Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates

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bklooste -> Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 11:47:05 AM)
The historical rates chance of crew MIA or KIA. for European theater Medium bombers (50 missions 48% Heavy bombers (30 missions) 71% Looks like you were better of in a B25 then a B17 ! ...

herwin -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste The historical rates chance of crew MIA or KIA. for European theater Medium bombers (50 missions 48% Heavy bombers (30 missions) 71% Looks like you were better of in a B25 then a B17 ! ... What happens when you drop the heavy bomber massacres in 1943?

castor troy -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:05:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste The historical rates chance of crew MIA or KIA. for European theater Medium bombers (50 missions 48% Heavy bombers (30 missions) 71% Looks like you were better of in a B25 then a B17 ! ... probably also depends on the targets you attack. Going deep into Germany with a heavy bomber was probably a couple of times more dangerous than bombing a railway station in France with a medium bomber.

Dixie -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:15:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste The historical rates chance of crew MIA or KIA. for European theater Medium bombers (50 missions 48% Heavy bombers (30 missions) 71% Looks like you were better of in a B25 then a B17 ! ... probably also depends on the targets you attack. Going deep into Germany with a heavy bomber was probably a couple of times more dangerous than bombing a railway station in France with a medium bomber. More friendly fighter cover to targets in France as well as shorter distances to get home if you're damaged. Assuming you landed away from your target I'd say the civilian population of the occupied countries would be more kindly disposed towards an Allied airman than their German counterparts.

John Lansford -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:15:21 PM)
Not only what Herwin said, but the heavies flew in nearly all kinds of weather, and operational losses were often 5-10% of the total mission # of planes.

d0mbo -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:34:43 PM)
Hi Bklooste, where have you found those numbers? Just curious, d0mbo.

jomni -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 12:39:19 PM)
Japanese don't have planes with enough armament to easily kill B-17s.

topeverest -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 1:19:56 PM)
At those rates I would have taken my chances in the Big Red 1

morganbj -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 1:44:57 PM)
We used to say that if you have to be one, be a big red one.

crsutton -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 2:47:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bklooste The historical rates chance of crew MIA or KIA. for European theater Medium bombers (50 missions 48% Heavy bombers (30 missions) 71% Looks like you were better of in a B25 then a B17 ! ... Well, in Europe that meant mostly B26s which was a difficult airplane to fly but very fast for a bomber. Speed will sometimes save you. Also, shorter ranged mediums were in range of fighter escort whereas until the mustang came along the bombers flew without. And last, the further you fly, the more space you have to cover to get home if you are damaged. It all makes sense to me. I find Allied mediums to be very vulnerable in AE and all but useless without total air superiorty. (a rare event) Sort of the reverse and making no sense at all.

Nikademus -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 3:06:41 PM)
2E casualties balooned in Europe if they were opposed by serious air/AA resistance. The difference was that Mediums largely supported Operational/Tactical missions where the Allied air forces held sway so this did not often occur, hence the statistical difference. The Strategic bombers faced the bulk of Luftwaffe fighter defenses and traversed the massive flak belts defending German cities. As the European air war wound down, Nighttime 4E casualties exploded due to German technical developments. Being "nighttime", the Allies could not protect the bombers with fighters so by the end of the war, BC's casualty rates well exceeded 8AF's daytime 4E casualties. Fun with statistics!

PaxMondo -> RE: Historical heavy vs medium bomber MIA /KIA rates (9/2/2010 3:52:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crsutton ... until the mustang came along the bombers flew without..... Minor point, but I believe the first LR Escort was the P-47 Thunderbolt ... by about 6 months or so.

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