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Beatposse -> Sp:waw -- Sp:ww2 (8/2/2002 1:53:30 AM)

I have SP:WAW and have been playing it for a long time now. I just downloaded SP:WW2 and took only a quick look at it. I don't know what I expected to be different, but I sure didn't see anything offhand.
Do I even need to bother having both? What are the differences?



Supervisor -> (8/2/2002 3:09:04 AM)

It's a matter of preference as I myself can't stand the old outdated look of SPWW2 as it is still DOS based when SPWAW is 100% Windows based. Many veteran in here play both so you'll just have to try them both out.



Panzergrenadier49048 -> SPWWII v SPW@W (8/3/2002 9:29:09 PM)

I agree with gmenfan, SPWWII is a dated (DOS based) game with inferior graphics and sounds when compared with SPW@W.
I found the game to be far more buggy than SPW@W.



OKW-73 -> Re: SPWWII v SPW@W (8/3/2002 10:08:48 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Panzergrenadier49048
[B]I agree with gmenfan, SPWWII is a dated (DOS based) game with inferior graphics and sounds when compared with SPW@W.
I found the game to be far more buggy than SPW@W. [/B][/QUOTE]

Did you really play it so far that you even find a bug? ;) i coulnd cause cant stand those graphics... :D



CCB -> (8/3/2002 10:52:09 PM)

Ah, graphics mean nothing to a real wargamer. From what I gather most of us came up moving cardboard cut-out counters around.

I got both SPWAW and SPWW2 (and SP1). I play them all for the wide variety of scenarios.



Tankhead -> (8/4/2002 4:22:03 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CCB
[B]Ah, graphics mean nothing to a real wargamer. From what I gather most of us came up moving cardboard cut-out counters around.
I got both SPWAW and SPWW2 (and SP1). I play them all for the wide variety of scenarios. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree they are all good in there own way, I have SP3 with 3 different version install, SPWaW with 2 different version, SPWW2, SPMBT, SP1 also with a lot of modification. ;)



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/4/2002 7:12:25 PM)

There are those that will say one thing or another is more "accurate" from SPWaW to SPWW2 and vice versa.

The only significant differences I believe, are that SPWaW comes from the software that began life as SP3 Brigade Combat, while SPWW2 grew out of SP2 Modern Battles which was a modern setting extrapolation of SP1 the original game environment.

SP3 for those that might not have experienced it (hey it's possible), was modelled on a different scale ie you had groups of tanks not single tanks.

I have nooooo idea how this impacted them when making it a windows friendly updated version of SP1 which was supposed to be individual vehicles (software code is so far pasted something I understand).

In the end, SPWaW can exist on a modern computer right up to XP while SPWW2 (or anything other than SPWaW for that matter), will if I'm not mistaken, not operate on anything past Win 98SE.

Graphics in non SPWaW versions usually are only half as richly impressive, but I don't play SPWaW just because of the graphics (I do like the graphics though), I only play it because it runs on XP and is Windows friendly (DOS is currently not the most fun way to run a game).
Being annoyed by a program's lack of ease of usage will usually make me turf it long before a suspected accuracy issue.



Tankhead -> (8/5/2002 3:51:54 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]
In the end, SPWaW can exist on a modern computer right up to XP while SPWW2 (or anything other than SPWaW for that matter), will if I'm not mistaken, not operate on anything past Win 98SE.[/B][/QUOTE]

Hi Les!

I know many folks that are running XP Pro full version on a clean system and are running SPWW2 and SPMBT, SP3 also. The one I know who had trouble are the one that install an XP upgrade on top of an old OS or home edition of XP. Then there are folks who always have trouble no matter what OS they are running. ;)



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/5/2002 4:56:14 AM)

Hmmmmm

Well in the end I had to put the Win 98 SE OS on to run my dumb scanner.
Might have bought a new scanner, but I also needed it to run my Operational Art of War Volume I cd as well.

It became pointless to cry over having troubles in my case.

Having Win 98 SE already present, I have in my case just resorted to installing any older games that get petulant on me, in the Win 98 SE OS environment.

This option is always an option fortunately.



Tankhead -> (8/5/2002 5:05:14 AM)

It has been said on many gaming forums many time, if you are going to play games on your puter Win98se is the best gaming platform out there.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/5/2002 8:00:29 AM)

Oh I wouldn't go that far Tankhead.

Sure my XP might not play Art of War Volume 1 and run my scanner (and they are both old, and not worthy of a sweeping condemnation), but I have forgotten what "blue screen" means since I have been running XP.

Additionally, I no longer have to even do anything when installing such vexing programs as Web Browsers and email programs.

XP doesn't crash....period. I sure don't regret that.

I go into my Win 98 SE OS and consider it a backwards move. I don't feel quite as secure, the programs don't have the same ease of use in there.

If it wasn't for my scanner (which can be replaced easy enough), and one wargame, I would willingly call Win 98 SE the last vestige of a crummy OS that was finally made acceptable with XP.



MacCready -> (8/5/2002 9:06:50 AM)

If you want to pay microsoft everytime they offer a new operating system its ok with me Les,really.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/5/2002 9:18:11 AM)

Well as it goes Mac, I haven't bought an OS from big Bill since he sold me 95.

Fool me once shame on you fool, me twice shame on me eh.

As far as I am concerned, XP was just a "patch" to make 95 work as advertised.



troopie -> (8/5/2002 9:54:43 AM)

I don't understand those people who feel they have to race out and buy a new OS as soon as Big Bill brings one out. I used DOS and windows 3.11 until '97. Win95 until 2000. Now I use Win98SE. It meets my needs and does what I want.

troopie



Beatposse -> (8/5/2002 11:55:58 AM)

I hate XP with a passion. It is invasive as hell and I can't run DOS games or old W95 games.



Beatposse -> (8/5/2002 11:56:29 AM)

It can, but it doesn't want to is what I should have said.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (8/5/2002 6:39:05 PM)

There is no such thing as a perfect OS of course Beatposse, but are you sure you have tried all the options open to you with XP?

I have been able to run some reeeeeeally obscure old DOS junker games with it with no hassle at all. And that is without having to resort to XP's fake it "compatibility" feature.



Beatposse -> (8/5/2002 9:50:29 PM)

I got XP to work just fine after a while. I was mostly irate because it wouldn't run a couple specific games that had stranges XMS and EMS needs. I was just surprised they didn't bother to package a DOSemu that they have made available for ages on their other OS.



MacCready -> (8/6/2002 3:30:44 AM)

I'll probably get XP in a couple years with a 3 gig processor.
At this point games just don't need XP at all.



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