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Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 9:45:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Bad news... [:(][:@]

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Steam Hacked: Newell - "Watch Your Credit Card"

Gabe Newell, founder and CEO of Valve Software, has announced that the online digital store, game library and multiplayer network has experienced a security breach and data loss. The announcement, released today (Thursday), began with the news that the Steam forums had been “defaced” in an attack on Sunday, and went on:

“We learned that intruders obtained access to a Steam database in addition to the forums. This database contained information including user names, hashed and salted passwords, game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information. We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken by the intruders, or that the protection on credit card numbers or passwords was cracked. We are still investigating.”

We don’t have evidence of credit card misuse at this time. Nonetheless you should watch your credit card activity and statements closely.

While we only know of a few forum accounts that have been compromised, all forum users will be required to change their passwords the next time they login. If you have used your Steam forum password on other accounts you should change those passwords as well.

We do not know of any compromised Steam accounts, so we are not planning to force a change of Steam account passwords (which are separate from forum passwords). However, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to change that as well, especially if it is the same as your Steam forum account password.

Once the jitters have subsided, this doesn’t look on face value as bad as it might. The greatest danger is probably to those who used the same password for their Steam and Steam forums accounts, or – worse – have been using the same password for multiple accounts, including their email. This is particularly dangerous as, along with probably providing a means to obtain passwords for every other online service connected to that address, it invalidates the Steam Guard protection, introduced in March, which requires verification by email whenever a user’s Steam account is accessed from a new computer.

My steam account is worth more than my bank account

Security failures are a nightmare for Steam and its users, not least because they highlight the fragility of the cloud. By making all games purchased through Steam accessible for download at any time, Steam is a great way for gamers to buy far more games than they could ever fit on their hard drives, or their shelves. Commenting on the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun, one dismayed player commented

“My steam account is worth more than my bank account”

In short, panic is not required, but vigilance would be welcome – and if you have used the same password across multiple services (a) don’t do that and (b) change your passwords.

Valve’s size and dominance in the digital download market, with over 30 million registered accounts, makes this a source of concern. On the plus side, the evidence is at least that Steam’s identity protection has been doing the right things in the event of a security failure. The passwords captured are hashed and salted – although a short, simple password may still be vulnerable to a brute-force attack, depending on the level of encryption, as they were when Gawker’s database was compromised.

With Electronic Arts pushing their own download service, Origin, hard, this could have come at a better time for Steam. However, as the story stands at the moment it is wholly survivable. When the PlayStation Network was hack in April, there was much anger, but in the end the value provided by PSN was sufficiently great that by June network activity was back to 90% of pre-hack levels. As long as Steam is contrite, service is not badly disrupted and the consequences are not unexpectedly severe, this should be a manageable crisis.

Of greater concern over the long term is the possible use of the unencrypted data in social engineering attacks. Once lost, customer data can never be recaptured, and one suspects that these reported cases are only the tip of an iceberg of slow leaks of lost, sold or stolen data. At some point, the way data is customer stored and associated will need to be examined. But this will not be the tipping point.



Leo "Apollo11"


Did you READ that article at all? It said don't panic and when the jitters die down, it won't be so bad.




Apollo11 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 10:05:17 AM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Bad news... [:(][:@]

quote:


Steam Hacked: Newell - "Watch Your Credit Card"

Gabe Newell, founder and CEO of Valve Software, has announced that the online digital store, game library and multiplayer network has experienced a security breach and data loss. The announcement, released today (Thursday), began with the news that the Steam forums had been “defaced” in an attack on Sunday, and went on:

“We learned that intruders obtained access to a Steam database in addition to the forums. This database contained information including user names, hashed and salted passwords, game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information. We do not have evidence that encrypted credit card numbers or personally identifying information were taken by the intruders, or that the protection on credit card numbers or passwords was cracked. We are still investigating.”

We don’t have evidence of credit card misuse at this time. Nonetheless you should watch your credit card activity and statements closely.

While we only know of a few forum accounts that have been compromised, all forum users will be required to change their passwords the next time they login. If you have used your Steam forum password on other accounts you should change those passwords as well.

We do not know of any compromised Steam accounts, so we are not planning to force a change of Steam account passwords (which are separate from forum passwords). However, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to change that as well, especially if it is the same as your Steam forum account password.

Once the jitters have subsided, this doesn’t look on face value as bad as it might. The greatest danger is probably to those who used the same password for their Steam and Steam forums accounts, or – worse – have been using the same password for multiple accounts, including their email. This is particularly dangerous as, along with probably providing a means to obtain passwords for every other online service connected to that address, it invalidates the Steam Guard protection, introduced in March, which requires verification by email whenever a user’s Steam account is accessed from a new computer.

My steam account is worth more than my bank account

Security failures are a nightmare for Steam and its users, not least because they highlight the fragility of the cloud. By making all games purchased through Steam accessible for download at any time, Steam is a great way for gamers to buy far more games than they could ever fit on their hard drives, or their shelves. Commenting on the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun, one dismayed player commented

“My steam account is worth more than my bank account”

In short, panic is not required, but vigilance would be welcome – and if you have used the same password across multiple services (a) don’t do that and (b) change your passwords.

Valve’s size and dominance in the digital download market, with over 30 million registered accounts, makes this a source of concern. On the plus side, the evidence is at least that Steam’s identity protection has been doing the right things in the event of a security failure. The passwords captured are hashed and salted – although a short, simple password may still be vulnerable to a brute-force attack, depending on the level of encryption, as they were when Gawker’s database was compromised.

With Electronic Arts pushing their own download service, Origin, hard, this could have come at a better time for Steam. However, as the story stands at the moment it is wholly survivable. When the PlayStation Network was hack in April, there was much anger, but in the end the value provided by PSN was sufficiently great that by June network activity was back to 90% of pre-hack levels. As long as Steam is contrite, service is not badly disrupted and the consequences are not unexpectedly severe, this should be a manageable crisis.

Of greater concern over the long term is the possible use of the unencrypted data in social engineering attacks. Once lost, customer data can never be recaptured, and one suspects that these reported cases are only the tip of an iceberg of slow leaks of lost, sold or stolen data. At some point, the way data is customer stored and associated will need to be examined. But this will not be the tipping point.



Did you READ that article at all? It said don't panic and when the jitters die down, it won't be so bad.


Kristian - you are true believer... [:D]

IIRC Sony also said "Don't Panic - all is OK" and we know how this ended... [;)]

When there is a breach and possibility of access then the company should alway think of worst possible case and not the best possible case (and the stolen data can be used with delay)...


Leo "Apollo11"

Leo "Apollo11"




Terminus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 10:12:43 AM)

Steam has done everything right, according to industry analysts. I'm certainly not worried.

These corporate hacks tend to be blown massively out of proportion by the uninformed media.




BrucePowers -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 1:03:33 PM)

Good morning all[:)]




BrucePowers -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 1:14:48 PM)

I'm all alone.............[:D]




Apollo11 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 1:50:47 PM)

Hi all,

Nope... you are not...


Leo "Apollo11"




jeffk3510 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:18:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Steam has done everything right, according to industry analysts. I'm certainly not worried.

These corporate hacks tend to be blown massively out of proportion by the uninformed media.


Lets hope so. I kind of enjoy the idea Steam has so far..




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:20:01 PM)

Good Friday morning - Tithe. [&o][&o][&o]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:20:58 PM)

Happy Veterans/Remembrance/Armistice Day to all of my current and former serving Brothers.  [sm=00000436.gif]




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:21:48 PM)

Roger and ditto that, USS Mike. [&o]

You got that turn done yet?




jeffk3510 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:21:51 PM)

Good morning. Finish up work today and go to the range with my father in law tomorrow. He is going to get his first deer this winter.




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 2:24:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Roger and ditto that, USS Mike. [&o]

You got that turn done yet?


Nope, not yet. You'll just have to wait another day or two to start your "10 day turnaround." [:'(]




AW1Steve -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 3:30:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Roger and ditto that, USS Mike. [&o]

You got that turn done yet?


Nope, not yet. You'll just have to wait another day or two to start your "10 day turnaround." [:'(]


10 days? What's the rush Mike? [:D]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 3:50:32 PM)

Sorry, Steve.  I didn't write that properly.  I was trying to imply that we will hurry and get the turn back to the Chickens so they can spend 10 days on their end.  [:D]




AW1Steve -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 3:55:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America

Sorry, Steve.  I didn't write that properly.  I was trying to imply that we will hurry and get the turn back to the Chickens so they can spend 10 days on their end.  [:D]


I don't rush anymore. The last time I did , it cost me 4 carriers. [:(]




Mike Solli -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 3:56:53 PM)

Good morning guys.




Nikademus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 4:46:03 PM)

tithe......

gonna be a long Friday.




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 4:51:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: USS America

Sorry, Steve.  I didn't write that properly.  I was trying to imply that we will hurry and get the turn back to the Chickens so they can spend 10 days on their end.  [:D]


I don't rush anymore. The last time I did , it cost me 4 carriers. [:(]

Yes. Please hurry Allied dogs! Hurry hurry hurry! You still have some carriers in your OOB that need sinking! [:'(]




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 4:51:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

tithe......

gonna be a long Friday.


A little Erin Gray oughta help make the day go by...

ETA: Damn. Brunette with piercing blue eyes and a body like that...there oughta be a law...[:D]

[image]local://upfiles/6968/D52B603E456B48DE85B3E4272A478CAA.jpg[/image]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:23:03 PM)

Wow, Erin Gray!  Even as a kid I had a huge crush on her!  [8D]




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:26:00 PM)

If you wanna see her in flight uniform, check out the 'oops' thread.

Leo-thanks for starting that other thread. It's been totally disregarded, I see. [:D]




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:31:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America

Wow, Erin Gray!  Even as a kid I had a huge crush on her!  [8D]

Me too.

Here's the perennial question, for you, USS Mike: which is hotter, Wilma Deering or Princess Ardala? [X(]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnYrm2-Gm4U

I think the poster of this most excellent You Tube video's opinion is dead wrong. You decide for yourself. I welcome reasoned debate and further research on this matter. [;)]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:45:31 PM)

No contest.  Wilma in a landslide!  Ardala looks like she's trying too hard, where Erin is naturally beautiful. 

Of course, neither one would get kicked out of bed.  [:D]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:45:57 PM)

My Friday is improving by the minute.  [:D]




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:47:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America

No contest.  Wilma in a landslide!  Ardala looks like she's trying too hard, where Erin is naturally beautiful. 

Of course, neither one would get kicked out of bed.  [:D]


I concur, my red-blooded American male colleague. But I also think it's OK to watch Ardala try too hard too. "Yes, Ardala, try some more! More!" [:D]




jeffk3510 -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:49:07 PM)

Sorry, Diane Lane.. forever.




Chickenboy -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:50:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Sorry, Diane Lane.. forever.

Heretic! [:@]

[;)]

ETA: Oh, by the way-thanks for all the wind, Kansas and North Dakota (Shanilac-you hearing this?). 'Bout blown away stepping out the front door this morning. [:D]




Mike Solli -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:57:48 PM)

Gotta agree with Jeff, Diane Lane. But Wilma is a very close second. That spandex was pretty tough on this teenager. [X(] [:D]




USSAmerica -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 5:59:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Sorry, Diane Lane.. forever.


Another beautiful woman! So little time.... [:D]




Nikademus -> RE: THE THREAD!!! (11/11/2011 6:21:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

tithe......

gonna be a long Friday.


A little Erin Gray oughta help make the day go by...

ETA: Damn. Brunette with piercing blue eyes and a body like that...there oughta be a law...[:D]

[image]local://upfiles/6968/D52B603E456B48DE85B3E4272A478CAA.jpg[/image]



lol.....Buck Rogers......loved that show as a kid.




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