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David boutwell -> (8/5/2002 9:33:25 AM)
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G_X,
It won't take you any time at all to have two very large, historically accurate city maps available to you today. Just go to Redleg's site and download my maps of Nijmegen and Arnhem.
Sorry to jump into your thread, Orzel, but it is very frustrating to me to read these threads from guys, who, through no fault of theirs, ask for maps of cities, as if nobody has ever done exactly what they are asking for. I've spent about the last year researching and creating these two maps, which are accurate down to the street names correctly spelled in Dutch. One can actually recognize the streets of these two maps from aerial recon photos taken before and during the Market-Garden campaign.
G_X, Nijmegen is nothing but city blocks, railroad yards, bridges and industrial areas. This map could represent any city. Arnhem densely packed city blocks as well as "suburban" neighborhoods and rural areas.
I let everyone know about them here in the forum, and Redleg mentioned them here and in his site as well. I make them available for everyone's enjoyment and use. The only thing that I ask is that if you download them, and you find them worth a ------, please let me know about it, and let others know that they are there. Because, at this point, I'm wondering why I bother. I read Redleg's guest book, which had three or four pages, I believe, and not one entry said, "Dave, thanks for the maps." Am I bitching, maybe.
I don't think that I would spend so much time and money on researching and creating these maps if it weren't for the fact that I have a "place to hang them", so to speak, where people can enjoy them and use them. If I didn't share them, they'd be sitting in my hard drive, not being used at all until I finish the maps for the whole Market Garden campaign. The fact that no one (other than me, which makes me look bad) jumps in and tells G_X that there are the kind of maps he is looking for already available is more than I could bear!
Now, to make this post worth Orzel's time, or space, or whatever, worthwhile...
Orzel, I think your maps are very good. I wanted to post earlier and tell you that, but I was jealous of all of the praise you were getting! I've talked up my maps for a long time in this forum, and haven't gotten as much credit as you have in this one post! **** right I'm jealous! But then I realized that I'd be hypocritical to not encourage you to continue with your work.
Your maps are better than the work of the vast majority of map makers whose work I've seen. And they aren't complicated. They just make sense. Anybody who has spent any time looking at topographic maps knows what I mean. I enjoy just browsing over them and noticing that there is a logical flow to your roads, streams wooded areas, fields, contour lines and building placement. So, whether people realize that or not, they have every reason to want you to make maps for them.
What "authority" do I have to be the judge of whether your work is good or bad? I guess you'll just have to look at my stuff and decide whether I have any at all. If you recognize good work, let me know. If you see what might be mistaken for a pile of ----, then ignore this whole post.....
Regards,
David Boutwell
"Out of ammunition. God save the King."
[QUOTE]Originally posted by G_X
[B]Berlin, Stalingrad, a Fictional City...
Yes Orzel, I know it would take a long time, especially for a large map with lots of details...
I'm not saying it has to be historically accurate, but I'd love to have a 80% or more city map for PBEM. I know there are a couple, but these end up mostly as cities with large open areas in them, rather unlike most cities I've seen. Yes, there are large areas in Cities, but I've seen Berlin, and most of the large open areas were out near the edge of the city, except for the shopping areas and such. Maybe I just didn't see enough of the city.
But when I think of a city fight I think of having basically streets, squares maybe 2 or 3 hexes wide, and buildings, lots of buildings for the infantry to fight each other at 0 to 1 hex range and such.
I know it may not be historically accurate, but it's more of a fun-factor thing for me I suppose, and It would be nice to have an almost-all city map for PBEM made by you Orzel, from the way your others look I think it'd be great. Yes, I do understand it'd take a while, and I'm not begging for it, so feel free to go on making other maps, they're great! :D I feel so cliche now...anyways. [/B][/QUOTE]
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