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ORIGINAL: WoodMan

Hehe, back many, many years ago I can remember switching from a gamepad to my mouse and keys to play the original Quake, at first I was like, what the hell, this is awkward.  But yeah, after a few weeks you can't go back to a gamepad.  The newest console controllers are far better than the older consoles, I remember Golden Eye on the N64, all my friends loved it, but being the only PC gamer among them I was like, you can't even jump, looking up and down leaves you standing around taking ages for your character to adjust his view unlike the instant reaction of a mouse (like moving your neck/shoulders in real life) and generally thought it was pants [:D]

But, the fact that autoaim is still a feature of console games today while the same games PC version has no autoaim shows the inadequacy of the controller systems.  I wonder what this latest generation of "wand" type controllers will bring for FPS.  Personally all these gimmicky controllers have driven me further away from consoles, the numerous guitar controllers are the funniest, some kids spend 6 months playing these guitar games, but when I was at school kids went from never touching a guitar to playing along to Metallica and Guns n Roses on real guitars in 6 - 9 months [:D]  As for the "wands" if I really want to jump around waving my arms about, I'll go and play Tennis not a computerised version

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ORIGINAL: Shark7
the newer console controllers are far better than the previous ones...and you can jump now. [;)]

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I think in some of the latest games its no longer autoaim, its a target locking system, i.e. it doesn't help you find your target, but when you do it semi locks on to it to keep track of moving targets etc.  I think the latest Bad Company uses this, perhaps only with Sniper rifles, I'm not sure, haven't played it only read about it, or it might have been CoD6, or possibly both, I can't quite recall.

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ORIGINAL: Igard

It seems to me that if you use a gamepad and you use autoaim, you pretty much concede that mouse and keyboard is the better control method.

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Well I haven't done much console gaming over the last year or two, but I found a list of games with autoaim of some kind or another and it was really surprising, 108 games in all, but the newest games released aren't in it so I guess either its out of date, or they stopped putting autoaim in games, but its only about 6 months out so I doubt it.

its big [:D]

There is 108 games listed with auto-aim, a lot of them I haven't heard of but some big famous newer ones are:

Red Dead Redemption
Alan Wake
Just Cause 2
Bioshock 2
Dark Void
Halo 3 ODST
Batman Arkham Asylum
Tomb Raider Underworld
Dead Space
Grand Theft Auto 4
Tom Clancy Rainbow Six Vegas 2
Turok
Mass Effect
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Halo 3
Bioshock
Just Cause
GUN
Halo 2
GTA San Andreas
Far Cry
GTA Vice City

Some of these may also have autoaim on the PC, I think some of the the GTA games have an autoaim option which you are meant to enable if you are using a gamepad, but is off by default controls which include mouse. However, other games like CoD 4 for instance have no autoaim on the PC, but some people manage to download cheats called aimbots which are like an extremely effective version.

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There may be an auto-aim option or perhaps at lower difficulty levels, but I play on hard so I wouldn't notice it.

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Or to simply concede that console fps games have come much further than pc fps games have, the last few years..
I havent played a pc fps since Half-Life 2, and dont want to. My 360 is my fps platform now, and i couldnt love it more than i already do.
You might argue that auto-aim is lame, but then again, arent we all lame? Regardless if there is auto-aim or not, we're all just a bunch of nerds playing games. Who cares who's considered "hardcore" (a silly term to begin with), we're all nerds, lets just get along and enjoy games for the fun factor, not for how big your e-peen appears due to how many buttons you can jam into a game (ArmA2, i'm looking at you.. speaking of horrible and unintuitive controls)

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ORIGINAL: WoodMan

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There may be an auto-aim option or perhaps at lower difficulty levels, but I play on hard so I wouldn't notice it.

I was talking purely about multiplayer, I don't know how the diffculty settings on single player would affect it

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Or to simply concede that console fps games have come much further than pc fps games have, the last few years..
I havent played a pc fps since Half-Life 2, and dont want to. My 360 is my fps platform now, and i couldnt love it more than i already do.
You might argue that auto-aim is lame, but then again, arent we all lame? Regardless if there is auto-aim or not, we're all just a bunch of nerds playing games. Who cares who's considered "hardcore" (a silly term to begin with), we're all nerds, lets just get along and enjoy games for the fun factor, not for how big your e-peen appears due to how many buttons you can jam into a game (ArmA2, i'm looking at you.. speaking of horrible and unintuitive controls)

It's nothing about being "hardcore", I was only trying to point out how playing games like Call of Duty is a more enjoyable experience on the PC due to the easier to use controls, and also dedicated servers and modding etc.  The auto-aim is not in console games because they assume console gamers are less "hardcore" than PC gamers, they are there because it is particularly hard to track a moving target on a gamepad without some kind of assistance from the computer. 

Older games I think used:

Bullet MagnetismWhen the player fires while aiming near enough to an enemy, the bullets will go straight to the enemy instead of where aimed. The aiming reticule is not moved. 

Lock-on The player uses an input method to trigger a lock-on; the reticule automatically shifts to the nearest enemy and often allows the user to aim at specific parts of the target.

But newer games I think the reason its less noticable and some people don't even know its there its because it uses

Reticule MagnetismWhen the player points the reticule near an enemy, it automatically pulls towards the enemy, closing the aim:fire ratio gap.

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ORIGINAL: Igard

It seems to me that if you use a gamepad and you use autoaim, you pretty much concede that mouse and keyboard is the better control method.

Or to simply concede that console fps games have come much further than pc fps games have, the last few years..
I havent played a pc fps since Half-Life 2, and dont want to. My 360 is my fps platform now, and i couldnt love it more than i already do.
You might argue that auto-aim is lame, but then again, arent we all lame? Regardless if there is auto-aim or not, we're all just a bunch of nerds playing games. Who cares who's considered "hardcore" (a silly term to begin with), we're all nerds, lets just get along and enjoy games for the fun factor, not for how big your e-peen appears due to how many buttons you can jam into a game (ArmA2, i'm looking at you.. speaking of horrible and unintuitive controls)

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ORIGINAL: Igard

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ORIGINAL: Baleur

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ORIGINAL: Igard

It seems to me that if you use a gamepad and you use autoaim, you pretty much concede that mouse and keyboard is the better control method.

Or to simply concede that console fps games have come much further than pc fps games have, the last few years..
I havent played a pc fps since Half-Life 2, and dont want to. My 360 is my fps platform now, and i couldnt love it more than i already do.
You might argue that auto-aim is lame, but then again, arent we all lame? Regardless if there is auto-aim or not, we're all just a bunch of nerds playing games. Who cares who's considered "hardcore" (a silly term to begin with), we're all nerds, lets just get along and enjoy games for the fun factor, not for how big your e-peen appears due to how many buttons you can jam into a game (ArmA2, i'm looking at you.. speaking of horrible and unintuitive controls)

I'm not a nerd, I'm an incredibly seductive, charming, charismatic, young stud![:D]

Ok I paraphrased that from Red Dwarf, but I'm not insinuating anyone is lame, believe me when I say, I would never call another human being that. I also hate that word 'hardcore', all I like is a game with a bit of a challenge. That's why I like ArmA 2 (belive me I know it's not perfect).[;)]

If you're good at FPS games with a control pad, then I salute you, seems very difficult to a chap like me (a PC gamer).