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Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/12/2010 9:21:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Joe Black


SPWAW upgraded to modern PCs (higher resolutions etc.)




Never going to happen. For one thing is it old software that is not owned by anyone that gives a damn.

I want the best solution. Let it die, and start from scratch and make a NEW game. Make it look the same as Steel Panthers, and seem like it is Steel Panthers and as complete as Steel Panthers and refuse to screw it up in any fashion ie leave it 2d look down turn based squad level WW2.

I am fully aware that Combat Leader hung around too long and died a miserable death. But not before making Matrix Games look bad for never showing up :)

Clearly Steel Panthers required some damned fine skills to make. And clearly it's successor will require the same level of skill, or you ain't getting a good game.

What boggles my mind, is it's just a 2d look down squad level turn based wargame.
It merely needs to be written again, as if computers really were running on Windows 7 and hard drives were measured on Terabytes and processors had incredible speeds with RAM measured in multiples of gigs.

I mean, no disrespect for the original creators of Steel Panthers, but the game was not that shockingly difficult. Or, is it that the people in charge of Combat Leader were that removed from the level of skill of the original creators of Steel Panthers?

All I want, is a 2d squad level WW2 turn based game that just happens to 'look' like Steel Panthers. I don't give a damn what they call it. I just want people to accept, no one is ever going to miraculously transform Steel Panthers any version into modern software. They'd have done it by now if they could. It's been a decade eh.

I'd also like them to kill off the spastic delusion any of us 'need' the AI in computer World in Flames which will fight like a moron, and we all know it will be a moron.
I don't care if you have to play the game alone. Get a grip, play both sides hotseat and shut up.
I'd just like them to finally stick the game on sale, so I can finally put my board game out to pasture as it is too big for even my 4'x 6' table.
As I see it, the constant wait on this game, has made it look like a Road to Moscow Duke Nukem tragedy. We don't need any more progress updates, we all know hell will freeze over first. Saying 'it's coming along' only encourages us to laugh at you man.



TheGrayMouser -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/12/2010 10:14:53 PM)

What ever happned to that game Matrix itself was developing (cant recall the game now) that appeared to be the spiritual succesor of Steel Panthers? It was top down and featured a new complexity of FOW, the ability to lay supressive fire at unk targets etc They got as far as some early screen shots and the game then faded away.....



junk2drive -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/12/2010 10:21:58 PM)

That was the Combat Leader that Les is talking about.



Deathtreader -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/12/2010 10:27:59 PM)

Hi,

It's been on the list for so long it might as well be not be on it.............you guessed it!

COMBINED ARMS!!

Rob.



Fallschirmjager -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:03:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lützow

Every future, large scale strategic surface naval warfare game is bound to feel lacking, as it will be inevitably measured against WitP AE. Aside of this, nobody had stand a chance against the Home Fleet and hence the Mediterranean theatre isn't good for PBEM. Myself I'd like a strategic U-Boat game, or a simulation with state-of-the-art-visuals, portraying Bismarck or Tirpitz. However, I guess we won't see that either.


Japan had no chance in the Pacific war. Yet it has made three fantastic games. The game is about the journey, not where it ends up.
A game focusing on the Med and the submarine war in the Atlantic could provide a lot of opportunity. Both sides could also use the political point system to request ships from the Atlantic fleets.



redcoat -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:19:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm

I would like to see a small unit tactical game in the vein of Age of Rifles, covering the obscure (and not so obscure) wars and battles fought during the period 1850-1923. Crimean War, Anglo-Zulu wars, American Civil War, Spanish American War, Boer War, Russo-Japanese War, Balkan Wars, WWI, Russian Civil War.



Me too.

Also a computer version of Field of Glory: Renaissance. Including battles from the Italian Wars, French War of Religion, Thirty Years War and English Civil War.



Zakhal -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:29:20 AM)

Its about time to have new steel panthers. 



ilovestrategy -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:31:56 AM)

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP. 



goodwoodrw -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:32:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lützow

Every future, large scale strategic surface naval warfare game is bound to feel lacking, as it will be inevitably measured against WitP AE. Aside of this, nobody had stand a chance against the Home Fleet and hence the Mediterranean theatre isn't good for PBEM. Myself I'd like a strategic U-Boat game, or a simulation with state-of-the-art-visuals, portraying Bismarck or Tirpitz. However, I guess we won't see that either.


Japan had no chance in the Pacific war. Yet it has made three fantastic games. The game is about the journey, not where it ends up.
A game focusing on the Med and the submarine war in the Atlantic could provide a lot of opportunity. Both sides could also use the political point system to request ships from the Atlantic fleets.

Yer great Idea, what ever happened to Norm Kroger, he created some good games?



junk2drive -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 12:43:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP. 


Ever look at the game at Shrapnel?



E -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 2:11:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

What would you like to see from Matrix next?


A coupon-code for a free game of my choice.

*grin*



Fallschirmjager -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 4:12:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: E


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

What would you like to see from Matrix next?


A coupon-code for a free game of my choice.

*grin*


Order 4 games with the holiday sale and with 33% off most titles it is like getting the fourth game free. [;)]
Matrix needs to hire me for marketing duties.



martok -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 4:29:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ASHBERY76


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ORIGINAL: Sheytan

A Emperor of the Fading Suns type game!


This....

+2

I've long heard good things about EotFS. Would love to see either a sequel, or something like it at least.




quote:

ORIGINAL: yoshino

Something like a Medieval Europe turn based strategic level game.
Maybe made by AGE engine or COG:EE engine would be awesome.


Also, this. Would love to have it include tactical battles as well, but it wouldn't be necessary if the strategic portion was deep enough.





ilovestrategy -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 5:23:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: junk2drive


quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP. 


Ever look at the game at Shrapnel?


What is the name? I'm curious.



Sheytan -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 5:34:50 AM)

There is a Hundred Years War online game believe it or not. Designed by
James F. Dunnigan.

It has quite a bit of roleplay involved however. Once upon a time as King of England, playing the character of Edward III I defeated France with my company of merry men. We had about 40 people playing various nobles on the English side and many many opponents as French and HRE nobles.

I was a cruel conquerer in the end. Ordering the beheading of any french noble that didnt accept my offer of "reconcilation".

The game had however some fantastic aspects, lineage, the ability to manage a family, hiers, and so on.

Link-http://www.hyw.com/

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ORIGINAL: hgilmer3

Hundred Years War with multiplayer options - a detailed in depth game with thousands of real people who participated modeled. 

Barring that, WiTE engine adopted for a WITW with Africa, Mediterranean, Italy, then Normandy to Berlin.

The last is something they have said they are looking at.





V22 Osprey -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 6:25:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy


quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive


quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP. 


Ever look at the game at Shrapnel?


What is the name? I'm curious.


War Plan Pacifc:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/KE_Studios/WPP/WPP_page.html

There are 4 major games covering the pacific war:(In order from most complex to least)
War in the Pacific:AE
Strategic Command: WW2 Pacific Theater
Storm over the pacific
War Plan Pacific



gabeeg -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 6:58:00 AM)

I want a squad level 2D or isometric (no f'ing 3D) WWII game a'la Steel Panthers II,SPWAW, Shrapnels WinSPWW2... I too do not care what it is called...I just want a fresh start on this type of title and not a patching and bandaging of an old (but dear) fart on life support.

Also, I want a WWII naval tactical game. I know Chris at NWS is stopping developement (or now it seems he is indicating that it is just a drastic slowing down) of his excellent Warship Combat: Navies at War due to lack of sales...maybe Matrix should approach NWS about handling and sponsering this title...just a fantastical idea...



jomni -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 9:20:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gabeeg
Also, I want a WWII naval tactical game. I know Chris at NWS is stopping developement (or now it seems he is indicating that it is just a drastic slowing down) of his excellent Warship Combat: Navies at War due to lack of sales...maybe Matrix should approach NWS about handling and sponsering this title...just a fantastical idea...


Sounds great! NWS sells boxed Matrix Games and Matrix Games publishes NWS games.  A good partnership.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP.


Ah a real sequel to PACWAR!!!
That's my dream also.

The Shrapnel game is called War Plan Pacific. It's good fun but nothing deep. So you get to see everything it has to offer after a few games (which can last for a few hours, even one sitting). Pacwar is deep but human control is set at a high level (a good combination).

I'm want some modern stuff.
What about post WWII version of the Command Ops series (Korea, Middle East, Cold War Europe)?
A highly detailed operational game of Korea or Middle East conflicts in the same vein as WITP / WITE.
A better depitction of the Vietnam and Middle East air wars as compared to the HPS offerings, maybe use a modified Ealge Day / Bombing of the Reich engine.
A CCMT that is done right.

Good thing, JTCS is getting a modern warfare twist and Flashpoint Middle East is in the works. 





ilovestrategy -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 9:43:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey


quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy


quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive


quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I would like a game covering the entire Pacific War but with a lot less micromanagement than WiTP. 


Ever look at the game at Shrapnel?


What is the name? I'm curious.


War Plan Pacifc:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/KE_Studios/WPP/WPP_page.html

There are 4 major games covering the pacific war:(In order from most complex to least)
War in the Pacific:AE
Strategic Command: WW2 Pacific Theater
Storm over the pacific
War Plan Pacific



you rock, thanks! [:)]



jomni -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 9:48:05 AM)

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diablo1 -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 1:39:30 PM)

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I don't care if you have to play the game alone. Get a grip, play both sides hotseat and shut up.


Well I don't care if you only want to play the game hotseat or PBEM or MP only, so shutty. [:)]




Zakhal -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/13/2010 4:37:17 PM)

I think we can all agree that we want to see either a new Steel Panthers or Emperor of the Fading Suns. 



wodin -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/14/2010 9:43:40 AM)

ALOT of you want a new tactical game so Matrix get back to CL and make it work...



Terminus -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/14/2010 9:56:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joe Black


SPWAW upgraded to modern PCs (higher resolutions etc.)




Never going to happen. For one thing is it old software that is not owned by anyone that gives a damn.

I want the best solution. Let it die, and start from scratch and make a NEW game. Make it look the same as Steel Panthers, and seem like it is Steel Panthers and as complete as Steel Panthers and refuse to screw it up in any fashion ie leave it 2d look down turn based squad level WW2.

I am fully aware that Combat Leader hung around too long and died a miserable death. But not before making Matrix Games look bad for never showing up :)

Clearly Steel Panthers required some damned fine skills to make. And clearly it's successor will require the same level of skill, or you ain't getting a good game.

What boggles my mind, is it's just a 2d look down squad level turn based wargame.
It merely needs to be written again, as if computers really were running on Windows 7 and hard drives were measured on Terabytes and processors had incredible speeds with RAM measured in multiples of gigs.

I mean, no disrespect for the original creators of Steel Panthers, but the game was not that shockingly difficult. Or, is it that the people in charge of Combat Leader were that removed from the level of skill of the original creators of Steel Panthers?

All I want, is a 2d squad level WW2 turn based game that just happens to 'look' like Steel Panthers. I don't give a damn what they call it. I just want people to accept, no one is ever going to miraculously transform Steel Panthers any version into modern software. They'd have done it by now if they could. It's been a decade eh.

I'd also like them to kill off the spastic delusion any of us 'need' the AI in computer World in Flames which will fight like a moron, and we all know it will be a moron.
I don't care if you have to play the game alone. Get a grip, play both sides hotseat and shut up.
I'd just like them to finally stick the game on sale, so I can finally put my board game out to pasture as it is too big for even my 4'x 6' table.
As I see it, the constant wait on this game, has made it look like a Road to Moscow Duke Nukem tragedy. We don't need any more progress updates, we all know hell will freeze over first. Saying 'it's coming along' only encourages us to laugh at you man.


Were you born this arrogant and nasty, or did you have to take a class?



Terminus -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/14/2010 9:56:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zakhal

I think we can all agree that we want to see either a new Steel Panthers or Emperor of the Fading Suns. 


Not really...



sabre1 -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/14/2010 1:48:48 PM)

NWS also published Supremacy at Sea. It never really took off either, for whatever reason. Graphics on both games are an acquired taste.

Both games are well supported, no DRM other than a serial number, and the developers are always good about answering questions.

I too would like to see Steel Panthers redone. I just can never get it or get into large operational games, or maybe my mind just balks at learning new systems. Probably the latter.

I really like BA, but just not enough scenarios, missions, campaigns, to keep you going back to it. The good thing is that you don't have to crack the manual to play.



Fallschirmjager -> RE: What would you like to see from Matrix next? (12/14/2010 11:01:09 PM)

I allowed three titles so I am going to take my third [;)]
I would like an operational level Vietnam game down to the company/battalion level with some special units at the platoon level.



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