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kaleun -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/22/2010 9:30:23 PM)

I watched both parts back to back thanks to HBO on demand.
Loved them both.



cantona2 -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/22/2010 9:59:21 PM)

Ep2 a massive improvement and not just for the action shots. Was very impressed by it all, hope it carrys on in the same vein from now on. Got a real sense of the despair and desperation of the Marines on Gudalacanal.



jomni -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 1:18:42 PM)

For me the combat wasn't exciting.  It's just the same old Turkey Shoot in the Dark similar to Vietnam flicks.  But I like the fact that the show tacked the Marine's morale and psychology.  Sickness and hunger was a bigger enemy.  Quite disappointed that the Guadalcanal campaign is over after the 2nd show.  At the start of the show, the IJN ruled the seas, at the end of the show they got shipped out.  Not much story telling on the campaign side so I got confused on how that happened (gotta make some research if you don't know).



Swayin -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 7:24:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cantona2

Ep2 a massive improvement and not just for the action shots. Was very impressed by it all, hope it carrys on in the same vein from now on. Got a real sense of the despair and desperation of the Marines on Gudalacanal.



agreed - got to know the guys a little more (the "peaches" scene was hilarious). the night comabt was so disorienting that I dind't even know what was happening, so I rewound (I saw it On Demand last night), turned off all the lights and watched it again ... and still could tell WTH was happening. :(

All in all, though - great stuff. I like how the opening map drilled down to the closeup of the perimeter around Henderson Field.



AcePylut -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 7:27:12 PM)

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the night comabt was so disorienting that I dind't even know what was happening, so I rewound (I saw it On Demand last night), turned off all the lights and watched it again ... and still could tell WTH was happening. :(


Hey, I LIKE hearing this.  I don't like seeing "night combat" where I know what's going on.

With the caveat that I've never been in night combat, everything I've read and heard about it are consistent with the word "chaos".  So that's what I want in night combat scene's, chaos, confusion.  And we got that!



Swayin -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 7:33:51 PM)

I get what you're saying, night combat *should* be disorienting ... but, if while you're watching it, it all amounts to 5 minutes of gunfire and close combat where you can't tell anything that is happening, it's gone too far to be "dark," IMO. The climax battle of Platoon is a great example - very dark, but directed in a way so that you could tell who was who and what they were doing. There was a scene last night where some Marines running back for ammo meet up with some Japanese soldiers, and there was a lot of grunting and cursing in two languages, but zero idea of what was happening. Just a little frustrating, but i loved the episode, all told.



usersatch -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 7:56:14 PM)

Had they done the night scenes so that we could follow along closely, then a bunch of folks on here would have complained that it wasnt realistic enough. LOL



Swayin -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/23/2010 7:57:11 PM)

Two sides to every coin, no doubt! [:D]



Apollo11 -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 11:44:50 AM)

Hi all,

I watched both episodes on HBO here...


Well... what can I say... my feeling about this new series are ubiquitous...


#1
When giving general history situation it did very very poor job (both at the beginning describing world situation) and, especially, regarding situation on Guadalcanal with USN (don't even want to mention total lack of any info about brave Henderson Field pilots without who the whole story has no sense at all).

This is, sadly, on par with very very bad "general population" history mostly shown on "History Channel"...

[:@]


#2
There is total lack of info regarding professional Marine soldiers (i.e. NCOs), how they got into Marines and ordinary (drafted of volunteers) Marine soldiers (and their training - they joined up and then they went to combat in just few seconds of episode time on TV).

[:(]


#3
The specific combat seems OK and that is best part of the show.

[:)]


Thus... is it good or is it bad... well... since there is nothing else compared to it I consider it good (even with flaws)... so... IMHO let's just enjoy the show... [:)]



Leo "Apollo11"



mike scholl 1 -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 11:58:53 AM)

If they were making a 50-part series, much of what is being pointed out as "flaws" would be valid.  But we have to accept the premise and viewpoints they chose to deal with in judging "The Pacific".  If it does Marine small unit actions and activities well, then it should be judged a success.  Perhaps a better title for the series would have been "WW II with the Mud Marines".



Panther Bait -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 2:19:07 PM)

I agree that the name is somewhat misleading, but it's not been described as a general history of the Pacific War.  Just like Band of Brothers didn't detail the strategic bombing campaign or the U-boat war (or any combat before June 44 for that matter), the Pacific has a very narrow focus. 



Nikademus -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 2:40:14 PM)

what is the focus.....is just the three guys i read mentioned?



Chickenboy -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 3:05:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Well... what can I say... my feeling about this new series are ubiquitous...

Hi Leo,

Did you mean 'ubiquitous' or 'ambiguous'? [:)]



Panther Bait -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 4:49:22 PM)

Yes, it is based primarily on the memoirs of Eugene Sledge and Robert Leckie. John Basilone is also a main character (with some information on Basilone at Iwo Jima filled in with Chuck Tatum's memoir since the other two didn't serve there).

So, the entire story is basically going to be filtered through the eyes of the Marine infantry regiments (mostly from 1st Marine Division). The series goes to Guadalcanal (Leckie and Basilone), Cape Gloucester (Leckie), Peleliu (Sledge and Leckie) and Okinawa (Sledge Only). Basilone goes home after GC for a war bond tour, then goes to Iwo Jima as part of the 5th Marine Division.

So, obviously there won't be much, if anything, in the way of first-hand accounts of naval or air battles during the war.

Seems like Tom Hanks and Steven Speilberg have an affinity for the ground-pounders.

Mike



usersatch -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 5:08:49 PM)


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Seems like Tom Hanks and Steven Speilberg have an affinity for the ground-pounders.



I knew there was a reason I liked them ;)



Apollo11 -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 6:30:15 PM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Well... what can I say... my feeling about this new series are ubiquitous...

Hi Leo,

Did you mean 'ubiquitous' or 'ambiguous'? [:)]

quote:

ambiguous


Typos'r'us... [8D]


Leo "Apollo11"



jomni -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/25/2010 11:49:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: usersatch


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Seems like Tom Hanks and Steven Speilberg have an affinity for the ground-pounders.



I knew there was a reason I liked them ;)



If it's a show about the navy then it will be a massive CG fest.
And the CG of the naval bombardment when they attacked Guadalcanal looks so fake.
So I'm happy with ground pounders.



AcePylut -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/26/2010 12:11:19 AM)

I enjoyed the bombardment scene.

I felt a good sense of dread... slowly watching those shells march along the battle-line, until they were right on top of the soldiers, gave me the chills. That was darn good imho.




sfbaytf -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 4:05:56 AM)

Not much comment on episode 3. Guess when the DVD set comes out DVD number 3 won't be worn out from overuse...



Misconduct -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 4:29:33 AM)

Ok 3 sex scenes and John wins a medal of honor which sums up episode 3, seriously what were they thinking of writing this episode? They could of done an episode on the Cactus Airforce, or Port Moresby, I think they scuffed this episode horribly. Way to go Pearl Harbor movie you just invaded The Pacific.





Crimguy -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 6:15:09 AM)

I liked it. The girl was hot.



John Lansford -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 12:34:35 PM)

They're chronicling the story of the 1st Marine Division as seen through the eyes of Sledge and Leckie.  The division was sent back to Melbourne to rebuild after Guadalcanal, and it was a big deal for the men.  I've got no problem with this episode, it's basically Leckie's story on what he did there.  I reread this part of "Helmet for my Pillow" after it was over, the entire episode could have been lifted out of his book (other than Basilone's parts).  He did get stood up by her so she and her parents wouldn't suffer if (when) he got killed, he did get stinking drunk and pull a gun on an officer, he did go to the brig, and he did get reassigned to a recon company.

I agree that Leckie's girlfriend was insanely hot.  While the soft porn scenes were surprising, they weren't exactly unexpected either; this is HBO after all.  Remember the scene in BoB with the German girl in the barn?



Chickenboy -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 3:04:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Crimguy

I liked it. The girl was hot.

A man of few words. I agree! [&o]



usersatch -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 3:51:18 PM)

We need more blood, guts, dismemberment, and less tasteful sex scenes with really hot women!

I thought Part 3 was integral to the overall story. If we want to see these guys as men/people, and not as just killing machines, we need to see the "downtime", which includes the obligatory drinking, fighting, sex, etc. to let off steam and decompress. I'm a combat infantry vet, but endured nothing close to Guadalcanal, but had I been there, I know that drinking, fighting, and sex would have been a really big part of my story! lol

I have not read the books upon which this series is based on, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that the scene where he gets dumped by the Aussie girl plays a factor later on in the story.



sfbaytf -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 5:10:28 PM)

I think in this crowd character development means scenes of boot camp where the main characters are subjected to copious amounts of abuse heaped on them by overzealous DI's.

I think episode 3 will play into the next episode-4. If I correctly interpreted what I saw in the previews of the next episode one of the characters who found love while on leave in Australia finally has enough of killing and war in Bougainville and decides he wants out.



John Lansford -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 5:11:55 PM)

I think they put in an episode in Melbourne so we can see just how terrible their next "recovery" base is after they go to Cape Gloucester.  In every book I've read, Pavuvu is mentioned with disgust, hate and loathing, and even after the Marines return there after Pelieliu it was still thought of as a hellhole (even though it was much improved).



Crimguy -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (3/30/2010 6:01:25 PM)

I agree that it was needed to finally give some character development. I particularly like how they portrayed Basilone as a somewhat reluctant hero. Unlike most stories which glorify the heroes to the point of deity-status, in Basilone we see him as one of many very brave soldiers during the Guadalcanal campaign. His act of heroism, while selfless, bordered on crazy. Perhaps that's what it takes to distinguish oneself to such an extent . . .

His drinking and (almost) taking the MP's jeep was very good stuff indeed.

As for Leckie - it was a bit melodramatic, but I felt for the guy which is rare coming from a cynical d**khead like me. There's been absolutely no character development until this episode, and they didn't do the obligatory boot camp episode. I might have preferred backstory in the way Oliver Stone did it in Platoon - their acts in the field defined their character. But this was ok. I'm sure we'll get back to fighting next week.



sfbaytf -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (4/7/2010 9:07:40 PM)

Interesting...the sound of silence after episode 4, just like 3. No question the pace and overall action is far different than Band of Brothers. In BoB you had the first episode deal with character development and the rest was pretty much non stop action till the last episode. I thought 4 was good and fit into the overall scheme of things. Overall TP does have a feel that is different. Non sure if the pace and feel is what many were expecting though. The last 2 kinda does have something of a soap opera feel to it.

From the looks of the preview of 5, it may be getting back on track to what many wanted to see-lots of intense fighting and battle scenes.



witpqs -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (4/7/2010 10:23:30 PM)

There is good and bad. Overall, though, the show gives the feeling of a series of text messages. Although in places good, continuity is quite bad.

Also, various passages critical to the feelings of the Marines and the hardships they faced are just too short to really drill the point home. Just one example is the battleship bombardment - how many seconds was that in the show? If they really wanted to drive home the impact it should have been at least twice as long. As it was - text message! Over in a flash. Did not put the matter across.



Kwik E Mart -> RE: The Pacific (TV Show) (4/7/2010 11:46:01 PM)

mid way thru the 4th episode all i could think of was Hawkeye and the shrink he called Sigmund Freud...



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