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warspite1 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/23/2010 11:26:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus And that's bad how? Warspite1 Simply because until then the posts had been largely reasonable, even handed and the topic discussed in a grown up way.

Mac67 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 12:51:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Hertston Im curious. As JD said we have have a totally different culture regarding guns in the UK. What exactly do you do with guns like that? I can understand target rifles, and hunting rifles and shotguns, but surely assault rifles belong in the military? The US is a very immature country. When you're small, you like things that go BANG. Funny that. Terminus is always the first one to squeal about trolls but he never trolls himself... [8\|]

bairdlander2 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 1:09:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mac67 quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Hertston Im curious. As JD said we have have a totally different culture regarding guns in the UK. What exactly do you do with guns like that? I can understand target rifles, and hunting rifles and shotguns, but surely assault rifles belong in the military? The US is a very immature country. When you're small, you like things that go BANG. Funny that. Terminus is always the first one to squeal about trolls but he never trolls himself... [8\|] I still cant understand why he hasnt been banned

hgilmer3 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 1:25:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd Dunblane was the incident. I remember now after searching. There's not a ban on guns here per se - I don't know what the gun laws are here, but I do know it's not common place to have guns and I'm pretty happy about that and long may it live. What are the gun laws in the US? Are you vetted at all? Couple of interesting links (or not [;)] ) Dunblane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre and gun policitics in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom The situation here is a little crazy, if you ask me, but I'm unsure how it could be otherwise with the way our laws are done (not saying it is good or bad). We have the Constitution that federally guarantees that we have the right to own firearms. But, then it is left to the individual states to determine a lot of the actual laws for owning and/or carrying firearms. There are a lot of states that are very lenient and let you own guns with merely a background phone check. You can move freely between these states without fear of being arrested for breaking the law. I think that is about 19 of our 50 states. Others are more strict. They don't have "reciprocation" with the 19 states so if you buy a firearm in one of the 19 states, and go into one of the stricter states, you'd better be prepared to adhere strictly to their local laws. We have a case just recently where a man bought 3 firearms legally in Colorado or Wyoming., He was moving to New Jersey and had them in the trunk of his car. He was pulled over by the police because his mother had called them afraid for his state of mind. He had all three guns unloaded in the trunk. But, because of their local laws he was sentenced to 7 years of prison, I believe. The governor of NJ just commuted his sentence because he had never been in trouble with the law and he might have been within the law in the way he was carrying his firearms. There's a gray area there. I own one firearm. A Glock 45 caliber automatic. That's enough for me. All I had to do was have them call in a federal check on me by phone and I was cleared. Sorry so long, and I hope this clarifies it somewhat, although I admit I find it a little confusing myself sometimes.

mjk428 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 1:29:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Hertston Im curious. As JD said we have have a totally different culture regarding guns in the UK. What exactly do you do with guns like that? I can understand target rifles, and hunting rifles and shotguns, but surely assault rifles belong in the military? The US is a very immature country. When you're small, you like things that go BANG. Thank you ever so much for your valuable contribution to the thread, Mr Bigman from Matureville. Hertston: The civilian versions emulate the style, not the performance, of true military assault weapons.

Mac67 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 1:49:21 AM)
quote: I still cant understand why he hasnt been banned Oh he has been a few times... [8D] That little hissy fit should be enough to get him another one.

t001001001 -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 2:02:08 AM)
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Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 2:27:20 AM)
The irony of all this is the legacy of gun ownership and a armed citizenry are a direct legacy of the revolution here in America against the British Crown. Again great discussion. quote: ORIGINAL: ezz In the UK the gun laws generally followed the major wars. After the Napoleonic wars there was an act to disarm the population as many former soldiers, now unemployed, had taken to roaming the country robbing people. Same after the first world war. The major firearms act was in 1968. Firearms of any type, pistol, rifle etc are virtually unkown in the UK. A friend of mine is in the British rifle team otherwise I would know no-one who owns a weapon. I have never seen a pistol in a house in the UK. hunting is very rare too. Deer hunting would be considered a heinous crime. Squirel shooting too would get very strange looks if it was announced in a bar. The later firearms acts were knee jerk politician reactions to two massacres, Dunblane and Hungerford, but gun laws were already very strict and I doubt that having a semi or single shot weapon would have made a lot of difference. There has been a recent random shooting spree in June when a gunman killed 12 and injured 11. But generally in the UK gun deaths is ridiculously low by US standards. 42 deaths from firearms, including suicide, in 2008. In the USA it is around 11,000 from a population about 5 times larger than the UK. The firearm ownership statistics would show an even greater discrepancy. Its just cultural. In the UK guns are owned by farmers, a tiny minority of sporting shooters and then criminals. You never ever see them Most people would not be able to tell you where a gun shop is located as they would never have seen one. UK police are not armed and carry no weapons except a tin stick and a can of pepper. It is really strange when USA citizens talk of their gun collections. To a British resident it is just something {generally} we don't do.{Northern Ireland , at war for 30 years is slightly different} I'm not knocking gun ownership or disparaging it. Just agreeing with Judge. It is cultural. It might be like us all telling you "oh we all drive AFV's. We don't have automobiles. Just AFV's! Its sooo much safer. Sure a few thousand pedestrians are squashed in parking accidents but thats the price of safety..and then we go on to describe our recreational tank collections!"

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 2:29:37 AM)
You can easily get a carry permit here in Arizona. You need to attend a class and im sure you cannot have a record, my brother has one as does his father in law who always wears a sidearm. I very much doubt I will bother getting one however. I can have a weapon in my vehicle as long as it isnt chambered and that is legal, even with a loaded clip in it. That is all I need. quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd The thing is - I recall my time on the ranges in the Military...it was VERY regimented and under strict conditions. The thought of people wandering the country shooting at what they like scares the crap out of me! Imagine, if you will, standing in a field and firing a high velocity rifle...that bullet, if it doesn't hit something, will travel quite far. For an ordinary civilian to determine whether it's safe to fire that weapon or not seems dangerous. This almost never happens. Like I said, more than 9/10 gun related deaths occur from handguns and the vast majority of those occur from cheap legally purchased handguns who find their way to inner cities by illegal methods. A death or injury from what you describe is exceedingly rare. Most larger cities make it harder to have a gun permit and damn near impossible to have a carry permit (Washington DC and NYC are good examples). They also make it illegal to fire a gun within city premises. Even the medium sized city I live in (about 300,000) makes it illegal to find a weapon outdoors, inside city limits unless you are at a range.

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 2:33:44 AM)
Nice looking weapon. Best group I ever got in the Army was while battlesighting my M16...I put two rounds in the same hole and the third overlapped that single hole. My company first sargeant took the paper target and posted it in the day room. Made me pretty proud at the time. quote: ORIGINAL: Zakhal I was very fond of my rk62 in army. I made top scores with it all the time and trainer called me a murderer when I made a shot ring the size of matchbox shooting from a knee 300m away. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/RK_62_76.jpg After army I thought about making it a hobby to shoot at targets but after ten years I never got to doing it.

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 2:34:36 AM)
LOL! Here we go! quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: Hertston Im curious. As JD said we have have a totally different culture regarding guns in the UK. What exactly do you do with guns like that? I can understand target rifles, and hunting rifles and shotguns, but surely assault rifles belong in the military? The US is a very immature country. When you're small, you like things that go BANG.

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 5:33:20 AM)
When I want to conceal I carry the Kimbers Ultra Carry CDP (Edit to say that this is an incredible weapon. Have fired over a thousand rounds through it and never a fail to feed or fail to eject. Rather pricey though.) [image]http://www.e-gun.net/guns/20192-1.jpg[/image] If I'm open carrying I also harness the 357 [image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/S%26W-357.jpg[/image] The missus carries a small hammerless 38 Terminus, please don't insult my country of origin. 'Any government that fears arms in the hands of it's citizens should also fear the rope.'

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 5:41:50 AM)
The Kimber looks sweet. I will look it up. Thanks! Considering I think the 40 cal P94 is unmanagable because of the recoil, I think id hurt myself with the 357. Bear in mind I can use the p94 effectively but I like to stay on target and I cant do that with the p94. I have to reacquire the target after every round. Why im now determined to get a 9mm. Regarding Terminus its fairly obivious he came to this thread topic to contribute nothing. So dismiss him. Otherwise you are simply feeding a troll. quote: ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel When I want to conceal I carry the Kimbers Ultra Carry CDP (Edit to say that this is an incredible weapon. Have fired over a thousand rounds through it and never a fail to feed or fail to eject. Rather pricey though.) [image]http://www.e-gun.net/guns/20192-1.jpg[/image] If I'm open carrying I also harness the 357 [image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/S%26W-357.jpg[/image] The missus carries a small hammerless 38 Terminus, please don't insult my country of origin. 'Any government that fears arms in the hands of it's citizens should also fear the rope.'

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 5:47:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sheytan I can have a weapon in my vehicle as long as it isnt chambered and that is legal, even with a loaded clip in it. That is all I need. Here in Missouri one doesn't need any permit to carry loaded and cocked gun(not much good otherwise) in vehicle as long as it is concealed. As stated before, 98% of gun crimes are perpetrated by a group of people that would resort to clubbing/stabbing if guns were not available. Very tribal and territorial tendencies. I refuse to lose my rights because of their behavior. mo reb

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 6:17:13 AM)
Also Sheyton, the weapon you choose must be an extension of what you want to use it for. If you want to C&C a small pistol is the way to go. Keep in mind that most gunfights happen at around 10 feet or less. A revolver VERY RARELY fails to fire but you are limited in shots where an auto gives you many more. If you are wanting to target shoot, a 9mm etc. with a longer barrel is a better choice as the ammo on larger calibers are expensive to fire and a longer barrel improves accuracy. If it is for home protection, not much beats a Remington 870 mag shotgun with a 18.5 inch barrel and the plug removed for more shells. Don't have to be too good a shot while waking up with sleep in your eyes. But do check out the kimbers. It kicks very mildly for what it is. mo reb

goodwoodrw -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 6:36:52 AM)
MR, How does a hammerless gun work, what is it? The other question as Australian I fail to understand why people need to carry a weapon at all? ( by the way this is not a criticism just curious!

Fallschirmjager -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 6:44:05 AM)
Kimbers are nice but also incredibly expensive (you probably can't touch one factory new below $1,000). They are more for show/match grade accuracy rather than everyday pieces. I don't carry a weapon and have no desire to do so. I also am inside a courthouse a few days a week and couldn't carry one even if I wanted to. But now that I shoot with my brother twice a month I did make my first weapon purchase. It is a Sig Sauer P250 .40 that I got factory new with two magazines for $380 I found a model a few years older than the current one and saved quite a bit of money If I can make one suggestion, if you are going to make a pistol purchase then I reccomend it be 9mm. The ammo is easily the most common and least expensive of pistol ammo besides .22 I wish I had done the same when I made my first purchase. The large and more exotic ammo you buy the more expensive it becomes. Maybe it is just a local problem, but I also have a hard time finding ammo sometimes as well as weapons I want to purchase. Ever since Jan 2009 when Obama took office some hardcore gun nuts think their weapons are going to be taken away so they buy ammo in bulk. Most of them don't realize that in several states gun laws have been loosened since he took over [:D] Anyways, it has made some ammo hard to find and dealers have taken advantage of the paranoia and made ammo and guns 30-40% more expensive than pre 2009. Nothing like taking advantage of peoples fear and driving up the prices eh? [;)]

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 6:47:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BASB MR, How does a hammerless gun work, what is it? The other question as Australian I fail to understand why people need to carry a weapon at all? ( by the way this is not a criticism just curious! A hammerless gun is just what it implies. Without the hammer. It is a revolver that is fired by pulling the trigger alone. Good for women who put them in their purses and people who prefer to carry in pockets, mostly the front, in that the hammer will not get caught on articles of clothing and or purse contents. As to why? I can only speak for myself in that I would rather protect myself and family with something that is effective. I have owned guns since a small child and have lawfully carried pistols for years. Never have I pulled it and hope and plan that I never will. It's never known by anyone when I choose to carry. In short, you only get to see it once. mo reb

Phatguy -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 6:49:25 AM)
I love my S&W 500 but personally couldnt live without my Horton Legacy crossbow......guess i'm weird that way I dont take the 500 out too much anymore..Guess i'm too lazy to load my own bullets

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager Kimbers are nice but also incredibly expensive (you probably can't touch one factory new below $1,000). They are more for show/match grade accuracy rather than everyday pieces. Yeah, I warned him they were expensive. But if your life is on the line what is a few more hundred dollars. The real problem with cheaper autos is that they are prone to stovepipe, something very dangerous if at the worst possible time. Like I said before also, it really depends on what you want it for. As far as ammo, reloading will save you TONS of cash if you practice/shoot often. But those are only for target guns. The Kimber never sees anything but hornsby hollow points. mo reb

Fallschirmjager -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:10:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager Kimbers are nice but also incredibly expensive (you probably can't touch one factory new below $1,000). They are more for show/match grade accuracy rather than everyday pieces. Yeah, I warned him they were expensive. But if your life is on the line what is a few more hundred dollars. The real problem with cheaper autos is that they are prone to stovepipe, something very dangerous if at the worst possible time. Like I said before also, it really depends on what you want it for. As far as ammo, reloading will save you TONS of cash if you practice/shoot often. But those are only for target guns. The Kimber never sees anything but hornsby hollow points. mo reb If I remember correctly they are hand made and also have things like real wood grips made of precious woods. You can buy a polymer/blued steel gun for half as much and not have to worry about reliability. If you are a first time owner there is nothing wrong by going with Sig, Springfield, Beretta, Walther etc. None of those carry any excessive reliability problems There are some brands though I would stay away from even if I you did not carry the weapon around. I would be scared just being around them. If you decide you like it as a hobby then you can step up to the big time and get a Kimber or H&K

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:14:23 AM)
Hah! Thats what my Dad, God rest his soul, told me, he said get a shotgun for home defense. I had considered getting a 870, owned one thirty years ago, as far as a 9 mike mike goes I like it because I can stay on target. At any rate I think for the time bieng it will be a 9 mm and a tactical rifle. Thanks for the tips. quote: ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel Also Sheyton, the weapon you choose must be an extension of what you want to use it for. If you want to C&C a small pistol is the way to go. Keep in mind that most gunfights happen at around 10 feet or less. A revolver VERY RARELY fails to fire but you are limited in shots where an auto gives you many more. If you are wanting to target shoot, a 9mm etc. with a longer barrel is a better choice as the ammo on larger calibers are expensive to fire and a longer barrel improves accuracy. If it is for home protection, not much beats a Remington 870 mag shotgun with a 18.5 inch barrel and the plug removed for more shells. Don't have to be too good a shot while waking up with sleep in your eyes. But do check out the kimbers. It kicks very mildly for what it is. mo reb

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:16:06 AM)
Good points and yes, shooting a 9mm is alot cheaper. I buy the ammo to shoot my brothers glock 17. quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager Kimbers are nice but also incredibly expensive (you probably can't touch one factory new below $1,000). They are more for show/match grade accuracy rather than everyday pieces. I don't carry a weapon and have no desire to do so. I also am inside a courthouse a few days a week and couldn't carry one even if I wanted to. But now that I shoot with my brother twice a month I did make my first weapon purchase. It is a Sig Sauer P250 .40 that I got factory new with two magazines for $380 I found a model a few years older than the current one and saved quite a bit of money If I can make one suggestion, if you are going to make a pistol purchase then I reccomend it be 9mm. The ammo is easily the most common and least expensive of pistol ammo besides .22 I wish I had done the same when I made my first purchase. The large and more exotic ammo you buy the more expensive it becomes. Maybe it is just a local problem, but I also have a hard time finding ammo sometimes as well as weapons I want to purchase. Ever since Jan 2009 when Obama took office some hardcore gun nuts think their weapons are going to be taken away so they buy ammo in bulk. Most of them don't realize that in several states gun laws have been loosened since he took over [:D] Anyways, it has made some ammo hard to find and dealers have taken advantage of the paranoia and made ammo and guns 30-40% more expensive than pre 2009. Nothing like taking advantage of peoples fear and driving up the prices eh? [;)]

Missouri_Rebel -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:46:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager If I remember correctly they are hand made and also have things like real wood grips made of precious woods. You can buy a polymer/blued steel gun for half as much and not have to worry about reliability. If you are a first time owner there is nothing wrong by going with Sig, Springfield, Beretta, Walther etc. None of those carry any excessive reliability problems There are some brands though I would stay away from even if I you did not carry the weapon around. I would be scared just being around them. If you decide you like it as a hobby then you can step up to the big time and get a Kimber or H&K All true statements and probably better advice than what I had been advocating considering your circumstances. Whatever your choice, please practice safety at ALL times, especially if you have children in the house. Never assume they know not to handle your guns. Lastly, always consider the gun is loaded. ALWAYS! mo reb

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:49:31 AM)
To answer the last part of your question, to protect yourself. I made some comments about this above your post. I dont think some of the posters here understand how dangerous the world can be in some places. Where I live in Tucsons east side, it is a quiet peaceful place, at the local intersection of Harrison and Golflinks roads a individual tried to carjack a woman filling her car with gas at the local quickmart, he failed, ended up downtown in the city center hours later and stabbed two female students at a busstop. All of this made the news. I consider myself very streetwise, I will pan any area I enter, and wait before I exit my car to see if anyone is watching me. I have been approached by individuals in places like shopping malls and grocery store parking lots asking me for money from time to time. That is a aside, I have no issue dealing with this, but I am careful and reasonably so wary of any stranger doing so because that individual might just as easily be trying to rob me or worse. For those of you living in places where there APPEARS to be no crime, you are blessed. In the USA we have a very mobile society, even in rural areas that typically see little or no crime bad things can happen in a hurry. At any rate yes, id love to live in Denmark with Terminus so we could stare out the window and blind the grandmother pushing the baby stroller down the street with the glare coming off our collective bald domes, but regretfully I cant move there yet, and frankly im not sure pickeled eel or herring would appeal to my digestive constitution over a long term. I do like Tuborg though! Drank alot of that while working in Turkey. quote: ORIGINAL: BASB MR, How does a hammerless gun work, what is it? The other question as Australian I fail to understand why people need to carry a weapon at all? ( by the way this is not a criticism just curious!

JudgeDredd -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:52:20 AM)
On behalf of Europe, I would like to apologise for Terminus' post

goodwoodrw -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 7:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel quote: ORIGINAL: BASB MR, How does a hammerless gun work, what is it? The other question as Australian I fail to understand why people need to carry a weapon at all? ( by the way this is not a criticism just curious! A hammerless gun is just what it implies. Without the hammer. It is a revolver that is fired by pulling the trigger alone. Good for women who put them in their purses and people who prefer to carry in pockets, mostly the front, in that the hammer will not get caught on articles of clothing and or purse contents. As to why? I can only speak for myself in that I would rather protect myself and family with something that is effective. I have owned guns since a small child and have lawfully carried pistols for years. Never have I pulled it and hope and plan that I never will. It's never known by anyone when I choose to carry. In short, you only get to see it once. mo reb I guess different cultures different attitudes. strangely I'm a person that doesn't see the need for any citizen good or bad requiring to carry a gun, what makes my comment more strange is I was in a position where I kept a Smith and Wesson revolver in my top drawer for 4 years as crazy as may sound.[:(]

Sheytan -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 8:00:51 AM)
Why should you? Nice sentiment, but if he was man enough he would. He was out and out trolling. Sides Judge I would rather lift a pint with you then spend a minute with Terminus. You have interesting things to say and its not brain surgery to see who one would rather drink with. At any rate lets not focus on err the T word. Because it might actually derail and close this thread, which I believe was his intention. quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd On behalf of Europe, I would like to apologise for Terminus' post

JudgeDredd -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 8:00:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sheytan The irony of all this is the legacy of gun ownership and a armed citizenry are a direct legacy of the revolution here in America against the British Crown. Again great discussion. Perhaps that's the reason we are strict in fire arms laws - maybe they don't want another revolution...last time I heard, the last one didn't go too good [:'(] It may well be easier than I imagine to get a firearm in the UK...I have never looked into it. Someone else mentioned it's the culture and I believe that's possibly the case. As I said, I shot an L1A1 SLR in the army and loved it (except for the cleaning!) - loved the smell of cordite, loved seeing those targets go down (especially the moving ones - worryingly!)...but it NEVER occurred to me I would own a weapon outside the forces...and I guess that's because we just don't. Someone else said about not knowing where a gun shop is. That's absolutely true. I am 43 years old and I have seen 1 gun shop in the UK. Strangely enough, that wasn't in a big city (I hail from Glasgow), but in my sleepy wee town of Colchester. I pass by one every day going to and from my place of work to the town centre for lunch break. I've often thought about going in and having a look about - but you know what - it's always seemed kind of wrong - seedy maybe? - like I shouldn't have one or people will be wondering why I'm going in there...a bit like a some people and sex shops maybe...wanting to go in out of curiosity but bothered by what people will think. I will pop into that shop one day and ask the guy what's involved and maybe post back here. (I just hope no-one sees me [:'(] )

goodwoodrw -> RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? (12/24/2010 8:12:00 AM)
Heh Judge good point I live in a out of the way town that has a couple hundred house no sex or gun shop, but nearest provincial town (about 16000 pops) has a sex shop and no gun shop. [:D] [:D][:D] Plenty of bogan hunters around here, I don't know where they get their supplies from. Also as a youn'em before gun laws got tight down here I own an old Mauser re barrelled or bored to 30.06 kicked like a mule, I grew up and tired of it.

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