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jay102 -> Defence of India (6/24/2010 10:25:55 AM)

Since the Indian coast line is very long, I think it is vulnerable to split my limited assets guarding all coastal bases. Need some advice about defence of India. Which base is a must and which base can be ignored?

Thanks.




moonraker65 -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 10:50:39 AM)

You should move most if not all your re-inforcements (Arriving at Aden) plus any units further away in India to the Burmese border bases - Imphal, Kohima, Chittagong and Cox's Bazaar, you might also want to think about moving a sizeable reserve force to Calcutta. Probably a good idea to keep some armour in reserve nearby perhaps at Dacca or Comilla in case you need to move it in a hurry to shore up. The Japanese don't usually try to bring armour to the CBI theatre but you never know. In any case Japanese tanks are far inferior to almost anything in the Allied Arsenal. Air wise get as many fighter squadrons to Imphal, Kohima, Chittagong and Dacca as you can spare early on. Silchar (Just above Imphal) is a good sized base to build up (Can be built up to Size 7) so get those base forces building up quickly. Bring some of the Blenheim Squadrons in as well, although not the best they can still do an effective job against Mandalay or Akyab if the Japs decide to base anything there. Above all be aggressive. If you keep the Japs guessing they'll have to split their forces to defend everywhere especially Northern Burma.




EUBanana -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 1:13:45 PM)

OK, brace for a rambling post on my experiences...

I've been enjoying a Japanese invasion of the Indian mainland hugely in my game! I think it's quite a unique experience in AE as a campaign, as fighting actually on the subcontinent is quite different in style from fighting in the usual Pacific conditions of dire supply and bad infrastructure. Allied forces in India are never going to be short of supply and the infrastructure is such that you may as well be fighting in the USA.

I think the main things are - pay attention to the rail network and what links what, and pay attention to the terrain you are choosing to defend in. A lot of India is open terrain - this is a deathtrap when trying to defend, and even more of a deathtrap if you're trying to move across it. Fight in forests or rough terrain whenever possible. The terrain in India is quite mixed. A Japanese attack at Bengal was countered in my game very effectively by a defensive line from Ranchi - Jamshedphur - Howrah, as all three of those bases are in rough terrain and are close enough to support each other. The big open space northeast of them, up to Patna, is a deathtrap for bombers, any LCUs advancing up there are bomber fodder.

Down south there are a few key bases as well. Just look at the rail links, try and close off each link while sitting a base hex with rough terrain, and preferably in land so it can't be bombarded by battleships.

Watch out for paras, there are plenty of Indian battalion sized units (Assam Rifle battalions for example) which IMHO should be used to ensure key rail lines are not seized in a paradrop. A single Bn will probably stop paras.

Armour in theory should be ideal in India but in practice I found it terribly vulnerable to air attack when out in the open and so ended up just attaching it to infantry and occasionally making flanking moves with it. It's tough to keep fighter cover over advancing LCUs. If you're moving stacks of units around the Indian countryside bring an AA unit along, the Brits have a gazillion AA battalions, don't forget them.

Airbases should be built up inland so they are immune to shelling. Raipur has served as an excellent base in my game, even as far off as Chittagong is in range of 4E bombers stationed at Raipur. Down south there is Trichonopoly which can support Ceylon most effectively as the entirety of Ceylon will be within fighter range while Trichonopoly is inland - if you think Ceylon is a possible target it's probably worth building up Trichonopoly asap. It isn't the only base mind, there are no shortage of potential airfields in India.

The rail network in India, and its size and terrain, makes ground combat there, in my experience, a totally different beast from other ground campaigns. You can respond to enemy moves with lightning speed - similarly the enemy can change his axis of attack with lightning speed as well. A week can be a long time in Indian fighting. Given that, I wouldn't get too excited about where in particular the enemy will land - as you say there's a lot of coast. Build up key points on the rail network and when he does land, move to seal him off. So defend flexibly, rather than statically. The fast movement speeds in India, and the wealth of engineers you got, allow you to do this.




moonraker65 -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 1:39:32 PM)

I've only had them land at Cox's so far. Easily retaken by 18th British, 23rd & 19th Indian Divisions plus 7th Armoured Brigade with Artillery support. That seems the most likely approach but as you say the Indian rail network makes things pretty straightforward for the Allies as far as moving things around in a hurry.




khyberbill -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 4:37:03 PM)

You got several answers all with varying responses. Ceylon, to me, would be a more attractive target, thus I tend to reinforce there first, and only beef up the main cities in the south of India. I think it is more attractive, because it is possible for Japan to get all of it. I send all those reinforcements for Rangoon/Singers to Colombo.




vinnie71 -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 7:35:28 PM)

I find that concentrations at Madras, Calcutta and frontier posts are the most economical use of force. Madras is normally used as the place d'armes in the south, with some armour regiments+several divisions and brigades building up their strength. I am hoping to use them either in an amphibous strike or alternatively as second wave/reserves for an eventual counteroffensive into Burma down the coast. The biggest concentration of force can be found in Calcutta where I have based the bulk of the army in order to make use as much as possible of HQs and supplies + facilitate air cover. These forces will be moved by train in case of an overland attack, which I am constantly on the look out for by sending regular recon missions from the frontier airstrips. Imphal, Kohima and Ledo I normally garrison with a division and a brigade, with a corps HQ close behind if possible. Artillery and engineers are also concentrated. Infantry units are rotated to Calcutta when I need them to rest, refit and upgrade their TO&E.

Once I have sufficient PPs I'd like to concentrate the British and Indian motorised divisions plus 2 armour brigades into one corps to have a battering ram capable of overrunning Japanese forces in the plains of Burma. One other corps of Indian divisions plus engineers and artillery would also proceed down the coast, take Akyab and open the road for the first corps. Hopefully I'll be able to execute this plan in mid 43 or so...




moonraker65 -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 9:52:44 PM)

Sounds like a good plan. I've used Chittagong for the US 10th Air Force as it's got a good sized airfield and can easily accomodate the 2 P-40 FG's (23rd and 51st) and they can cover both Chittagong and Cox's. Nearly always have at least 2 Hurricane squadrons at Calcutta.




crsutton -> RE: Defence of India (6/24/2010 10:07:30 PM)

As the Allied player, on turn one of the game I usually shift one entire American fighter group,  one entire medium bomber group and one heavy bomber group from the East Coast to Cape Town and then to India. It does not matter if they are cadres or not as you can fill them out later in India. You will find this extra firepower useful. Might be a good idea to send two or three American engineer units to India as well. Commonweath engineer units tend to be few in number and very weak.




vinnie71 -> RE: Defence of India (6/25/2010 6:21:09 PM)

Actually engineer units can be found in quantity in Singapore and therefore saving them is a priority in my book.

Re fighters, I also take the FAA fighter squadrons off carriers when they leave the theatre and maintain a good air guard over Calcutta with them.

Mind you, all my experience is against the AI which normally doesn't do much in India... 




topeverest -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 9:08:20 PM)

I agree that the most attractive reasonably attainable Empire military target in India is Celyon. Mainland India is far too islolated from Burma to be an easy target, unless the empire is willing to commit to major amphibious invasion in lieu of other targets like Oz. Addu and Diego Garcia are freebies if you go for Celyon.

By June 1, 42, the Allied armies, air forces, and navies in India are substantial. Not science here, but I feel that against an adequate PBEM allied opponent, India is a very risky gambit unless you clear Singapore early and leapfrog Burma by about Feb. Then it becomes the Empire's major war effort.

AI - sure...




vonSchnitter -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 9:26:07 PM)

Well,

call me names - but why should an attack on India - most likely modern day Bangla Desh or Cylon - be attractive ?

If the road network - or lack of - is anything to go by - Burma is quite a good position ?

Please enlighten me




AcePylut -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 10:14:03 PM)

If you take out Ceylon, you stop the production of 2 allied carriers.  That's about the only reason I can think of trying to take it.




EUBanana -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 10:45:35 PM)

Ceylon controls the Bay of Bengal, so you can probably clear the Bay of Bengal of all Allied shipping of consequence and keep it cleared until the Allies take Ceylon back again.

So you rule out any amphibious assaults or seaborne supply along the coastline from India to Malaysia for some time.

On the other hand Ceylon could easily turn into an attritional Guadalcanal of Dooooooom as its in range of any number of huge Indian airfields. Open air prison, mm mm.




PresterJohn001 -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 11:36:44 PM)

Whilst my honorable oppponent EU is correct about most comments in this thread i believe he overstates the case for Ceylon. Perpetual Thorn in the side of the allied war effort threatening the Indian coast with its long range naval bombers is how i prefer to view it. Especially as the Japanese upto Mid 43 can generate naval superioritory when they like and its good that allied 4E bombers are trying to sink an island rather than doing something useful. Still i wish him a valiant defeat as befits the crumbling British Empire.


(I play the Japanese against EU and invaded India!)




1275psi -> RE: Defence of India (7/2/2010 11:44:23 PM)

I always thought if you invaded India and crossed a certain point heaps of extra allied troops were released -is that true?




Q-Ball -> RE: Defence of India (7/3/2010 12:15:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 1275psi

I always thought if you invaded India and crossed a certain point heaps of extra allied troops were released -is that true?



You have to go "north" of New Delhi on the map (which is actually WEST IRL). That's pretty far into India.

No more capturing Karachi and wiping out the British though, like the old WITP days




EUBanana -> RE: Defence of India (7/3/2010 2:35:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PresterJohn
Especially as the Japanese upto Mid 43 can generate naval superioritory when they like and its good that allied 4E bombers are trying to sink an island rather than doing something useful. Still i wish him a valiant defeat as befits the crumbling British Empire.


[:D]

Hey, I bombed Port Moresby into a crater as well you know... [:D] [;)]




Alfred -> RE: Defence of India (7/3/2010 3:06:38 AM)

You guys really ought to read Nemo's AAR, in particular his last few posts, before coming to any particular conclusion regarding India.

Alfred




Nemo121 -> RE: Defence of India (7/3/2010 3:33:38 AM)

Hmm, do you actually want to dissuade an invasion or stop it at the coast?

Don't just assume you don't WANT India invaded. Once you start making assumptions about certain essential actions you are already boxing yourself in strategically. Keep an open mind, don't assume you actually don't WANT the invasion, work your way through the various basic questions most people never ask themselves and you might surprise yourself with the answers you arrive at.




moonraker65 -> RE: Defence of India (7/3/2010 8:52:52 AM)

Out of curiosity then - Do any of the AI (Jap) Scripts try to land above Cox's Bazaar ? I have strong forces there yet the AI seems insistant on trying to land there, in the process getting turned in to Swiss Cheese by my 3 divisions, 1 Artillery Bn and 1 Tank Brigade.




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