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bruin -> Extreme fog of war? (2/1/2010 6:18:38 AM)
Was this intended - reading over my combat reports, there was no air to air action listed at all. However, according to intelligence report Japan had 19 A2A losses, I (allied) had 1. According to my ops report, a whole lot of kills were credited. Playing against the AI, using patch 2 hotfix 2, about to upgrade to hotfix 3 but didn't see anything about missing combat reports. Going to post the AARs in this thread, so it'll get a little long. from ops report: COL Gold P. of 8th FG/36th FS is credited with kill number 13 LTC Rutins D. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 13 CPT Miller, E.M. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 CPT Carlson O. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 3 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 5 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS attains ace status!! 1LT Morgan F. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 2 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 6 2LT Boain D. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 7 Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Aircraft sighted over Vella Lavella CPT Wilder T. of 49th FG/7th FS is credited with kill number 13 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 8 MAJ Older, C.H. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 6 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 9 Combat report: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 21, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 10 B-26 Marauder x 8 P-38F Lightning x 9 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 6 damaged B-26 Marauder: 2 damaged Oil hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 8 P-38F Lightning x 9 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Oil hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 6 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged Oil hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 50,87 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 19 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged Japanese Ships xAP Kashima Maru AK Amagisan Maru DD Akigumo Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 50,87 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 12 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged Japanese Ships AK Amagisan Maru xAP Kashima Maru Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 8 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 6 damaged Oil hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Denpasar , at 58,108 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft Wirraway x 9 Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 4 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wirraway bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 100 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 19th Division, at 56,104 (Soerabaja) Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft CW-22 Falcon x 2 Kittyhawk I x 4 A-20A Havoc x 12 B-26 Marauder x 9 P-39D Airacobra x 19 P-40E Warhawk x 22 Allied aircraft losses A-20A Havoc: 2 damaged B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 79 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 12 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 2 x CW-22 Falcon bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) (cut off here to save space, but everything after is ground combat).

Cuttlefish -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/1/2010 7:01:53 AM)
Check your ops report for the turn and see if there is any mention about "Transports flying to X intercepted." This occurs during the air transport phase and can trigger air-to-air battles, all of which occur offscreen. In my experience, at least, this is the most likely cause of otherwise unexplained air losses. In this case I would guess your forces bounced an air transport mission and its escorts and wreaked havoc. You kind of have to infer what happened from the available evidence. If there is no evidence of anything like that in the ops report then I'm clueless.

Chickenboy -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/1/2010 1:17:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bruin Was this intended - reading over my combat reports, there was no air to air action listed at all. However, according to intelligence report Japan had 19 A2A losses, I (allied) had 1. According to my ops report, a whole lot of kills were credited. Playing against the AI, using patch 2 hotfix 2, about to upgrade to hotfix 3 but didn't see anything about missing combat reports. Going to post the AARs in this thread, so it'll get a little long. from ops report: COL Gold P. of 8th FG/36th FS is credited with kill number 13 LTC Rutins D. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 13 CPT Miller, E.M. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 CPT Carlson O. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 3 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 5 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS attains ace status!! 1LT Morgan F. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 2 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 6 2LT Boain D. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 7 Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Aircraft sighted over Vella Lavella CPT Wilder T. of 49th FG/7th FS is credited with kill number 13 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 8 MAJ Older, C.H. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 6 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 9 Combat report: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 21, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 10 B-26 Marauder x 8 P-38F Lightning x 9 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 6 damaged B-26 Marauder: 2 damaged Oil hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Blenheim IV bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb 8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 8 P-38F Lightning x 9 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Oil hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 6 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged Oil hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 50,87 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 19 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged Japanese Ships xAP Kashima Maru AK Amagisan Maru DD Akigumo Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 50,87 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 12 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged Japanese Ships AK Amagisan Maru xAP Kashima Maru Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Allied aircraft B-26 Marauder x 8 Allied aircraft losses B-26 Marauder: 6 damaged Oil hits 7 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Denpasar , at 58,108 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Allied aircraft Wirraway x 9 Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 4 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wirraway bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 100 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 19th Division, at 56,104 (Soerabaja) Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft CW-22 Falcon x 2 Kittyhawk I x 4 A-20A Havoc x 12 B-26 Marauder x 9 P-39D Airacobra x 19 P-40E Warhawk x 22 Allied aircraft losses A-20A Havoc: 2 damaged B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 79 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 12 x A-20A Havoc bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 2 x CW-22 Falcon bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 10000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) (cut off here to save space, but everything after is ground combat). Agree re: the likelihood of air to air transport intercept here. Only other thing I can think of is recon intercept, but that's less likely in such numbers. More information would be helpful. Where are those two FS that saw all the action based? What type of aircraft was claimed to have been shot down in droves-was it a transport aircraft type? Were those FS LRCAPing a nearby hex to intercept incoming transport aircraft? This will help unravel the mystery.

topeverest -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/1/2010 5:04:13 PM)
FOW does remove certain combats and distorts others. It also can create fake ones. You will need to verify losses through the registers each and every turn. It always is a good idea to validate the combats occured by reviewing the units involved, and if you didnt get a repoprt, find the units that did take the losses. Uploading WITP Tracker can alleviate some of this uncertainty by reviewing the information in there. Look for it in the forum main page Trust me, this will be a constant source of consternation, but it is in fact part of the realism of not having perfect information. You have to use your best judgement on what you believe until you get a feel for what just seems too good or too bad to be true. Just put that into your turn mechanics

erstad -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/2/2010 5:30:46 AM)
I've seen air losses due to both sides having CAP in the same hex (one with CAP, one with LRCAP). There isn't a combat report for this but they apparently can tangle with each other.

bruin -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/2/2010 6:59:02 AM)
Aircraft A2A losses: Sonia - 7 Betty - 7 Zero - 6 Oscar - 1 Jake - 1 Hurricane IIb - 1 Oddly enough according to this total Japanese A2A losses counts up as 21, but the intelligence summary states 19. From what I see the following units were involved, and here is where they were based: 8th FG/36th FS (P-40E) - Merak (1 kill) 49th FG/9th FS (P-40K)- Batavia (8 kills) 35th FG/40th FS (P-39D)- Koepang (5 kills) 49th FG/7th FS (P-38F) - Batavia (1 kill) 8th FG/80th FS (P-40E) - Tjilatjap (1 kill) And of course my ops report shows only 16 kills. It's Oct '42 and I still own all of Java, but all the surrounding areas are captured. Enemy units are at Merak and Soerabaja. I own Koepang but the rest of Timor is Japanese. I am running no LRCaps, only regular cap. I can see that the Zero and Oscar kills may have come from the Japanese running LRCap over Merak from Oosthaven. But the other 14 I can't see coming from transport (where would they be transporting to?) You think I got 14 bomber kills from the enemy running recon or search missions? Nothing listed in the ops report I missed I don't think, here is the full ops report. OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 21, 42 SS Grenadier leaving patrol zone to replenish at Pearl Harbor SS Sealion leaving patrol zone to replenish at Soerabaja SS Sawfish assigned to defensive patrol 130, 162 - 130, 160 off SS Argonaut leaving patrol zone to replenish at Pearl Harbor SS Tuna leaving patrol zone to replenish at San Diego Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Tulagi Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Cox's Bazar Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Dagua Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Lae Coastwatcher Report: 4 ships reported in port at Milne Bay Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Port Moresby is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Gasmata Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Kiriwina Island Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Rossel Island Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Horn Island Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Noumea Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Luganville Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Umboi Island SS Tuna resumes patrol, enroute to 226 , 78 near San Diego No additional repairs possible on SS S-27 using currently assigned resources at Oak Harbor Repairs completed on SS Swordfish at Pearl Harbor, ship returned to service No additional repairs possible on SS Searaven using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on SS Seadragon using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on SS KXVIII using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on xAK Sloterdijk using currently assigned resources at Tjilatjap Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Lunga Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Finschhafen Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Lae Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Madang Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Milne Bay is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Port Moresby is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: 13 ships reported in port at Rabaul Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Kavieng Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Goodenough Island Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Rossel Island Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Noumea Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Tanna Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 101,133 near Milne Bay , Speed 3 , Moving Southwest Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 101,133 near Milne Bay , Speed 4 , Moving Southwest TF 154 shadowed by Japanese Float Plane at 68,116 near Koepang xAKL Yat Shing observes Japanese Aircraft at 76,124 near Darwin TF 263 followed by Japanese Float Plane at 76,124 near Darwin OS2U-3 Kingfisher reports periscope at 223, 77 near Port Hueneme Sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 50,87 near Lingga , Speed 10 , Moving Southeast COL Gold P. of 8th FG/36th FS is credited with kill number 13 LTC Rutins D. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 13 CPT Miller, E.M. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 CPT Carlson O. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 3 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 5 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS attains ace status!! 1LT Morgan F. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 2 2LT Johnson N. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 6 2LT Boain D. of 35th FG/40th FS is credited with kill number 7 Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Aircraft sighted over Vella Lavella CPT Wilder T. of 49th FG/7th FS is credited with kill number 13 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 8 MAJ Older, C.H. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 12 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 6 1LT Blair A. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 7 1LT Bong, R.I. of 49th FG/9th FS is credited with kill number 9 Japanese Aircraft sighted over Terempa Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Aircraft sighted over Vella Lavella Japanese Aircraft sighted over Chittagong Japanese Aircraft sighted over Calcutta Japanese Torpedo Bomber sighted over Chittagong Ki-46-II Dinah sighted over Calcutta Japanese Aircraft sighted over 46th Indian Brigade Japanese Aircraft sighted over 48th Gurkha Brigade Japanese Aircraft sighted over Chittagong Fortress Blenheim IV takes recon photos of Palembang F2A-3 Buffalo from VMF-213 at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance Kittyhawk IA from No.76 Sqn RAAF is damaged on landing Hurricane IIb Trop from 2-Vl.G.IV is written off B-17E Fortress from 308th BG/375th BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance F-4 Lightning from 8th PRS at March Field grounded due to maintenance F2A-3 Buffalo from VMF-221 at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance B-26 Marauder from 22nd BG/33rd BS is damaged on landing P-38E Lightning from 51st FG/25th FS at San Francisco grounded due to maintenance B-17E Fortress from 308th BG/373rd BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance MAJ Keith H. of 49th FG/9th FS bails out but is RESCUED P-40K Warhawk from 49th FG/9th FS crashes on landing LTC Hernandez R. of 8th FG/80th FS is credited with kill number 24 B-17E Fortress from 308th BG/375th BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance B-17E Fortress from 19th BG/30th BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance B-17E Fortress from 19th BG/30th BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance B-17E Fortress from 308th BG/425th BS at Batavia grounded due to maintenance SBC-4 Helldiver from VB-8 is damaged on landing P-38F Lightning from 49th FG/7th FS crashes on landing TF 87 shadowed by Japanese Float Plane at 76,124 near Darwin xAKL Yat Shing has spotted a Japanese Patrol at 76,124 TF 116 sights Japanese Float Plane at 65,87 near Brunei Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Recon sighted over Asansol Japanese Aircraft sighted over Imphal Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Asansol Japanese Fighter sighted over Banggi Ki-46-II Dinah sighted over Imphal Blenheim IV takes recon photos of Palembang Japanese Aircraft sighted over Changsha Japanese Aircraft sighted over Asansol Japanese Aircraft sighted over Imphal Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Ramree Island Japanese Fighter Bomber sighted over Dacca Ki-46-II Dinah sighted over Banggi Japanese Aircraft sighted over 4th Assam Rifles Battalion Blenheim IV takes recon photos of Palembang PBY-5 Catalina from VP-11 is damaged on landing B-17D Fortress from 11th BG/431st BG at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance B-17E Fortress from 7th BG/436th BS at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance F-4 Lightning from 8th PRS at March Field grounded due to maintenance F2A-3 Buffalo from VMF-213 at Pearl Harbor grounded due to maintenance P-38F Lightning from 49th FG/7th FS is damaged on landing 2 x Catalina I transporting 15th RAAF Base Force from Terapo 2 x Catalina I transporting 15th RAAF Base Force from Terapo 11 x C-33 transporting supplies to Koepang No additional repairs possible on SS S-27 using currently assigned resources at Oak Harbor No additional repairs possible on SS Searaven using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on SS Seadragon using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on SS KXVIII using currently assigned resources at Batavia No additional repairs possible on xAK Tjikandi using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja No additional repairs possible on xAK Sloterdijk using currently assigned resources at Tjilatjap TF 94 does not have enough fuel to complete mission TF 145 does not have enough fuel to complete mission TF 188 does not have enough fuel to complete mission TF 214 does not have enough fuel to complete mission Port Hueneme expands port to size 7 Prome expands airfield to size 2 Brunei expands fortifications to size 3 Ace pilot Rutins D. of 49th FG/9th FS is promoted to COL Ace pilot Burgard, G.T. of 49th FG/9th FS is promoted to 1LT Ace pilot Jenkins O. of 8th FG/80th FS is promoted to LTC Previous report of sinking of CA Kako incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service Previous report of sinking of CL Kashii incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service Lilly, L.G.W. reassigned CV Kaga is reported to have been sunk near Billiton on Sep 08, 1942 xAK Taiko Maru is reported to have been sunk near Merak on Apr 17, 1942 xAK Bisan Maru is reported to have been sunk near Pamekasan on May 31, 1942 CVE Altamaha arrives at Tacoma SS Haddo arrives at Balboa Loss of xAK Tweedbank on Jun 09, 1942 is admitted Loss of xAKL Sipora on Mar 21, 1942 is admitted No.36 Sqn RAF arrives at Tanjore

freeboy -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/2/2010 8:05:45 AM)
fow of war is awesome, but frustrating, in my pbem game I sunk, with it listed as sunk Kaga three times!!! Still not sunk.. BUGGER! Well, its now 1943, we just turn ove rinto January.. so hopefully we cna get some verified dead Kaga! on some others,[&o] lol

Miller -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/2/2010 12:27:06 PM)
I wish the IJN got a few of those coastwatcher reports........

John Lansford -> RE: Extreme fog of war? (2/2/2010 1:02:38 PM)
I've seen so many ships listed as sunk and then taken off of it that I only consider them really sunk if one of my ships gets to watch them go under. So far that includes the bulk of the IJN CV's; two of them sunk off of Brisbane, two sunk by surface action, Kaga sunk by 3 S-boats, and a couple others sunk near Guadalcanal. Yamato has been on and off the list, as was Nagato and I think Shokaku. Nagato raided PH in early '42 and sank several TF's in the area, but when I sent a 3 CV TF after her she ran like a whipped dog, taking DB hits all the way past Palmyra before she got away.

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