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Sheytan -> RE: Uber Subs - Still (4/4/2010 11:38:20 PM)
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Agreed. The entire sub/asw model needs to be reexamined. I find myself more so in fear of IJN subs then any other single factor in day to day operations in my current game. With carriers bieng the only effective spear point you have early on as allies, the fact that allied asw is ineffective, and the IJN subs so effective makes me want to actually again table the game.
Im not sure how all this is scripted, but each DD/DE etc in a TF should reduce sub effectiveness and further screen the TF from direct torpedo attack. At any rate as I understand it this was the doctrine and it was generally effective.
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ORIGINAL: Misconduct
Here's my problem with the whole submarine problem, my ASW taskforces have been running around Noumea, Townville for 2 months now without even attacking a single sub, all commanders are highest they can be for naval and Aggressive. Not a single Hit on a submarine in this time.
Now I split 4 carriers up, each got a dedicated ASW taskforce following, one at Townville, Noumea, Sidney, and Luganville with entire air groups dedicated to ASW work and guess what, 4 subs have sank so far after 2 turns. Not from the ASW TF but the aircraft themselves. Who have ASW ratings around 30 where my ASW TF has the best skipper/TF Commander I can afford for them and they don't hit nothing.
I am playing as allies, however on the japanese side I can see where the highest trained crew and skill comes in, because they have been blownig my subs out the water anytime one of the little escort boats lands on my sub hex. So far I have 9 subs sent to Sidney for repair, however the damage the subs have caused pretty much makes up for the nasty ASW the japanese has. I can see where in 44 this is going to be a problem.
Basically as long as the allied ASW groups have low experience they are worthless unless put with a carrier, where they actually shine when hit by a frign bomb from an aircraft since the sub can't escape then.
Only problem I have right now, is the Japanese ASW is way to good, its been well documented Japanese invested no interest in ASW till mid/late 44 so these little SC and escort boats that are shreading my subs in open deep water really come unhistorical - i don't care how good the skipper and crews were.
I think only way to solve this is do something with the depth charges to make them less accurate, because I knew a few instances they mentioned Gato subs would dive deeper the max setting used by japanese ASW groups and escaped simply running deep, so only way I can see this fails is a sub being in a coastal hex where the max Depth would probably be under 100ft. Just my 2 cents i'm not an expert or anything just giving my point of view :)
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