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scott64 -> PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 4:58:25 AM)

So far through December 19th 1941 My PBYs have sunk 13 ships. They operate out of Manila.
Dec 12th

Allied aircraft
PBY-4 Catalina

APD Nadakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
372 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Dec 15th 3 attacks

PBY-4 Catalina

APD Shimakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
491 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

xAKL Jokuja Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
340 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)


xAK Kotohira Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
656 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 3 disabled

Dec 16th 2 attacks

PBY-4 Catalina

xAKL Hakuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PB Nanpo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Dec 17th 3 attacks

PBY-4 Catalina

CM Tsubame, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Baikal Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Sydney Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Dec 18th

PBY-4 Catalina

xAKL Hanakawa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Dec 19th 2 attacks

PBY-4 Catalina

xAKL Kumakawa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
TB Tomozuru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk



tigercub -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 5:04:11 AM)

im my game PBY dont not carry torps its Gamey in the early war IMO.



wdolson -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 6:11:44 AM)

There is a downside.  PBY losses will likely be fairly high and the production rate is low.  Expect a year or so until you have full squadrons again.

Bill



scott64 -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 6:13:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

There is a downside.  PBY losses will likely be fairly high and the production rate is low.  Expect a year or so until you have full squadrons again.

Bill


If they get out of Manila in time. [:D]



DivePac88 -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 9:45:23 AM)

The PBY's can do some real damage to the Japanese, but I force myself to only use them for naval search, as I reason that a more important task. I am not criticizing you Scott, but I am paranoid about KB sneaking-up and kicking my butt.



War History -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 10:03:15 AM)

PBYs get slaughtered if the Jap puts even a token CAP over his TFs. Problem is, too many Jap players try to do too many things right off and they pay the price. Keep your AKs CAP covered and do the rest with fast DD TFs and PBYs wont be a problem. Even Nates will slaughter PBYs.



cookie monster -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 2:41:23 PM)

I think PBY's are too valuable to be used like this. Plus the replacements are very low. This could cause a problem with naval search coverage later.



mike scholl 1 -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/26/2010 2:48:21 PM)

I think it's an interesting and effective way to punish an opponent who is trying to play "fast and loose" with his CAP.  But I agree with the others that having gotten in a few good "licks", it's time to think about preserving them as search assets for the later war.



crsutton -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/27/2010 5:39:25 PM)

Yep, I went on a mini killing spree until my opponent placed a few CAP ambushes. PBYs also die just like betties when caught by fighters. They are just too valuable for other uses to waste. [:-]



Schanilec -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/27/2010 9:16:30 PM)

I adopted that tactic out of a lack of other attack aircraft. Hadn't had a problem and been pretty sucessful. Lucky I guess. Wish I had thought of it a couple weeks sooner (gameplay wise).



findmeifyoucan -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/28/2010 3:52:51 PM)

An effective hit and run tactic but like others say if Japanese put Cap up or start bombing or bombarding those bases you are operating from you are in deep doo-doo. :-)

I play as the Japanese and usually have a lot of CAP up so have never even got a single bomb dropped from a PBY that is, on my ships. I have yet to see a heavy bomber hit one of my ships. Swordfish or Vilderbeasts? Well, maybe just a couple bombs landed. :-)) But it is still early, just a couple months into the war, lots of time to go yet. lol



crsutton -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/28/2010 4:27:57 PM)

I will say that if a PBY (even one with very little torpedo training) catches a TF out in the open, the results can be nasty. I suppose it is because they can carry two torpedoes but they seem deadly accurate-perhaps too much so.



rtrapasso -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/28/2010 9:12:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

I will say that if a PBY (even one with very little torpedo training) catches a TF out in the open, the results can be nasty. I suppose it is because they can carry two torpedoes but they seem deadly accurate-perhaps too much so.

Well, just remember that 100% of the successful torpedo attacks* by the USN at Midway were by PBYs [:'(]

(*dud hits are not considered successful).



AW1Steve -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 12:12:55 AM)

PBY's really are the ultimate weapon! But not because of the torpedo's they can carry. Knowledge is power, and PBY's can find the enemey! That's power! It doesn't matter how many torpedo's you have, if you don't know where he is. I honestly feel that why the allies won at Midway....32 PBY's versus a handfull of short ranged scout planes. [:)]



John Lansford -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 12:26:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan

An effective hit and run tactic but like others say if Japanese put Cap up or start bombing or bombarding those bases you are operating from you are in deep doo-doo. :-)

I play as the Japanese and usually have a lot of CAP up so have never even got a single bomb dropped from a PBY that is, on my ships. I have yet to see a heavy bomber hit one of my ships. Swordfish or Vilderbeasts? Well, maybe just a couple bombs landed. :-)) But it is still early, just a couple months into the war, lots of time to go yet. lol



In my CG vs the AI I had a Dutch pilot flying one of their obsolete 2EB's manage to hit a BB with IIRC an 800 kg bomb. Aerial search showed the damaged BB crawling out of the area for some long term repairs; if I could I would have awarded that pilot a medal...



wdolson -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 12:29:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: findmeifyoucan

An effective hit and run tactic but like others say if Japanese put Cap up or start bombing or bombarding those bases you are operating from you are in deep doo-doo. :-)

I play as the Japanese and usually have a lot of CAP up so have never even got a single bomb dropped from a PBY that is, on my ships. I have yet to see a heavy bomber hit one of my ships. Swordfish or Vilderbeasts? Well, maybe just a couple bombs landed. :-)) But it is still early, just a couple months into the war, lots of time to go yet. lol



Against unprotected invasion fleets Swordfish and Vildebeasts are even more effective than PBYs. In the game I started way back when, Vildebeasts evacuated from Singapore and Swordfish from the FAA did tremendous damage to invasion fleets off Java. I moved some land troops into Java which cleaned up the troops that managed to get ashore, but the torpedo biplanes vastly weakened the invasion fleets. They also crippled the Soryu and Akagi (though paid heavily for it.) Ultimately Java never fell.

Bill



Schanilec -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 4:10:53 PM)

Yes, Gotta love those Vildebeasts. According to intel reports and what I saw. A Vildebeast put a torpedo into the Shokaku. She sank.[sm=00000116.gif] However intel shows it being the Zuikaku. But I've run into her off of Balikpapan a couple of times. So I'll just wait and see what had really transpired from that single torpedo hit.



crsutton -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 4:43:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

I will say that if a PBY (even one with very little torpedo training) catches a TF out in the open, the results can be nasty. I suppose it is because they can carry two torpedoes but they seem deadly accurate-perhaps too much so.

Well, just remember that 100% of the successful torpedo attacks* by the USN at Midway were by PBYs [:'(]

(*dud hits are not considered successful).



Yes, JFBs better be glad that there is no Allied control over production as I would be producing 1000 of these per month...[;)]



scott64 -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 6:14:29 PM)

My other float planes were scoring hits also. [X(]Based out of Manila and Tarakan.



traskott -> RE: PBYs The Ultimate Weapon (10/29/2010 6:26:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

In my CG vs the AI I had a Dutch pilot flying one of their obsolete 2EB's manage to hit a BB with IIRC an 800 kg bomb. Aerial search showed the damaged BB crawling out of the area for some long term repairs; if I could I would have awarded that pilot a medal...


I see your bet and go up: One L212 put one 60kgs bombs on the CV Soryu xDDD



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