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mike1984 -> Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/25/2010 1:39:50 AM)
As Desert and I finish up our previous AAR of SBP, we're starting a new game. Yes, after all the griping, I made some pretty distinct mods to this scenario. Here is the new scenario briefing (most is still the original)... quote: Sicily to Brenner Pass 1943-1945 ver. 2.0 New in this version: -Allied naval units. -Palermo and Sarausa are now anchorage hexes. -East-west exclusion zone. -Significantly reduced replacements for both sides. SBP Designer: Quisling Version Designer: Mike P TOAW-3 ver. 3.0.0.0 :: PBEM :: :: Allied PO, Axis PO :: Date: July 10, 1943 to May 7, 1945 Location: Sicily and Italy Map scale: 5 km per hex Time scale: full day turns Unit scale: Rgt/Bn/Bde Length: 667 turns UNIT COLORS: Allies: US: white on OD British: white on tan Canadian: blue & red on tan Indian: black & red on tan New Zealand: brown on tan FFrench: white or light blue on blue Moroccan: green on blue Polish: dark blue on blue Greek: blue & white on tan South African: green on tan Brazilian: black on OD Ital CIdL: yellow on tan Axis: Luftwaffe: dark blue on blue Italian Air Force: blue on yellow Italian Army: light blue on yellow German Army (regular): white on grey German paras and Luftwaffe field, sturm & pz (HG) div: white & blue on grey German Pz Divs: white on black SS: white on black, or red on black Non-Ger units attached to German Armies, and certain Italian units: red on grey Land and air units include battalions, regiments, divisions, corps, armies, squadrons and air groups. Only the major combatants are included on both sides, with the exception of some small construction and railroad repair units. Naval vessels now included in the game. The game is designed to be played with either side as human against the computer. The objective tracks are not necessarily historically accurate, in order to add an element of unpredictability. The Italian 6th Army and Italian Air Force will evaporate if the toe of Italy is taken by the Allies. Much of the Luftwaffe is likely to be withdrawn if Foggia is taken. Eventually, the Luftwaffe will be completely withdrawn, leaving only a small Axis Italian air force to defend against Allied air forces. Both sides now have significantly reduced replacement rates. The German player will not immediately have sea transport capability. The German player will never have air transport capability. The Allied player will not immediately have air transport capability. To replicate the historical removal of major Allied landing craft for Anvil and Overlord, the Allies are not allowed to invade any beaches on the Italian mainland north of the Salerno region. Allied naval units are now in this scenario to act as floating gun platforms to support, at first, the Allied troops on Sicily, and later, anphibious assaults on the mainland. Naval units are not allowed in anchorage hexes, or directly adjacent to land hexes. The exclusion zone running through the middle of the Mediterranean is there to keep the game on a somewhat historically accurate path. The Allies didn't invade the mainland until Sept. 10, 1943. With the addition of new anchorage hexes (Palermo and Sarausa), it was necessary to place checks on the Allied player's ability to use them for troop movements. The exclusion zone will be removed sometime around the historical Allied invasion at Salerno. The actual invasion of southern France is not played. Instead, Allied forces in southern France historically appear in the region. Both the Allied and German computer players will take up position in the Maritime Alps along the Italian-French border following Anvil. Also, both the human and computer Allied player will have limited forces in southern France. The human German player will need to decide whether to only focus on defending against possible Allied incursions across the Maritime Alps into Italy, or to weaken its forces along the main line in Italy by sending major forces to the French border to attempt a breakthrough. The German player should keep in mind that, from time to time, various divisions and units will be withdrawn to other fronts, potentially leaving gaps in the line. The same will be true of Allied forces, which may open temporary gaps that can be exploited by the German player. Essentially, the Allies win by occupying most of Italy, Brenner Pass, and the islands of Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica at the end of the game. The German player wins by preventing an Allied victory.

Silvanski -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/25/2010 3:06:36 AM)
OK will be interesting to see how this one goes.

mike1984 -> Theatre Overview - Turn 1, July 10 (1/25/2010 3:20:12 AM)
Theatre Overview - Turn 1, July 10 Since this is a new version of SBP, I wanted to show the map and its changes. You can see the exclusion zone running east-west. Also, I marked the four naval units now active for the Allies. Other than that, not much has changed in terms of deployment or the map. From this distance, you can't see the new anchorage hexes. But you will soon. I'm posting the first two slides, only because it's no secret where my units are deployed to begin the game. So it could be a little while before the actual ensuing turns are posted. Just FYI. [image]local://upfiles/31611/0F736F6E7D9C4590B2DB0CFF6052CE23.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Starting deployments - Turn 1, July 10 (1/25/2010 3:23:57 AM)
Starting deployments - Turn 1, July 10 Here's where the Allies start; the same as always. [image]local://upfiles/31611/6AC4A84BBA1D4D17BF6CFE1A3868FA38.jpg[/image]

clulessbutwise -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/25/2010 11:49:58 AM)
Should be interesting. Maybe you should not allow the allied navy to enter the straights of Messina because the axis had stationed alot of heavy guns on both coasts to protect against this. Good work though i like this scenario but agree it does need work doing to it. You could also give the allies very limited sea transports until sicily is taken and add anchoares at Sant'Aguta and Brolo to simulate Pattons attempt to out flank the Axis lines. Just incase anyone is interested, have done a bit of research on these landings: 7-8 Aug the Allies landed at Sant'Aguta with 2 Battalions of the 58th Armored Field Battery The 2nd Battalion 30th Infantry Reg 1 Platoon of Medium Tanks 1 Battalion of Combat Engineers This landing did caputre 1000 Axis Troops but the German units along the coast had in the hole retreated before the landing had taken place. 11th Aug Allies landed at Brolo with the same units as the pervious landing. (the same day the Germans decided to evacuate Sicily) This landing did trap the 29th Panzer Division but it broke out because the allied troops landed were too small to hold them back. The last landing was made on the 16th of Aug with the same units again but the landing were made behind the American lines instead of the German so was not really a great success.

mike1984 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/25/2010 12:06:39 PM)
The Allied Navy units can't really get into the Straights until the Exclusion Zone 2 is removed; but I can see how it looks like they can get too close. For the end runs along the Northern Coast of Sicily, I've added anchorage hexes to Brolo and one other village. As you can see, I've drawn the Exclusion Zone 2 so that the Allies can make the end run prior to the EZ2 removal. The Allies can load up their expeditionary force in Palermo or Santo Stefano, then shuttle them along the coast, and land at either port hex. [image]local://upfiles/31611/7DAB82676A4341839E60D8DFC3FEAD83.jpg[/image]

clulessbutwise -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/25/2010 1:12:39 PM)
Good idea on the exclution zone, would like a Copy of your version after you have play tested it please. Cluelessbutwise@yahoo.co.uk I have found a list of the Axis units stationed in Sicily (How accurate it is i dont know) www.comandosupremo.com/Sicily.html. Still looking for indepth equipment list though. note:the link doesnt seem to work but it does get you too the web site and there is a list of orders of battle on the left.

mike1984 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/30/2010 4:37:09 AM)
I should mention... since we're not even one turn into this new mod, I'm not going to use a new AAR thread. However, I had to make a quick change the to Attrition Divider. It's default is 10, but I moved it to 14, which should be about a 22% reduction in casualties. We did have an unusually high casualty rate in the original scenario. So this should help a bit with the scenario as a whole. We'll see. Everything posted so far in this AAR is still the same.

mike1984 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass (MOD!) - Mike1984 vs. Desert (1/30/2010 5:56:58 PM)
Ok, we're up and running. Desert is working on Turn 2 now. We will begin posting turns here on or about Turn 5. Stay tuned...

mike1984 -> Turn 1, 10 July 43 - British (2/1/2010 12:32:57 AM)
Turn 1, 10 July 43 British... I sent the British 1st Airland Bde on a quick drop into the mountains north of Vizzini. I'm going to try to keep the Axis troops out of the hills, because frankly I hate having to push them out of there. The British 5th Div won't even engage the Italians in the south. Rather, I need them to move north and set up a line near Autusta. The British 50th Div will cover the 5th's left flank, and move directly to Vizzini, where the Airland Bde and the 50th Div's Recon Bn is waiting for relief. In the south, the British 51st Div and Canadian 1st Div will deal with the Italians. The 51st Div is withdrawn on 13 July 43, which should be enough time to dispose the enemy west of Noto. The Navy units right now are just acting as fire support. The northern RN Task Force sent a few salvos into the Italian force opposite the Airland Bde, knocking out a few squads and vehicles. [image]local://upfiles/31611/E48D415D7F0746699375A26D765C9ABD.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Turn 1, 10 July 43 - Americans (2/1/2010 12:33:37 AM)
Turn 1, 10 July 43 Americans... The US 3rd Div surrounded an Italian regiment quite quickly, inflicting more than 50% casualties in the first attack. One of the 3rd Div's regiments was split into battalions and sent north to screen the gap between the 3rd Div and the 1st Div. The Rangers also covered the gap, but had to be broken up into companies. Hopefully the Axis don't send too big of a force into that sector. But I'm sure they will. The 1st Div and 45th Div move in a concerted effort north along the road from Gela and through Niscemi. The 1st Div attacked and defeated the German heavy panzer battalion. Two regiments of the 82nd Airborne made a quick drop (similar to the British Airland Bde) into Grammichele, securing the village, and covering the US's right flank. The US Navy is in a complete fire support role right now. [image]local://upfiles/31611/2CEF15B52F0848EEA263A24B9B52B37E.jpg[/image]

desert -> RE: Turn 1, 10 July 43 - Americans (2/1/2010 12:38:02 AM)
Turn 1 - 7/10/43 � The first thing I noticed was the reduced replacement rates. I think many of them have been halved. The second thing I noticed was that the Panzer Btn with all my Tigers had been routed by the US 1 ID. While this is hard to stomach, I decided to leave it there. If it can escape, great - but it looks like it will be surrounded next turn, and I don't want to waste any men. My strategy this time is to immediately pull back and form an Etna Line. And this time, it will be better - it will make use of the road networks,�allowing the defenders to stay well-supplied while the Allies dither in the hills. Since this version of the scenario has anchorages in Brolo and Santo Stefano I have to keep them garrisoned. I assume�there are supply points�for the Allies there, or things could quickly turn messy. I'm keeping almost everything. The It 206 and 207 Coastal Divs have been abandoned to their imminent demise. The 202 Coastal Div is going to make a�stand in the west. The It XII Corps (1 regiment) is in Cerda. There's no real benefit in sacrificing divisions to slow him down for 1 turn. Here's a rough breakdown of the Etna Line. It is divided into 3 sectors - Santo Stefano (Sector 1), Troina-Adrano (Sector 2), and Catania (Sector 3). You've seen this before, you expected this. Roughly -�S1: Gr 15 PzGren Div, It 208 Coastal Div, It 28 "Aosta" Div, It Mobile Group A S2: Gr 29 PzGren Div, Gr XXII Flak Brigade, Gr 14 Armee Flak + PzGren, It 26 "Assieta" Div S3: Gr Hermann Goering Div, It Mobile Group B, It 230 Group, It 4 "Livorno" Div, It 54 "Napoli" Div, It 213 Coastal Div, It Messina Naval Btn The paratrooper division will arrive in Messina Turn 3 and will be spread throughout the line where necessary. Probably one regiment in Brolo. There's a whole bunch of stuff that could be transferred from the mainland and Sardinia, but I only get sea transport if Catania falls. I'll have to think about that one. I wish the sea transport were tied to a theater option that appears at the end of July. The It 18 Inf Bgd has occupied Scoglitti and destroyed US transport and shipping assets. The trapped 206 Coastal Div makes a desperate breakout attempt. Attack - [Succeeded] 22 planes (12%) for 11 planes (7%); come on, does my airforce always have to lose? Bombardment of Canadians w/ 206 CD Arty - 14%; their artillery was unprepared and I took out 14 of 60 25-pounders Again - 11%; 9 more 25-pounders And Again - 8% Wow, The Canadians Are Dumb - 8%; the Canadian artillery is down to 27/60 guns [image]local://upfiles/22305/9A83A5D0014642D38C5192C2B34C8BEE.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Supply (2/1/2010 1:27:18 AM)
Should I have placed supply points in Brolo and Santo Stefano? I'm not sure. When the Allies did their landings, supply was a huge, huge, huge problem, nearly ending the operations in disaster. I think I'll leave the supply points out of the scenario (but warn the player in the briefing) to keep the Allied player on his toes, and make him think twice about launching an end run. It adds an element of serious risk for the Allied player, particularly since the addition of the ports and other stuff has given the Allies a bit of an edge overall. Thoughts?

mike1984 -> Turn 2, July 11 - British (2/1/2010 7:11:22 AM)
Turn 2, 11 July 43 British... It looks like the Axis forces north of Vizzini have retreated north, quite rapidly. The British 1st Airland Bde, and the 50th and 5th Divisions, have faced no resistance; the three divisions are nearing Gerbini, as the 5th Division's recon unit is adjacent to the first line of airfields. The British Engineers quickly dealt with the Augusta Italian Naval unit, which surrendered on first contact. West of Noto, the 51st Division and Canadian 1st Division enveloped the Italian infantry, forcing the surrender of nearly the entire division. From here, the two divisions will march north to follow the rest of the British army. [image]local://upfiles/31611/557CA02DF45049CDBF03298050AECC70.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Turn 2, July 11 - Americans (2/1/2010 7:11:56 AM)
Americans... South of Piazza Armerina, the US 1st and 45th Infantry Divisions, and the 82nd Airborne advance quickly north, surrounding and bypassing the German Heavy Panzer battalion north of Niscemi. Along the west flank, the 3rd Division wiped out an Italian regiment, while the 3rd's recon company divided up to scout as much territory as possible, capturing Caltanissetta in the process. Since the Axis forces are pulling back to the Mt. Etna region of Sicily, it should be relatively simple to march north to the coast. After that, I'm not so sure it will be that easy. [image]local://upfiles/31611/81822F211BE1421DAFB33EC20A618960.jpg[/image]

desert -> RE: Turn 2, July 11 - Americans (2/1/2010 8:11:55 AM)
Turn 2 - 7/11/43 Total Plane Losses: 29 The Allies are sprinting forward this time, no delays - he knows what I'm planning. The British have nearly reached the Gerbini airfields, but the Sector 3 Line is basically complete. The Germans have started digging in in the other sectors, but there are many gaps that not even the Italian can fill. Because one regiment of the Fallschirmjaeger Div will be in Brolo, things could be tense for a while. I'll probably pull in half of the 202 CD from the West. The 18 Inf Bgd is still in Scoglitti and so far has only been hemmed in by a regiment of the US 45th, spread thinly around the city. The Tigers have repulsed probes by the 1 ID but have been surrounded and will probably be eliminated next turn.

mike1984 -> Turn 3, July 12 - British (2/1/2010 6:58:53 PM)
Turn 3, 12 July 43 British... The British 5th Division's advanced guards ran into the Axis line just south of Catania. Gerbini fell without a shot being fired; all the Axis planes were evacuated before I got there. The 1st Airland Bde will hold in the airfields, while the infantry won't get too close just yet. I don't want to invite a general engagement until a few more brigades or divisions arrive. In the rear, the British 50th and Canadian 1st divisions are marching quickly along the coast to join the 5th. The 51st Division is cleaning up the area south of Vizzini. Most of that division will be removed next turn, so I won't go wasting them in a line position. [image]local://upfiles/31611/CE150C157B8C41EFAFCF017DAC6AAD56.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Turn 3, July 12 - Americans (2/1/2010 6:59:36 PM)
Americans... The US 45th Division left one regiment to deal with the Italians left over near the coast, while the full command marched north to capture Piazza Armerina and near Enna. The 1st Division is close behind, withe a regiment and supporting units destroying the German Heavy Panzer battalion north of Niscemi. The 82nd Airborne is marching parallel to the two infantry divisions. In the west, the 3rd Division is mopping up some Italian regiments near Agrigento, while the flanker units are scouting and screening the areas near Caltanissetta. There has been relatively no resistance against the Americans, which worries me. Several fighter wings have been flown to the island. [image]local://upfiles/31611/683F5442B28940C590D7A28C5E8A954B.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Turn 3, July 12 - Air Losses (2/1/2010 7:00:23 PM)
Here are my air losses so far. Not bad... [image]local://upfiles/31611/CD4966557B644A3AAEA2B127652641DA.jpg[/image]

desert -> RE: Turn 3, July 12 - Air Losses (2/1/2010 7:14:58 PM)
Turn 3 - 7/12/43 Total Plane Losses: 40 Turn Plane Losses: 11 Well, my Tigers are gone. This is a crippling blow - a battalion of Tigers is worth as much as a division of Italians. The Etna Line is complete aside from 6 undermanned hexes that will be filled in with some elements of the 202 CD and the German paratroopers. I will probably withdraw the It XII Corps from Cerda next turn. The British have occupied the Catania Plain and Gerbini. The Americans have reached Enna. All their forces are heading Northwest, except for the US 3 ID, which will occupy the rest of the island, including Palermo. I hope he doesn't use the full division for amphibious landings behind me. The Italian brigade in Scoglitti was defeated by that single regiment, probably with naval support. It's still a formidable force. Bombardment of Gerbini - 1% I noticed I have 5 artillery units in Sector 3, but only 3 in Sector 2, and 4 in Sector 1.

mike1984 -> Turn 4, July 13 - British (2/1/2010 10:52:42 PM)
Turn 4, 13 July 43 British... The Axis line is being observed stretching from Catania, west to at least 5 miles south of Adrano. The light bridge southwest of Adrano was blown, but the heavy bridge between Adrano and Traoino is still intact. There is some regular German Wehrmacht north of Traoina, which leads me to believe that the Etna Line extends from Catania to Adrano to Traoina. The British 5th Division rests south of Catania, but north of the Gerbini River, while the 50th Division takes up a line southwest of the blown bridge. The Canadians are moving north, passing west of Gerbini. Most likely, I'll have them work with the Americans to seize Traoina or Adrano. But that will have to wait at least two days. [image]local://upfiles/31611/1E65FF8F8DEA4BD5B4F472FADDC8FBED.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> RE: Turn 4, July 13 - British (2/1/2010 10:53:04 PM)
Americans... The US 82nd Airborne is less than 10 miles from the north coast of Sicily. With the 45th and 1st divisions rapidly approaching Nicosia, there should be little trouble advancing on Santo Stefano and San Fratello. It could be more prudent to seize the northern coast road before attempting an assault on the Traoina-Adrano link. In the south, the 3rd Division is facing multiple obstacles, mostly blown bridges. With the arrival of the 2nd Armored scheduled for 18 July, I'm not sure whether or not to devote any significant strength to securing the western-half of Sicily. It's not strategically important, and there is no tactical benefit to destroying the token rear-guard Italians garrisoned in the towns and villages. [image]local://upfiles/31611/F997563221E04DDBB7271BFC13BB426E.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> RE: Turn 4, July 13 - Central Sicily (2/1/2010 10:54:29 PM)
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mike1984 -> Turn 5, July 14 (2/7/2010 3:38:24 AM)
Turn 5, 14 July 43 British... The German and Italian units are intermingled in a fortified line stretching west/northwest from Catania. The British infantry have no hope to just smash through on their own. The 5th and 50th Divisions are holding a position along the Gerbini River, while the Canadians are moving behind them northbound. In a major boost to British firepower, 4 armored brigades and a guards brigade landed at Syracuse, and are following the path the 82nd Airborne took earlier in the week. With the tanks available to support an attack, I suspect an operation to break through near Adrano would be somewhat successful. But more scouting of the Axis line is needed before any plans can be made. The Adrano-Traoina sector of the Etna Line is the only part that hasn't been investigated. Americans... II Corps is an organizational mess right now, with divisions mixed with each other, clogging the roads north of Nicosia. The 82nd Airborne is the only full division deployed in line, between Traoina and Nicosia. I really want to get the 1st and 45th divisions up and ready as soon as possible, and get pressure on the Axis line between Fan Fratello and Santo Stefano. Palermo won't be available for seaborne operations right away, until after the provisional corps captures the city. Even after its capture, it's far behind my lines, and would require a major shift of units from the front lines, in the face of strong enemy troops. In a few days, the 2nd Armored will land on the island, and will make haste to reach the northern coast and support any breakthroughs. I wouldn't be surprised to see an earlier breach in the Etna Line by the armor-supported Canadians. But we'll see how that goes. [image]local://upfiles/31611/C952D0FC206D4236A4EDEA7162A271E0.jpg[/image]

desert -> RE: Turn 5, July 14 (2/7/2010 8:35:18 AM)
Turn 5 - 7/14/43 � Total Plane Losses: 93 Turn Plane Losses: 25 The Americans have reached Sector 3. Forward elements of the US 3 ID have reached Ribera. A regiment of the 5th ID has cut the northern rail line, isolating the remaining units in the west. [image]local://upfiles/22305/365A0BFFBDEF49BB808D982BD17FF3B1.jpg[/image]

mike1984 -> Turn 6, July 15 (2/8/2010 1:44:13 AM)
Turn 6, 15 July 43 British... Will I go after Catania, or won't I? The enemy has left a weak force of Italians--a few Germans are thrown in to give the appearance of real defense--around Catania. I could go after the weakest part of the Etna line, possibly break through quickly, and hope for a rapid advance towards Messina before his reinforcements arrive from Sardinia and Italy. Or, I could just leave the British 5th and 50th divisions near Catania, and concentrate my efforts in the north, all along knowing that he has no chance to land reinforcements. It's a tricky situation to be in; for both of us. The British armor and guards are following right behind the Canadians. I might have to scrap my plans for a breakthrough near Adrano. It looks like there is one German Panzergrenadier Division, supplemented by the German 1st Airborne (FJ) units. Now that the entire British half of the Etna Line is scouted, I can take some time to develop a plan; but not too much time. Americans... The 45th Division, along with the 442nd RCT (the elite Japanese-American soldiers) make an initial assault on Santo Stefano, but were thrown back with 25% casualties. The Axis troops in the town sustained 27% of their own, including a bunch of planes shot down. I didn't expect the attack to work, but it did gain valuable information about the town's defenders. The 2nd Armored can't arrive soon enough. [image]local://upfiles/31611/F0A60F92B2DE41B8998174172C4C7081.jpg[/image]

desert -> RE: Turn 6, July 15 (2/8/2010 2:46:52 AM)
Turn 6 - 7/15/43 Total Plane Losses: 113 Turn Plane Losses: 20 I just got a couple hundred German planes. Air Superiority is 8/5 in my favor. Santo Stefano just withstood a catastrophic attack in which both sides lost a quarter of their strenght. The Allied navy supported, explaining the high losses. The 4 Fallschirmjaeger Reg in Brolo will be replaced with the Italian 6 Army HQ. The paras will act as a reserve in Sector 1. The US 3 ID reached Palermo and Corleone. Ribera was surrounded, and the 120 Coastal Reg there will attempt a breakout. Attack on Battalion of 15 Reg - [Failed] 4 bombers (7%) for 3% Attack Again - [Succeeded] 9 planes (7%) for 4% At the end of the day, air losses had tripled to 18 and AS was 4/3. But the Allied air force lost more, I think.

cantona2 -> RE: Turn 6, July 15 (2/9/2010 7:25:54 PM)
Does this mod address the MP issue in this scen?

mike1984 -> MP Issue (2/10/2010 7:12:26 PM)
What do you mean? Forgive me for not understanding...

cantona2 -> RE: MP Issue (2/12/2010 1:09:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mike1984 What do you mean? Forgive me for not understanding... There was an issue with this scenario in which the movement points of units was eschewed. Armoured and mechanized units having the same MP's as infantry and so on.

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