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larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T2 (12/5/2010 7:41:09 PM)

Here's the Warsaw Pact losses as of the end of turn 2: you can see that I'm getting off easy on this one.

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toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/5/2010 10:41:02 PM)

Here is what NATO saw before it even started its second turn:



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toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/5/2010 10:52:11 PM)

One "cherry-picking" experiment works for NATO:


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Silvanski -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/5/2010 11:16:31 PM)

---Several other air units "support" the attack---
Air units on combat support will contribute if they're in range and co-operation levels are favorable. Aircraft on air superiority will provide cover, also depending whether the're in range etc. That's why you see all those aircraft in your loss report panel



toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/5/2010 11:23:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Silvanski

---Several other air units "support" the attack---
Air units on combat support will contribute if they're in range and co-operation levels are favorable. Aircraft on air superiority will provide cover, also depending whether the're in range etc. That's why you see all those aircraft in your loss report panel


I knew that, but it sure is pleasant to see when it works and a plan comes together. I finally feel like my air superiority might save my neck after the horrible ground losses at the start.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/5/2010 11:40:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: toawfan
I finally feel like my air superiority might save my neck after the horrible ground losses at the start.

Actually, it's your air superiority that has stymied my attacking. I see your planes in my combat results panels and they are doing their job believe me. I have about 1/3 more losses than you do in furballs depending on the competing aircraft types involved of course, and approx. 2.5 times the tank losses in ground entanglments and so far are the only player to lose any of my Spetznezt ( spelling ? ) units. Your dudes are delta teams and special forces dudes who train for these kind of missions at locations overseas in areas unknown to us. For a reason. Spetznezt dudes do too. Some of those guys live their days as if it were their last. For some of them it is, even in training. I wouldn't even come close to qualifying to be a member of their training classes to get to be one of them, even in the best physical shape I was ever in. It takes a special breed of dude to do what they do. When we in the game have destroyed one of those units so that we say it "evaporated" it's more like they split the team up and everybody went their separate ways so that, able to speak the language fluently in their host country, they can make their way back to the good guys land at their own speed, using whatever or whoever they can use to help them. And they are in constant training for just this technique. It's hard to surround and kill one of them. In the host country population you would never know who they are because of how well they "fit in". They might have jobs that they work at in the host country under an assumed name / number and with forged papers just to collect intelligence that can be collected in no other way. Think of them as the military equivalent of a spy with a rifle. It costs a great deal of money to train each of these 'weapons systems'. As you might imagine.

But I ramble.

Oh......and by the way. You didn't hear any of this from me.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/6/2010 12:17:46 AM)

Here's what the air war meter said when I turned on TOAW and opened Roger's turn after the playback. This spells the end of the romp through Europe and the Middle East and the loss of Serbia. In that order. Well, maybe not that order but........

EDIT: [ Turn 3's beginning ]
[image]local://upfiles/16287/B939A2DD19E34ED6A3DBC1F04A8B9581.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 12:21:38 AM)

Roger has flown his Delta teams to the Sweden exclusion zone where I can't get at them. So.....can he move them out of there? That's the question that's been burning holes in everybody's hat.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 12:29:18 AM)

Oh, and I was wrong about those Delta teams of Roger's. It turns out that they are Bundeswehr dudes. And Roger has landed them in the Sweden exclusion zone where I can't get at them. Still. I'm still wondering if he can move / fly them out of there.

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toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 12:36:03 AM)

That is a very strange display of the paratroopers. They are not out of the zone of control. They actually were nearly wiped out by you in a previous turn and I couldn't get away. They were definitely in reach.

I wonder if you attacked and they fled across that zone of control, but how, I do not know?

By the way, when I declared war on Finland in the Europe version of this scenario, the trigger never worked and I never got access to attack. I had amassed forces and then had to reassign them when it never worked after several turns.

I didn't declare war on any other faction. I wonder what will happen if and when you try.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 1:29:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: toawfan
By the way, when I declared war on Finland in the Europe version of this scenario, the trigger never worked and I never got access to attack. I had amassed forces and then had to reassign them when it never worked after several turns.

I didn't declare war on any other faction. I wonder what will happen if and when you try.

I'll have to declare war on Finland and see what happens I guess. But that's for later in the game when I've conquered everything else. LOL.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 1:30:10 AM)

Hey Mark:

Those lines connecting the islands......those are just for supply lines and not for me to walk across.........10/4?

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 2:47:32 AM)

So um........hey Mark:

Am I correct in assuming that Turkey has no capital city?

[image]local://upfiles/16287/38C57F96B0DA4F6196B1A0B5C17B27AA.gif[/image]



1_Lzard -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 3:53:56 AM)

I'm suprised at you, Larry!

One normally reads the details of a scenario, eh?

"House Rules - the PO will ignore them - (i) only units with the Special Forces, Airmobile, Paratroop, Air Assault, Marine, Amphibious, Helicopter and Air icons (NOT FLEETS) can air/sea assault/land at enemy owned ports. It doesn't matter which method they use, at this level the distinction between paratroops, commandos, marines and 'special forces' becomes blurred. If still friendly during the next turn, conventional units can use sealift to enter them. (SP indicates that a Supply Point will be placed on the captured hex. There are also Russian SPs in most NATO capitals). (ii) Units with the RES icon must remain in their home countries (which may include islands if applicable). (iii) The Reds may attack neutrals as soon as they press the Declare War TOs: there's no need to wait until the following turn, although if there's exclusion zone still in place you'll need to wait for it to disappear. No need to declare war on/avoid passing through the smaller non-NATO nations like Malta, Cyprus, Bosnia and Macedonia, I'm assuming that they'll be caught up in any major conflict in the Mediterranean region. (v) HQs may not be moved by air.

The minor 'roads' connecting some small islands may be used by ground units without the need for sealift."

Further, ANKARA* has an the apostraphe (whatever) indicating a capital.

Details Details, eh? [:D][:D][X(]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 5:27:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 1_Lzard
I'm suprised at you, Larry!

It just proves that I'm really tired at this point in time.



toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 11:08:07 AM)

Hey, Larry, you already had turkey for Thanksgiving. You don't need to be taking Turkey from NATO.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/6/2010 7:05:30 PM)

Here's the moves I made in turn 3:
Note my invasion of Italy:
I was expecting a bit more progress in Isreal, hence my unit right in the middle of the enemy camp, which will probably get killed in Roger's turn3.
[img]http://b.imagehost.org/0984/T3_moves.gif[/img]

And here's how the air war went:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/DBDC5C9DCABC467B80AFA57168F1B8CC.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/7/2010 12:16:40 AM)

Here's the Warsaw Pact END_OF_TURN_DO_NOT_SEND file I had built for me at the end of turn 3:

Just clip off the ".txt" from the end of the name to make it a ".sal" file again.



toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/7/2010 1:28:20 AM)

Like a true propaganda machine in wartime, NATO mentions little about Poland and the European Theater and crows about a big boot off the coast of Italy.



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larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T4 (12/7/2010 3:31:03 AM)

And another thing. Those HVY ICBM sites that WP has....they would be serviced at the very least by heli-chopper and probably also or only, by aircraft. And they should probably have air bases with them (in the same hex). If they had airbases it might more closely resemble those HVY ICBM sites I've seen pictures of.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/DD9B31410A814390B67D9D0C07D24098.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T4 (12/7/2010 3:36:04 AM)

Here's a source of backup for my remarks above:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/DBD552EAC8A843378238F3B4ECE7BF4F.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T4 (12/7/2010 7:51:42 AM)

Here's how the air war went in Turn 4

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T4 (12/7/2010 7:52:13 AM)

Here's the WP losses so far:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/E4ADB324E11A4365A8C0472EFF617B2B.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T4 (12/7/2010 7:54:32 AM)

Here's the "end of turn do not send..." file so you guys can check it out:

just clip off the ".txt" from the filename to make it a ".sal" file again

Here's the WP moves in T4:

[img]http://b.imagehost.org/0938/t4_moves.gif[/img]

Here's the attached SAL file:



Odenathus -> RE: Armageddon 2015 T3 (12/7/2010 10:40:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: toawfan

That is a very strange display of the paratroopers. They are not out of the zone of control. They actually were nearly wiped out by you in a previous turn and I couldn't get away. They were definitely in reach.

I wonder if you attacked and they fled across that zone of control, but how, I do not know?

By the way, when I declared war on Finland in the Europe version of this scenario, the trigger never worked and I never got access to attack. I had amassed forces and then had to reassign them when it never worked after several turns.

I didn't declare war on any other faction. I wonder what will happen if and when you try.


Damn: I swear that I've tested those DoW triggers and they worked, but thanks for spotting it. I'll take a good look. Sorry.



Odenathus -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/8/2010 1:06:34 AM)

Sorry, I thought that you meant the script at the end of the report - when I look at it, it tails off into meaningless symbols. Have I missed you main point (yes)?



toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/8/2010 1:42:50 AM)

NATO Turn 4 is complete. Not much to report or to post on the AAR. Counter-punched cautiously. Hit some vulnerable units hard. Have really figured out how to use the attack helicopters to massive advantage against Russian tanks.

Mostly dug in; waiting on reinforcements to get into position. Pushed amphibious assault out of Spain; hurt similar assault in Italy but not enough. Larry is gaining a foothold, but I still think I've got enough to boot him out entirely.

Very worried about Europe. Warsaw was lost in this turn. Defensive perimeter is now established in a wall east of Berlin, but it's too many miles to cover with two few units. I just don't know if I can hold. If I lose Berlin, this game could be over very, very early.

Israel seems secure. I conceded Kuwait, pulling back to try to hold Baghdad. Serbia and Sarajevo are up for grabs for either side.

Starting to get substantial reinforcements. That's my only hope.



toawfan -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/8/2010 2:08:42 AM)

Here are NATO losses after Turn 4, to compare with what Larry posted above for Russia at same Turn 4:


[image]local://upfiles/36595/10B647DA16184567BE6957E3BE15EABC.jpg[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/8/2010 4:01:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Odenathus
Sorry, I thought that you meant the script at the end of the report - when I look at it, it tails off into meaningless symbols. Have I missed you main point (yes)?

Yes you've missed the boat. What I originally said was this:

Umm....there's probably more than one person ( Mark ) who might want to check out the Warsaw Pact's END_OF_TURN_DO_NOT_SEND file that was produced at the end of turn 1. Here you go:

[ just remove the .txt from the file name to make it a .sal file instead. ]


So um.....you weren't supposed to be able to read any of it, 'cause it's a binary file. Hence my confusion. I thought I was the only person able to read binary, hexadecimal, and 10 digit all just about equally. Well...., maybe not equally any more. I used to work as a computer programmer and it helped to have some numbers memorized in binary, hexidecimal, and base-10. Sped up the workflow sometimes. But I ramble.



1_Lzard -> RE: Armageddon 2015 Russia (Larry) vs. NATO (Roger) (12/8/2010 6:41:45 AM)

Larry,

Little Problem: what I'm getting from your DL's is a text file, with no opertunity to change by deleting the txt superscribtion, eh? It's basically the screen one gets when tabbing on the 'sce', eh? The gobbledygook Mark was refering to is the alphanumerics of the program.

I'd send you a pic, but this Forum doesn't seem to like me, LOL! What are you guys using for screen capture, eh?

By the way, you might want to keep up on the GSforum run, eh? Mark has replyed to a question of mine, and reffered to Roger's 'Finland' problem as well.... http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?96814-Armageddon-2015&p=1337404#post1337404



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