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Ridgeway -> RE: AGN Turn 1 moves (3/18/2011 11:03:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ketza

I like your post. Several good ideas concerning the naval movement. Nicely done.



Thanks.

I checked the potential weakness at Utena, and it cannot be breached (I don't think). The Inf Division in Sven.....whatever can only get to the tree-line (see picture below).

One issue with this move is that it weakens the northern flank of the Minsk/Bialystock pocket. I addressed this by sending one reinforced MOT division from 47th PzK north to tighten up the Bialystock portion of the pocket where most of the units are. He is the guy E of Scuchin. The units E of him were able to break the pocket, but I think they will be re-isolated on T2 and then destroyed as the Inf Corps advance. The units W of him are in deep borscht.

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Aussiematto -> RE: AGN Turn 1 moves (3/19/2011 9:12:42 AM)

Adding to the suggested first moves, with the intention of pocketing, rather than getting Riga (since if you pocket right you probably won't need to fight for Riga...)

Start by clearing the frontier using rear units, to maximise MP at the front (eg use 101st RHG, XXIII rd Corps, L Corps). Then use the two infantry divisions from 4th PzG to rout back all the forces around the Dubysa river; Xth Corps does this too. The goal is to rout them, then pocket them.

A few key units

291st Inf (XXVI Corps) has the most MP and closest to Liepaja (port). It can reach 46,38 with 6 MP giving it a deliebrate attack to take the port, plus can deal with NKVD regiment.

36th Mot(XXXXI Pz) can slide between the routed units to take all of the other western baltic ports. It ends up in 49,32 and hasty attacks the Fort Region in Ventspils. Exactly how it gets there depends on where Russian units have routed to.

3rd Mot(LVI Pz) (ATTACH 1 pioneer) goes sliding past routed units to 62,43 to dispose of the airborne brigade. If you are lucky, you can rout it (this leaves 3rd Mot with sufficient Mps to get south eventually into 64,43 and link up with 3rd PZGroup forces. 6th Pz (XXXXI Pz) follows to get across the river at 65,42 and then rout the airborne.

Other units simply seal off the pockets.

Now, in doing this... I played it out and got an interesting retreat result. There were no Soviet routs towards the ports. Therefore, I didn't bother to take them out, using 36th Mot. to cover Riga. You can see the result -- it freed up another unit in 3rd Pz - (14th Mot) which normally I use in the North.





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Aussiematto -> RE: AGN Turn 1 moves (3/19/2011 9:25:24 AM)

Sorry

I forgot to add -- I've not done all the other moves in that screenshot -- just enough to show the armour moves. Attached to this post is the picture where I have cleared the ports - as a result, one more armour unit from 3rd Pz gets sent north.

Interestingly, to achieve this result I had to rout the routed units in Jelgava 57,43. I have done this before from a Sth westerly direction and they go back towards leningrad. But from a West or Nor west direction they rout back into the pockets to the south, thus enabling me to close off the pocket nicely and still capture /destroy them in T2. I've noticed similar things in the Bialystok pocket -- I have to go read the manual to see if this can be predicted but it has something to do with the location of HQ units...

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Ridgeway -> RE: AGN Turn 1 moves (3/19/2011 2:53:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: majeloz

Sorry

I forgot to add -- I've not done all the other moves in that screenshot -- just enough to show the armour moves. Attached to this post is the picture where I have cleared the ports - as a result, one more armour unit from 3rd Pz gets sent north.

Interestingly, to achieve this result I had to rout the routed units in Jelgava 57,43. I have done this before from a Sth westerly direction and they go back towards leningrad. But from a West or Nor west direction they rout back into the pockets to the south, thus enabling me to close off the pocket nicely and still capture /destroy them in T2. I've noticed similar things in the Bialystok pocket -- I have to go read the manual to see if this can be predicted but it has something to do with the location of HQ units...

[image]local://upfiles/37574/6A69B161F5EA4F1B94F7F020CECAE931.jpg[/image]

I don't think I see the point in not taking Riga on T1. A hatsy attack with 2 PzDivs from XXXXI PzCorps works pretty much every time. There are two big benefits: (1) you can sealift in infantry on T1 (and Riga may be a supply source on T2), and there (2) there is no opportunity to reinforce Riga. I have found cracking Riga on T2 to be more difficult than on T1. One minor bonus is that you can blow up the AF that was on the E bank of the Dvina.

I do not see any real downsides to doing this, because the PzDivs get across the Dvina on T2 (which you want) and are on their way to Pskov T2. Also, I do not see that any pockets are materially lessened.



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