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vonTirpitz -> OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 3:43:26 PM)

A friend had sent this link to a 360 degree internal cockpit view from inside the Enola Gay at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. Just thought I would share.

You can use the panel controls at the bottom of the screen to manipulate your view.



Pascal_slith -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 5:53:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vonTirpitz

A friend had sent this link to a 360 degree internal cockpit view from inside the Enola Gay at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. Just thought I would share.

You can use the panel controls at the bottom of the screen to manipulate your view.


Thanks! Nice shots!



Sredni -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 6:18:24 PM)

Are those seats just bare metal? No wonder our bomber pilots get fatigued.



Mac Linehan -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 6:34:50 PM)

von Tirpitz -

very nice and informative! Thank You!

Mac



ChezDaJez -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 9:01:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sredni

Are those seats just bare metal? No wonder our bomber pilots get fatigued.


The seats were designed to accomodate parachute seat packs. You literally sat on your parachute.

I never realized how poor the forward visibilty was with all that bracing. Note also that the throttles are at the engineer's station behind the pilot. That must have made it a pain to jockey the throttles to maintain formation.

Chez



rockmedic109 -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/15/2011 9:42:08 PM)

This game is AMAZING!  It even simulates pilot constipation from hard lumpy seats by calling it Fatigue!



zace -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/16/2011 1:41:22 AM)

Many modern seats are still bare metal. I know none of our F-16s used the seat cushions I have seen but never seen used. I know from experience that you don't mind so much when in one though...



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/16/2011 2:06:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sredni

Are those seats just bare metal? No wonder our bomber pilots get fatigued.


The seats were designed to accomodate parachute seat packs. You literally sat on your parachute.

I never realized how poor the forward visibilty was with all that bracing. Note also that the throttles are at the engineer's station behind the pilot. That must have made it a pain to jockey the throttles to maintain formation.

Chez


There are throttles to the pilot's left, down low. I think the FE's are back-ups.



stuman -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/16/2011 4:36:43 AM)

Very interesting, thanks.



LeeChard -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/17/2011 10:39:59 PM)

Great site, Thanks!



Brady -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 3:56:01 PM)

A few years back I spent about 20 min inside Fe Fe's Cockpit and thought the view despite the bracing was prety good.



LoBaron -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 4:47:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sredni

Are those seats just bare metal? No wonder our bomber pilots get fatigued.


The seats were designed to accomodate parachute seat packs. You literally sat on your parachute.

I never realized how poor the forward visibilty was with all that bracing. Note also that the throttles are at the engineer's station behind the pilot. That must have made it a pain to jockey the throttles to maintain formation.

Chez


There are throttles to the pilot's left, down low. I think the FE's are back-ups.


I donīt think these are throttle levers at the flight mechanics position. From the colour code Iīd assume its prop pitch and mixture levers.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 5:12:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

I donīt think these are throttle levers at the flight mechanics position. From the colour code Iīd assume its prop pitch and mixture levers.



Why would you want to have the FE play with pitch independant of the other flight characteristics? Prop pitch ought to be the pilot's and others keep their cotton-pickers off.

If they're back-up pitch controls for battle-damage, I'd think they'd be pretty worthless without throttes to accompany. Any prop pilots here?

FWIW, I thought they were throttles specifically FOR battle-damage backup use. You could maybe get home without prop pitch controls, but throttles are going to be needed to land. Although the co-pilot is going to be busy if the pilot is dead and he has to make throttle changes on final approach with voice commands to the FE.



Panther Bait -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 6:05:07 PM)

I would think the FE would be adjusting prop pitch and mixture to keep other operating parameters (engine speed, manifold pressure, etc.) within tolerances based on the throttle settings set by the pilot. This frees up the pilot to concentrate on flying the plane (especially during landing, climb out, dealing with damage, descent, and landing).

What the pilot most needs to worry about is airspeed for the current flight regime. To do that, he's probably moving the throttle as a block most of the time (maybe tweaking individually during cruise). He doesn't need to split brain time remembering that no. 2 needs a little more prop pitch than the other 3 because it's in bad need of an overhaul.

Likewise if the port inboard just caught fire from flak, he'd probably appreciate a little help from the FE to shut it down and retune the other 3 rather than having to do it all himself.

At least that's how my Dad described it. He did some FE duties on cargo planes in USAF in the 50's/60's.



LoBaron -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 6:08:49 PM)

I think the leversīcolor codes are generic:

Black = throttle
Blue = Prop pitch
Red = Mixture

Thats a FSX screenshot but the model of the plane (Piper Seneca II) is pretty accurate.

[img]http://fsfiles.org/flightsimshots/images/882cockpit.jpg[/img]


Dependig on altitude, throttle setting, and whether you are in level flight, climb or descent, there is always an optimum setting for prop pitch and mixture.
I imagine it is to reduce the workload on the pilot. Its just a guess though, I could be wrong.






Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 7:45:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panther Bait

I would think the FE would be adjusting prop pitch and mixture to keep other operating parameters (engine speed, manifold pressure, etc.) within tolerances based on the throttle settings set by the pilot. This frees up the pilot to concentrate on flying the plane (especially during landing, climb out, dealing with damage, descent, and landing).

At least that's how my Dad described it. He did some FE duties on cargo planes in USAF in the 50's/60's.


I bow to your superior knowledge, sir. My impresion was that prop pitch and throttle degree were intimately tied together in establishing airspeed, not just fuel efficiency, etc. And the pilot is very interested in tight control of airspeed.



LoBaron -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/18/2011 7:50:13 PM)

Bullwinkle your impression is partly right.

The BF109 types for example had an automatic pitch and if I am not completely wrong even automatic mixture which was higly favoured by
the pilots in combat situations.

And I also have to admit that I did not look to the sides of the pilots seat where obviousely throttle levers with a blue knob are located.
I still think that the FE levers are pitch and mixture but I was definitely wrong with the colour code.



Panther Bait -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/19/2011 2:57:29 PM)

Unfortunately my info is second-hand, so it's always possible that I'm not 100% correct.

Certainly all three combine together to control airspeed, but my impression has always been that throttle is the master control and prop pitch and mixture settings are based on matching the throttle setting to engine performance.

Therefore, if the pilot needs to off-load some responsibility, prop pitch and mixture are the ones to transition to a new guy, especially if they require the operator to look at gauges, readouts, or anything else outside the forward view. Of course, I bet that an experienced FE could tune by vibration and sound as much as by gauges.



Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/19/2011 11:01:30 PM)

When you realize the thing is over 65 years old it is quite impressive. I believe the Japanese got their hands on at least one downed B-29. You just know one of them had to say, "Hory ****, we in big trouble" after seeing the technology.

Only the graphical stuff looks really dated (logos and such)



TheElf -> RE: OT - B-29 Cockpit (1/20/2011 6:16:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: zace

Many modern seats are still bare metal. I know none of our F-16s used the seat cushions I have seen but never seen used. I know from experience that you don't mind so much when in one though...


you can't have a cushion on an ejection seat because of seat slap. Imagine the effect on your Femur as an ejection seat travels with upward force of ~20g's and before it hits your leg it travels 1 inch (of cushion) before assuming the weight of your body....



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