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Nebogipfel -> RE: Harpoon (8/21/2010 8:56:28 PM)

Honestly,

I do not notice most of them, cause I´m kind of stupid that way. [:D]

But ctd´s for example bother me.



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/21/2010 9:42:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

This all depends on how YOU define it. If you have fun with ANW then it is ok for you. If you are interested in that 3.6 vs. ANW (3.7 onwards) discussion you can buy the Ultimate Edition and thus have the possibility to compare them.


I am not competent enough to judge what Harpoon game is better because I did not play other versions so far. Yet I suppose many of those differences may be very subtle.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach
But if ANW works well for you - just enjoy. 3.9.4 IMO is rock solid, well playable and the database decision is yours.


I am glad to hear some positive opinion about H3 ANW after reading all this past flame. [:)]

However as for databases issue: PlayersDB is...do not talk more about it and H3 ANW is not supported by DB2000 as I read on HHQ website. So I think only ANWDB and HUD3 databases remain open to consideration for H3 ANW now.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach
If you think you should try something new, with a modern GUI, try GCB2 or wait for Red Pill.


Now GCB2 is still in beta stage after seven years of development, Red Pill exists only in form of screenshots on WarfareSims webpage.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach
The name of the game is Naval Warfare Sim and YOU decide which tool fits best your style of doing it.


Do you mean some of these productions: http://www.navalwarfare.org/



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/21/2010 10:17:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Spearfish
I am glad to hear some positive opinion about H3 ANW after reading all this past flame. [:)]


Don't worry about the flames - they are endemic My only advice is: always check by yourself before taking things at face value. There is a lot of hot air and baseless slander going around in this community. It would be better if things were different - who would dispute that? But once you know it, it is easy to discern geese from ducks [:)]



hermanhum -> Harpoon (8/21/2010 10:20:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nebogipfel

But ctd´s for example bother me.

They bother me, too. But, to be honest, they are not even the worst problems on the List of Known ANW Issues). A CTD means a re-start from an old save while most of the other problems will plague the player throughout the game. [:(]

I absolutely want to see this game fixed. However, I will not squander a single second or cent on a supposed de-bugging process that is an exercise in pure futility by only reporting bugs via specific (buggy) databases.

I see that AGSI officialdom now follows this forum closely, so I know that this message will be read (even if it isn't understood):
AGSI,

You have wasted 6 years on ANW and it only gets worse and buggier with each subsequent release. The development process has always been conducted under 'the AGSI way' [which is always the same no matter how often you 're-organize' it].

When are you finally going to realize and accept that 'the AGSI way' simply does not work and be willing to explore other avenues?



uncleharpoon -> RE: Harpoon (8/21/2010 11:58:21 PM)

Mr. Hum

That's just plain rude, and to do so right after we reminded folks to stop the plagiarism attacks.

I really don't see why you remain here, maybe you should share your wisdom with another naval game community.





hermanhum -> Harpoon (8/22/2010 12:04:49 AM)

If you found it rude, then you have my sincerest apologies.  That was not my intent.  I only wish to find a way around the current situation and problems.

Can we even agree that things are not working?  Is there even the possibility of recognizing that as a start?

p.s.  Yes, thank you for enforcing the Matrix standards in that discussion.  It was much appreciated.



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 12:09:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

1. GCB2


I think GCB2 is next development step of GCB project. Anyway this is still beta...I am interested only in final releases.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

2. Fleet Command


I own it but it does not run under Vista 32 an nVidia GPU. Does not matter I use DirectX or Glide wrapper - always a crash or slideshow.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

3. Red Pill


It is also in alpha/beta stage. Maybe in the future this game will be good but now only several guys enjoy it in close tests. I do not know when Red Pill will be released but not quickly as I suppose.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

4. Enjoy your Harpoon 3 ANW


As for now this is my sole option.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

5. Buy Ultimate Edition, including H3 V 3.6, and use it with db2000


This is something I certainly will do.

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ORIGINAL: koelbach

6. Try Harpoon Classic Commander´s Edition:


I do not like HCCE. It looks to simplistic to me.



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 2:53:40 PM)

Simply I have no other choice. GCB2 and RP will not be ready in month from now.



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 3:08:59 PM)

Spearfish, of course testing the various version/DB combos is the best way to find the one which most suits you - and you can always edit by yourself the values you disagree with (as I read you already did). Only be warned: if you find problems in DB2000 (like ones that lead to crashes) don't be vocal about these problems in public places - sadly, this can get you a ban, as you saw (*). There is a reason why DB2000 *was* the standard for Harpoon 3.

Ralph... Wow! Talking about people "spending day and night on a game" [:D]

(*) EDIT: It is safer to send your findings about DB2000 anonymously to Wikileaks, now that I think about it [;)]



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 3:24:01 PM)

Just curious - Why now are people to get banned after publicly raising questions about bugs found in DB2000? Now DB2000 is discontinued effort finished three years ago, so who cares about it today? As I read on other forums during Harpoon 3 heydays HHQ was considered a center of H3 gaming activity with plenty of scenarios and DB2000 as Harpoon 3 main database. However after Harpoon 3 ANW release and ending of Harpoon 3.6 sales HHQ importance quickly diminished and that is probably why they changed focus to Red Pill development.  



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 3:37:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Spearfish

Just curious - Why now are people to get banned after publicly raising questions about bugs found in DB2000?


Well, this is a question for them, not for me: I can only tell you what happened to me. However (CAVEAT: what follows is my opinion, and only my opinion), while it is true that HHQ was *the* center for Harpoon for a while, there was also an "omerta'" culture over there. For example, buglists were not looked upon kindly. This led to obvious problems, like discovenring a bug, spanding an evening to track it down and getting as an answer "It is a known problem".

There are always two ways to "show excellence": the first is admitting mistakes and working to correct them; the second is hiding them under the mat. You can see this in all walks of human behaviour, not only Harpoon. The first way makes the World go on, the second is easier.




Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 3:45:56 PM)

So once HHQ chose the latter easy option? [:D]

Anyway now this is an unimportant issue. I suppose Harpoon ANW from 3.10 patch onward will be better than old Harpoon v3.6.3 due to bug-fixes and additional content. Thus requirements for databases and scenarios for v3.6.3 will naturally cease to exist. On the other hand ex-HHQ guys will release completely new game...



mikmykWS -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 4:11:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Spearfish

Just curious - Why now are people to get banned after publicly raising questions about bugs found in DB2000? Now DB2000 is discontinued effort finished three years ago, so who cares about it today? As I read on other forums during Harpoon 3 heydays HHQ was considered a center of H3 gaming activity with plenty of scenarios and DB2000 as Harpoon 3 main database. However after Harpoon 3 ANW release HHQ importance quickly diminished and that is probably why they changed focus to Red Pill development.  



Hi Spearfish.

As the guy that actually banned Vinnie I can say it had nothing to do with raising questions about the DB2k. After a couple weeks of posting it was clear he was spending time trying manufacture/engineer trouble because he was mad at Ragnar. After two or three complaints and the fact that he wasn't making a positive contribution anywhere (no scenarios, no discussion other, etc) it wasn't worth trying to fix internet arguments every week. The bottom line is its our list and we can't spend time dealing with this kind of thing while maintaining positive things. We do make that clear when you register to our forum. So ban-delete-whatever and focus on whats important.. At the time it looked like he was posting at other Harpoon sites and USENET so really wasn't taking something away other than a place to argue. Ultimately he has banned people at Harplonk so seems he's not really against it either....

Anyways... I am very sorry he seems to be hung up on it but looking how far he's carried on about it years after the fact I think it was a good decision. My understanding is he comes over here from time to time for some help with headaches and I'd be willing to sit down and talk about it if he's in town.

How would have you handled it?

As far as diminished importance.. its a game:) When you get older the importance of being numero uno in a game group gets less and less and you start to think beyond yourself. It was a great run though but its time to grow man.

Our current project has nothing to do with AGSI but the fact that its something we've always wanted to do and lucky enough to have the skills for. I think all of us agree that our experience with AGSI helped us along the way and despite any disagreements we wish the best for them and Harpoon.

I think we all understand whats best for the niche is to grow and support what developers-publishers are still in it. I really wish everybody would understand that. Bug lists are fine but all this other stuff isn't. If you have a beef with somebody man up and email or pm privately.

Thanks


MM



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 4:19:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Spearfish

So once HHQ chose the latter easy option? [:D]


That, and, as Myk has just shown us, slander, smearing... [:D]

However, as even he agrees with, "raising questions" about DB2000 was a big no no [:-] - as I told you. So, be wary.



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 4:22:39 PM)

Double post



mikmykWS -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 4:37:11 PM)

Vince I recognize the double posting and editing of posts. Not going there[:D]

I'm sorry again though you see the things the way you do but talking about it in a web forum doesn't seem to be resolving it and get the impression you really just want an audience  [:)]. If you want to talk pm or email anybody wants a cc let me know[:D]

Thanks!



Vincenzo_Beretta -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 4:48:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Vince I recognize the double posting and editing of posts. Not going there[:D]

I'm sorry again though you see the things the way you do


On that, I can tell you this: I'm pretty open minded, but I expect for someone, when he states something, to be able to support it with facts. In this whole debate only one side was costantly able to show facts to support what they said to me - the other usually resorting to "statements" that *had* to be taken at face value. My opinion, at the end, was formed by this.

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but talking about it in a web forum doesn't seem to be resolving it


Of course not. It never happened and it won't happen now [:)]But when someone feels the need to unload the usual (and, by now, stale) amout of hot air, I guess that bringing back the debate on factual, verifiable tracks is not a bad thing.

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and get the impression you really just want an audience  [:)].


Who, on a forum, doesn't [:D]

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If you want to talk pm or email anybody wants a cc let me know[:D]


No problems. However, what I basically wished for you to know is already in this thread: never take something at face value; always chek/ask for facts by yourself; have fun! [:)]

Cheers!

Vince



mikmykWS -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 5:18:05 PM)

Thanks Vince. Have a good day[:)]



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 10:03:30 PM)

ANW is buggy, PlayersSB is buggy, DB2000 is buggy - so what isn't buggy???



mikmykWS -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 10:22:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Spearfish

ANW is buggy, PlayersSB is buggy, DB2000 is buggy - so what isn't buggy???


SA-N-4. Definite Harpoon killer.



Spearfish -> RE: Harpoon (8/22/2010 10:24:20 PM)

In what database? [:D]



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