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castor troy -> RE: SBD-3 production is wrong (6/10/2010 7:52:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste Castor I wouldnt crit skill levels- sure in Nemos game that is the case but Joe and Cuttlefish are not beginners i think your one of the few ( only) 43 game where its even and you have had some unlucky engadgements. Japan has a limited capacity due to onboard resources ( eg x * 4 years - shipping losses ) . The thing is Japan can prob ramp up to her end 42- mid 43 level in 6 months with the starting supply & oil pool which makes it difficult for the allies in 41 but those resources spent do not show till late 43 . Look at Cuttlefish after the resources were cut of he had no stockpile and was down to 3 planes a day in mid 43 , part of the reason for this is burning through the stockpile in 41-42. I really liked how in some AARs ( Mike and Seydliz) they kept building Nates, Sallies etc due to engines in the pool and supply costs or turn of light industry these players will be better of in 43-44. I used to think the best option for Japan was to really force the allied air to battle so the veterans at start exact a maximum toll , force the allies to commit badly trained troops and replacements have the most time to train. However this helps the late 42 -early 43 situation it creates huge issues in 44 due to extra supplies used in building new factories and air. So i think it is a fine balance with little experience in 44 most players have gone with the have lots of planes in 41 strategy which means the allies with a Europe first policy wont have enough to challenge Japan in 42. IMHO your really need to play Japan against a competent allied player. hmm, I wonder what unlucky engagements I had because I neither have empty carriers or lost a single carrier nor anything else of importance. 2 BBs lost on my side, 1 on the other with me not losing any cruisers (except the Dutch crappy ones) and perhaps a good dozen DDs lost on my side but already 4-6 CAs and numerous DDs lost on the other. Speaking about 1/43, numbers out of my head as I´m at work now. My opponent has done a good conquest of more or less the historical areas, also took out PM and Northern Australia though but surely not one of those "I go for the map things". And I would definetely rate him as a competent player. I´ve played thousands of WITP PBEM turns but it´s my first AE PBEM, I wouldn´t call me inexperienced though. I sure am a ranting bitch but going after the results of my PBEMs I´m probably not a walkover. Like I´ve said, I´m going forward pretty conservative, trying to minimize losses as much as possible (every single freighter lost is one too much) but I´ve also not done something freaky (like you see often enough) when people do a 1000 mile leap with an armada to land "somewhere" on the map and "somewhere" is as far from the front as Washington DC. Just like taking Berlin in 43 with two airborne divisions. We´re playing scen 2 and it was started under patch 2 so no idea if that makes any difference. IMO Cuttlefish didn´t lose because he ran out of fuel/rescources, he lost because he lost his carriers. As soon as you run out of carriers, the Allied can advance up the route Q-Ball took far easier in early 43 than in mid/late 43 due to the difference in available Japanese aircraft. Close down the SRA and that´s it, no matter what year we´re talking about. But that was true for WITP also. Why Joe and Nik lost, I´m not really sure about it, I felt it was kind of a really freaky game. [:D] But I wouldn´t take two on two campaigns as a really good example anyway because it seems that most often screws up more things than the IJA and IJN did in real life. In WITP Allied players won the game with an "going around Australia to do a 500 ship invasion of Java" many times but that always felt like an airborne invasion of Berlin to me. I don´t want to critisize neither of those players in the AARs we´ve mentioned but if you lose your carriers or most of your fleet in 42 then you either did something wrong or your opponent(s) did something really right IMO. And then it´s just game over. It´s pretty much as in WITP, people always said you´re a sitting duck as the Japanese at some point of the game and still have I had many occasions in WITP where I´ve sunk a dozen Allied carriers in the later stages of the game with concentrated attacks of LBA and the massed KB a day or two later. Did it cost me a couple of hundred aircraft? Yes it did. Did I care about those aircraft after the first halve dozen CVs were sunk? Sure not. With the new air routines I expect the same in AE and with the average aircraft output of the Japanese in the game (going with the reports of Japanese players) you definetely do have a chance IMO. It´s 1/43 in my game, I haven´t really been beaten anywhere (neither did I lose important ground units, nor any important shipping or had ongoing airbattles totally depleting my pools, I´ve also got something like 2000 skill 70 pilots of all types in the pool - but no aircraft to put them in) and the game is going a more or less historic pace at the moment. But as mentioned, I´ve got perhaps a good dozen bombers for my frontline squadrons and it would take you a while when going through my AAR to find any real slaughters of my airforce in the last 6-10 months (I´m leading with Allied 3000 vs Japanese 4000 aircraft in the loss list). It´s the first PBEM for me in AE but I realized quickly to keep my airforce from the enemy if I can´t be sure to overwhelm him. Of course, now that we´re in 43 with the very important month 2/43 around the corner and me not having suffered real losses I expect it to become more one sided and a faster pace of my operations.

castor troy -> RE: SBD-3 production is wrong (6/10/2010 8:10:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bradfordkay quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton quote: ORIGINAL: bradfordkay With PDU off, the dutch get only one squadron that upgrades to the Hurri IIbTrop. That's hardly a war winner. You only get about a dozen of these planese produced at best so the ability to assign them to more than one squadron is meaningless. You can save the Dutch Hurricanes and actually assign them to a RAAF fighter squadron. However, since you get so few they are not that useful. I used them for the defense of Java. So far, I've lost four of the twelve. and if you´re unlucky, you can lose all twelve of them in one or two days. Same with a monthly bomber replacement of any type (except 4Es, really hard to lose 16 in a day - when not being bombed on the ground).

FatR -> RE: SBD-3 production is wrong (6/10/2010 10:34:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy You always mention one AAR that has the Allied being in the Philipines in mid 43 (not that surprising given the Japanese lost all their carriers long before), There are three AARs where Allies do as well or better by 1943 (also Aussies vs. Amis and Stoneage vs. Spruance). Out of, IIRC, five AARs where the game actually got to 1943 and beyond by now. I should point out, that Japan should be able to do better than in RL in 1942-43 (in 1944-45 sheer power of Allies should bring things closer to the historical results, no matter early Japanese advantages), more than half of the time, because in RL they have lost the Decisive Battle (tm) in June 1942, due to a hard-to-believe chain of mistakes and strokes of bad luck. Any decent player should avoid at least the first part. If Japan doesn't, then Japan is the side the game is skewed against, no matter how many minute details you try to argue while ignoring the larger picture. quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy You say 2 months isn´t enough (I know it´s enough for Allied pilots to reach 70 skill And I know that it isn't for Japanese pilots, whom I monitor more closely, under the latest patch. Which version of the game do you play? quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy Other people say they are swimming in pilots Which people? quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy while I´m swimming in trained pilots as the Allied player too. Because Allies have a metric ton of training squadrons on the West Coast. quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy It doesn´t matter if the Allied player is swimming in a thousand pilots in the pool if that´s twice as many as the Japanese, especially when I don´t have AIRCRAFT to put them into. I´m in 1/43 now, haven´t lost a single carrier, am on the offense, am playing very conservative and if I sum my USAAF bomber pool up (with all the crappy early bombers) then perhaps I´ve got some 40-50 bombers in the pool. And how many in the squadrons? By comparison, I have 28 modern bombers of all types in the pool for USAAF alone, with most squadrons filled out or only lacking 1-3 planes. In September of 1942. Also, your play, with many air attacks each turn, overburdening your search squadrons unreasonably, and so on is not what I can call "conservative". After looking at your AAR, I also don't get why the heck you complain in the fist place. Looking at the air statistics on page 17, Allies lead in sorties 1.5:1. Well, so much for not having enough planes. You should realize, that what you actually demand is an unstoppable Allied steamroller, that will utterly overpower Japanese no matter what, starting from some point from 1942. You should also realize, that if the developers give in to demands like this, all PBEMs will be ending by early 1944.

castor troy -> RE: SBD-3 production is wrong (6/10/2010 11:48:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatR quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy You always mention one AAR that has the Allied being in the Philipines in mid 43 (not that surprising given the Japanese lost all their carriers long before), There are three AARs where Allies do as well or better by 1943 (also Aussies vs. Amis and Stoneage vs. Spruance). Out of, IIRC, five AARs where the game actually got to 1943 and beyond by now. I should point out, that Japan should be able to do better than in RL in 1942-43 (in 1944-45 sheer power of Allies should bring things closer to the historical results, no matter early Japanese advantages), more than half of the time, because in RL they have lost the Decisive Battle (tm) in June 1942, due to a hard-to-believe chain of mistakes and strokes of bad luck. Any decent player should avoid at least the first part. If Japan doesn't, then Japan is the side the game is skewed against, no matter how many minute details you try to argue while ignoring the larger picture. quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy You say 2 months isn´t enough (I know it´s enough for Allied pilots to reach 70 skill And I know that it isn't for Japanese pilots, whom I monitor more closely, under the latest patch. Which version of the game do you play? quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy Other people say they are swimming in pilots Which people? quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy while I´m swimming in trained pilots as the Allied player too. Because Allies have a metric ton of training squadrons on the West Coast. quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy It doesn´t matter if the Allied player is swimming in a thousand pilots in the pool if that´s twice as many as the Japanese, especially when I don´t have AIRCRAFT to put them into. I´m in 1/43 now, haven´t lost a single carrier, am on the offense, am playing very conservative and if I sum my USAAF bomber pool up (with all the crappy early bombers) then perhaps I´ve got some 40-50 bombers in the pool. And how many in the squadrons? By comparison, I have 28 modern bombers of all types in the pool for USAAF alone, with most squadrons filled out or only lacking 1-3 planes. In September of 1942. Also, your play, with many air attacks each turn, overburdening your search squadrons unreasonably, and so on is not what I can call "conservative". After looking at your AAR, I also don't get why the heck you complain in the fist place. Looking at the air statistics on page 17, Allies lead in sorties 1.5:1. Well, so much for not having enough planes. You should realize, that what you actually demand is an unstoppable Allied steamroller, that will utterly overpower Japanese no matter what, starting from some point from 1942. You should also realize, that if the developers give in to demands like this, all PBEMs will be ending by early 1944. I agree to 100% what you say, perhaps this does end the discussion. And I will start a Japanese PBEM soon, considering my WITP experience, I wonder how I will perform.

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