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Chet Guiles -> Ship Design (3/10/2011 6:07:56 PM)

Am I correct in understanding that the AI can use ANY ship I design? Does that mean that pirates can get my best ships as soon as I do, even though I do the design work and the ships have not been "captured"? There definitely ought to be some sort of delay in that process, or there is no benefit whatever from designing different or unique classes of ship. Let the suckers design their own, develop their own technology.

Rant. Rant.



Howard Mitchell -> RE: Ship Design (3/10/2011 6:19:54 PM)

In my current game, started under 1.5.0.4 and patched progressively since, I have never once seen pirates use any of my designs.



Wreck -> RE: Ship Design (3/10/2011 7:18:03 PM)

The AIs don't get your designs, only pirates can.  But pirates for the most part only build little ships -- I've never seen larger than cruisers, and even that rarely.  So, they might get your little designs (if you even use them -- I don't). 

Pirates seem to get new ships based on their success in killing stuff.  So, if you squash them quickly they won't ever get beyond frigates or destroyers. 



ehsumrell1 -> RE: Ship Design (3/10/2011 7:34:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Am I correct in understanding that the AI can use ANY ship I design? Does that mean that pirates can get my best ships as soon as I do, even though I do the design work and the ships have not been "captured"? There definitely ought to be some sort of delay in that process, or there is no benefit whatever from designing different or unique classes of ship. Let the suckers design their own, develop their own technology.

Rant. Rant.


Hello Chet;
The pirate factions CAN use your designs after a while depending on certain
conditions existing. For instance, the more successful a particular pirate
faction is in attacking bases, ships, etc., and escaping, the more likely
you are to see that your escort, frigate, and possibly even cruiser designs
have been 'jacked', stolen, or whatever you wish to call it. It doesn't
happen right away though. Also, the number of pirate factions present also
affect this.

My best advise is this; when your explorers locate a pirate base, go to the
diplomacy screen and have a quick conversation to buy any valuable info they
may have. Then gather a adequate strike fleet and go BLOW THE BASE OUT OF
YOUR SKY! [sm=fighting0020.gif]

You may also get a a few more ideas from The WAR ROOM forum thread on how
to deal with pirates....Happy hunting! [:)]



Larsenex -> RE: Ship Design (3/10/2011 8:16:35 PM)

I can verify that Pirates will in fact show up with YOUR designs. I have seen my beautiful cruisers attack my mining bases and other ships.



Data -> RE: Ship Design (3/10/2011 8:35:10 PM)

that is why I always use battleship class for every desing, from the smallest to the largest, and I delete completly the lower classes



tjhkkr -> RE: Ship Design (3/11/2011 2:09:10 AM)

You may also get a a few more ideas from The WAR ROOM forum thread on how to deal with pirates....Happy hunting!

That is pretty simple: never give them money, and blast them out of existance.
What is it Tommy Lee Jones says, 'I don't bargain.'



Chet Guiles -> RE: Ship Design (3/11/2011 9:55:08 PM)

I have no issue dealing with Pirates. My Annihilator Class exploration ships have enough firepower to take out anything short of a Pirate Cruiser (which as Larsenex points out, does happen). As long as other AI Empires can't just automatically scrounge my beautiful ship designs...

Build a couple of small fleets early (I like to name them appropriately, like "Pirates' Delight") and position them as fast attack squadrons to terminate any pirate strongholds the exploration ships find. Add larger ships and troop carrier later as needed.

Thanks for the feedback, all.



Merker -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 11:58:54 AM)

But whyyyyy get rid of pirates?! Pirates are sooooooooooo fun!! They can be the best allies you can get in this game, never betraying you and only requiring a measly sum to stay that way. Plus they hit the mining bases of your enemies, or a potential enemy without you bothering to send the fleet or losing rep over it.  You can direct their attacks and even fund their fleet, something which is a lot more difficult with the other empires.

Plus nothing beats a teekan pirate at looks[:'(][:'(][:D]

By the way, I don't think I've ever seen a HUMAN pirate. Any thoughts on that?!

Cheers



Cvan -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 1:57:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Merker

But whyyyyy get rid of pirates?! Pirates are sooooooooooo fun!! They can be the best allies you can get in this game, never betraying you and only requiring a measly sum to stay that way. Plus they hit the mining bases of your enemies, or a potential enemy without you bothering to send the fleet or losing rep over it.  You can direct their attacks and even fund their fleet, something which is a lot more difficult with the other empires.

Plus nothing beats a teekan pirate at looks[:'(][:'(][:D]

By the way, I don't think I've ever seen a HUMAN pirate. Any thoughts on that?!

Cheers


Because humans are honest and peaceful people! Or is it because Races.txt states that they can't be pirates!?

quote:

Human, 4, 0, 1.14, 110, 110, 110, 110, 120, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 15, 15, 0, 0, 6, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, Y, N, Y, 1, 20, 18, Sol, Strike Trooper Battalion



Data -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 4:05:49 PM)

Good find, Cvan, you're walking like a pro [:)]



Cvan -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 4:26:12 PM)

Hahaha thanks for the compliment, but modding DW (at least what we can currently modify) is very simple. If you ever tried modding Medieval Total War 2 then you know whats hard and painful editing.



Data -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 4:45:38 PM)

Man, I loved that game but just didn't work for me. So if I couldn't even play it....:)



Cvan -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 5:43:12 PM)

It's great game, specially if you like x4 games (irony intended).



ehsumrell1 -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 8:23:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Data

Good find, Cvan, you're walking like a pro [:)]


...and he sews a hell of a stitch or two as well! [:D]



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Cvan -> RE: Ship Design (3/12/2011 8:42:01 PM)

How nice of you!

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Chet Guiles -> RE: Ship Design (3/16/2011 1:57:31 AM)

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.



cookie monster -> RE: Ship Design (3/16/2011 3:11:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.


What kind of design did you use?

I redesigned my early explorers to 800 fuel and researched the fast caslon hyperdrive. I readjusted thrusters etc to get same specs or higher for turn rate. I need the range on 1400 star galaxy.

I also redesigned my destroyers to carry more troops, to fill a dual role at the start when money was tight. I had lots of hostile independant colonies to take over.



AminMaalouf -> RE: Ship Design (3/16/2011 7:27:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cookie monster


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chet Guiles

Blowing Pirates out of the "water" so to speak is one of the reasons I have developed the "Annihilator Class" Exploration ship. Serves double duty as explorer and destroyer.


What kind of design did you use?

I redesigned my early explorers to 800 fuel and researched the fast caslon hyperdrive. I readjusted thrusters etc to get same specs or higher for turn rate. I need the range on 1400 star galaxy.

I also redesigned my destroyers to carry more troops, to fill a dual role at the start when money was tight. I had lots of hostile independant colonies to take over.

I would be interested in your both explorer designs.



Chet Guiles -> RE: Ship Design (3/18/2011 1:33:26 AM)

I try to maximize weapons to be at least equiv to a frigate or destroyer, then in subsequent upgrades when I can have larger ships, better weapons, try to be about destroyer class. An explorer with enough weapons to kill off a gang of pirates can explore the far reaches (with sufficient fuel) without having to have excorts. (Whatever excorts are -- duh.)

One issue -- early in the game oversized explorers can be EXPENSIVE and may want more hydrogen or caslon than you have readily available.



Data -> RE: Ship Design (3/18/2011 7:58:26 AM)

Early in the game I desing small and cheap explorers then spur tons of them. Even the smallest damage can destroy them but they spread like wildfire regardless.



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