some other guy concludes that ParadIx had to release HOI3 in such a terrible state, in order not to go down (ie. to get some bucks). Heaven knows. Let's say I'd own ParadIx, I would very well ensure that threads, which just had been created to piss on the bonfire, and which wouldn't be a bit polite/constructive, would be closed. Personally, I would even consider to delete the really rude threads. Yes, as a customer, I do have rights, and I have the right to complain. But the complaint should be brought forward in a proper way. But, that is the big difference between Paradox and Matrixgames. I've never seen Erik or others close a thread because someone became pissy about one of Matrixgames games (which is rare btw). Matrixgames is not afraid of critisism no matter what kind it is whereas Paradox appears to be afraid. The way I see it if you release a game in pretty decent shape as Matrixgames does you don't have to worry about threads like Paradox gets.

hermanhum -> Paradox Interactive Acquires AGEOD (12/22/2009 11:18:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere But, that is the big difference between Paradox and Matrixgames. I've never seen Erik or others close a thread because someone became pissy about one of Matrixgames games (which is rare btw). You obviously haven't visited the Harpoon ANW sub-forum much. Probably more locked threads in there than in any other Matrix sub-forum.

06 Maestro -> RE: Paradox Interactive Acquires AGEOD (12/23/2009 2:51:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hermanhum quote: ORIGINAL: killroyishere But, that is the big difference between Paradox and Matrixgames. I've never seen Erik or others close a thread because someone became pissy about one of Matrixgames games (which is rare btw). You obviously haven't visited the Harpoon ANW sub-forum much. Probably more locked threads in there than in any other Matrix sub-forum. Oh no! Now some disgrunteled distractor of Matrix fame can go to the PI OT forum and bad mouth Matrix Mods. That is, of course, if the distractor was not banned from that site.

Obsolete -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/23/2009 3:14:38 AM)
Thanks again for the warnings :P Sometimes I fail to understand how such great companies like Sierra and SSI went under, while others who have such botched up releases continue to hash out the same junk and manage to linger around.

NefariousKoel -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/23/2009 7:19:27 AM)
I remember visiting the old Paradox boards fairly often while waiting, and during, the first disappointing HOI. Soon after 9/11, there were a few idiot posters from europe there who commenced with the America bashing and saying that the US deserved it. The only person who got banned was some Yanqui pig-dog who decided to raise hell with the afforementioned posters. The mods deleted his post and left the others there, more than one thread that they were. I seem to recall at least one of the mods having a difficult time not joining in on the yukfest. Between their buggy games, charging for loosely termed sequels, and questionable forum moderation, I try to stay as far away from them as possible. It took me a couple more purchases before I was done with them altogether.

jomni -> RE: Paradox aquires...AGEOD (12/23/2009 8:28:59 AM)
Noooo!!! What will happen to Vainglory of Nations? I was hoping it would be released and be better than Victoria. Hope Paradox keeps AGEOD independent as they promised and not say "Vainglory is in direct competition to Victoria, you must stop development. Or make it a console game instead."

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