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Torplexed -> Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 3:39:03 AM)

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This is not a game question per se, but I've always been curious about this given that ships built especially for landing tanks in the surf didn't come along until later in the war. Historically, how did the Japanese offload tanks from transports in their initial offensive in the Philippines and Malaysia in areas without proper ports, or in a locale as primitive as Tassafaronga without specialized platforms like the LSTs? How did the US Marines get their M-3 Stuarts ashore at Guadalcanal? Somehow, I just can't envision even light tanks being hoisted with cranes over the side to be put on lighters to get ashore.




pompack -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 3:45:29 AM)

From what I understand about the Guadalcanal landing, getting the tanks into the lighters with cranes was the easy part; the hard part was getting them off of the lighters onto the beach. Apparently the lighters did not have ramps so they beached them and kind of took them apart to let the tank out: one lighter one tank



bklooste -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 6:15:20 AM)

For a 3-7 ton Japanese light tank thats pretty easy  ,for a Sherman its a different story. M3 Stuart is the same as a Japanese medium tanks 17 tons  , Shermans at 33 tons are interesting . The Japanese used few medium tanks in the pacific in island fighting that was a big disadvantage ( eg Tarawa) however it certainly made unloading them easier.

Note the Japanese "tanks" are not much more than the average car  a Hummer  is 2.7 tons.
Type 94  3.4 tons
type 97 was 4.7 tons
Type 95  7 tons

At least the ship cranes can easily hand the weight of the Japanese tanks , the US ones i dont know how they did it prob just more powerfull cranes.




castor troy -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 8:35:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bklooste

For a 3-7 ton Japanese light tank thats pretty easy  ,for a Sherman its a different story. M3 Stuart is the same as a Japanese medium tanks 17 tons  , Shermans at 33 tons are interesting . The Japanese used few medium tanks in the pacific in island fighting that was a big disadvantage ( eg Tarawa) however it certainly made unloading them easier.

Note the Japanese "tanks" are not much more than the average car  a Hummer  is 2.7 tons.
Type 94  3.4 tons
type 97 was 4.7 tons
Type 95  7 tons

At least the ship cranes can easily hand the weight of the Japanese tanks , the US ones i dont know how they did it prob just more powerfull cranes.






a Hummer is an average car? [:D] The average car in Austria weighs something around 1.2 tons.[;)]



Twotribes -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 8:53:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: bklooste

For a 3-7 ton Japanese light tank thats pretty easy  ,for a Sherman its a different story. M3 Stuart is the same as a Japanese medium tanks 17 tons  , Shermans at 33 tons are interesting . The Japanese used few medium tanks in the pacific in island fighting that was a big disadvantage ( eg Tarawa) however it certainly made unloading them easier.

Note the Japanese "tanks" are not much more than the average car  a Hummer  is 2.7 tons.
Type 94  3.4 tons
type 97 was 4.7 tons
Type 95  7 tons

At least the ship cranes can easily hand the weight of the Japanese tanks , the US ones i dont know how they did it prob just more powerfull cranes.






a Hummer is an average car? [:D] The average car in Austria weighs something around 1.2 tons.[;)]

No a Hummer is NOT an average car.



awadley -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 5:11:52 PM)

you got it, the Navy unloaded them into lighters and moved them ashore.  Unloading was hard as stated above.  But the Navy had been unloading them this was for some time and was good.  Just needed more time without air atack to get everything unloaded.



Brady -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/27/2010 5:15:30 PM)

Loading Tanks into a Toku-Daihatsu:

[img]http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/toku-daihatsu.JPG[/img]

Toku-Daihatsu, and Daihatsu, were designed to land tanks, trucks, guns, exc, they had a bow ramp.

[img]http://www.oniva.com/upload/2131/Toko_Doihatsu.jpg[/img]



Torplexed -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/28/2010 2:05:09 AM)

Thanks pompack, awadley, Brady. Lighters it was. I guess seeing is believing. [:)]

I imagine a precarious unloading method like that pretty much required the infantry to secure the beach head first.



carnifex -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/28/2010 4:13:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

quote:

ORIGINAL: bklooste

For a 3-7 ton Japanese light tank thats pretty easy  ,for a Sherman its a different story. M3 Stuart is the same as a Japanese medium tanks 17 tons  , Shermans at 33 tons are interesting . The Japanese used few medium tanks in the pacific in island fighting that was a big disadvantage ( eg Tarawa) however it certainly made unloading them easier.

Note the Japanese "tanks" are not much more than the average car  a Hummer  is 2.7 tons.
Type 94  3.4 tons
type 97 was 4.7 tons
Type 95  7 tons

At least the ship cranes can easily hand the weight of the Japanese tanks , the US ones i dont know how they did it prob just more powerfull cranes.






a Hummer is an average car? [:D] The average car in Austria weighs something around 1.2 tons.[;)]



Average passenger car in US is 1.75 tons and SUV is 2.1. My Jeep was 1.65 tons but is now pushing 2.2 tons. I'm looking to buy one of them fancy Japanese landing boats so I can invade stuff.



bklooste -> RE: Offloading tanks in primitive ports (2/28/2010 12:01:46 PM)

Average car in Australia is closer to 1.5-1.6 anyway 3.4 tons is not a lot.



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