john g -> Re: Brits and AT fire (8/6/2002 2:44:12 AM)
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gaius Marius [B]Being a fan of the Long WWII Campaigns, I want to give the Brits (another) try. I have played most of the war as Germany, and good parts of it as the US Army and Russkies. The first time I played, however, was as the Brits. It was a blast, until I got into the desert and had nothing to penetrate a PzIII or IV effectively. Since then, my AT capabilities have gotten better as I have, at least to some degree, learned to use infantry effectively vs armor. However, looking at the availability of AT weapons in the encyclopedia, it still looks like I would have nothing better than a 2lb QQF Late (70 max pen, I think) until sometime in early to mid 1942. The exception is the 3inch AA gun, which has something like 105 pen, max. That doesn't seem TOO great, and I am wondering if it is wildly ahistorical to use the gun like I would an 88 - or even if it would work that way, given its ammo loadout and reduced penetration. Add to this that there is no flame armor available and that any AT inf would have to work in the open desert, and I am largely at a loss as to how to break the large panzer forces the AI loves throwing at me reliably. Has anyone played the British in the desert in a campaign and found a solution I ai'nt seein'? Maybe someone that has played the Desert Fox Mega Campaign? Thanks in advance... [/B][/QUOTE] Add to the suggestions you have recieved, fire from above, it negates the angle benefit of sloped armor. Towed 2 pdrs are cheap and small, they can either act as a gun line, ripple firing at approaching armor (never your full firing rate so the enemy tanks never get to see them and shoot back), or they can hide and and take shots as the enemy pass. Use Matilda II's as the key to your tank strength. They do an excellent job of resisting German fire and can dish it out as well as the paper thin tanks that populate the UK oob. Beyond 10 or so hexes the 25 lbr actually has better penetration compared to the 2 lbr, just no where near as much at ammo, in my UK campaign, the platoon 2 in mortars were upgraded to 25 lbrs after the first battle. I never had problems with German armor, the worst handling my force ever got was against Italian forces, back when they bought all that battleship support each battle. I had my entire infantry company plastered by 305mm arty, and the company of Matilda II's that were supporting them ran out of mg ammo taking on the 3+ companies of infantry that the Itailians had. After seeing my force decimated and with my tanks out of ammo and being swarmed, I punched out with a surrender, and then continued on after using my pool of replacement points to repair the core force. It has been a while, but I seem to recall that I ended up playing against the Italians more than the Germans. Just like when playing playing the Germans I ended up against the Americans more than against the UK in 44 and 45 (and the key there is all the AA your support points can buy when playing against the Americans but none when playing against the UK). thanks, John.
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