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GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/16/2011 10:51:57 PM)
No CR, i don't think Rader has to be biased. Having too many HRs means, most of the times, no fun and endless discussions. Better to have few and for the rest everybody can do what he pleases. That's my experience with other games i played. However yes, i do see lots of engeneers above all. Rader can build bases in less than a week with impunity but he cannot have that kind of stack everywhere...How many bases can he cover with that AA system? 2? ok, but then there are also the marching troops. If he wants to make flak-traps for my bombers he has to bring many of those AAA units with his marching troops...and that means less AA on his AFs... His other units are closing over Madras and Intel says some are prepping for Cylon...so he probably wants to clear everything on his back before triggering the LOD...but i bet in no time we're gonna start to see Sweeps and Airfield Bombings... It will be interesting[8D]

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/16/2011 11:43:59 PM)
MAY 31 - JUNE 1st 1942 Ok, the only thing that discovered my subs is that Truk is heavily mined...lost the S-Threaser hitting 4 (FOUR) mines[:@] For the rest, they do not seem to arise the detection level of a single point...nothing... During the replay for a moment i spotted, while my cats were taking photos, a unit at Tarawa but then when i loaded the turn...the little red squadre was gone[:o]. How i'd love to have some of those long range recon planes Japan has[:(] Anyhow we'll keep on reconning, hoping to get some decent Infos... KB is still missing...I cannot move till i know where it is...getting REALLY tense

Nemo121 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/16/2011 11:54:09 PM)
You do realise that recon flights work both ways. Reconning something gives you info and tells your opponent that you are interested in that place. I am assuming that you haven't thought to run a maskirovka for your reconnaissance efforts in order not to tip your hand. You should begin doing so. Also, your focus on avoiding a major defeat in the Pacific would be laudable if it didn't raise the question of what you think is about to happen to you in India? I doubt it is going to be a glorious victory. As to Alfred... He is disquieted since he gave good advice and while you may have listened I believe he didn't feel you acted on it or strove to incorporate it. That's why he reacted as he did.

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:19:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nemo121 You do realise that recon flights work both ways. Reconning something gives you info and tells your opponent that you are interested in that place. I am assuming that you haven't thought to run a maskirovka for your reconnaissance efforts in order not to tip your hand. You should begin doing so. Also, your focus on avoiding a major defeat in the Pacific would be laudable if it didn't raise the question of what you think is about to happen to you in India? I doubt it is going to be a glorious victory. As to Alfred... He is disquieted since he gave good advice and while you may have listened I believe he didn't feel you acted on it or strove to incorporate it. That's why he reacted as he did. For what concerns recon, yes, i get it...but i have any choice? I'm sending subs everywhere hoping to confuse him a bit...then i'm sending single AK ships from paramushiro Jima to Iwo, Marcus, Wake and kwalajein...want to see how many betties he has there What's a Maskirovka? you mean a fake operation? About India? well, call me a dreamer but i think i may have a chance of stopping him. Everything will be decided on IF i can get those reinforcements triggered to Karachi in time...I know it's a tiny possibility...but i do see he's slowing down...for sure he's in doubt too about what is waiting for him...don't forget that this is a land where nobody has arrived before and so Rader too must have some concerns and headhaces about it!

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:22:07 AM)
Some interesting news from the Intelligence: 18519 men are based at Saipan (108,93). 28th Engineer Regiment is located at Marcus Island(123,85). 1st Air Army is loaded on a Japanese xAK moving to Guam. And that means the Mariannas are defended. A regiment at Marcus means LOTS of forts for sure...and an Air HQ at Guam may only mean strong aviation forces there.... 20k men at Saipan....mmmmm.... bad news i'd say

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:28:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Strange enough Scoodra doesn't trigger the LOD despite being northwards of Dehli. However guys, think i'll be the first one who will experiment the reinforcement trigger and a siege of Karachi...[:D] In case you haven't read it, this is the thread which lists and shows screenies for the emergency reenforcement package. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2616532&mpage=1&key=Emergency%2CReenforcements� The Ind Convoy which dumps lots of new devices in the pools is at the end of the stack of screenies. Note that you DO get a bunch of free aircraft: Hurricane IIa Trops (x72), Vengance Is (x36), Wellington Ic (x72), and Catalina Is (x24). One more is garbled in the screenshot. From the editor, I believe it is Spitfire VIII (x72). These aircraft data may enter into your decision to withdraw groups. Or not.

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:30:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Strange enough Scoodra doesn't trigger the LOD despite being northwards of Dehli. However guys, think i'll be the first one who will experiment the reinforcement trigger and a siege of Karachi...[:D] In case you haven't read it, this is the thread which lists and shows screenies for the emergency reenforcement package. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2616532&mpage=1&key=Emergency%2CReenforcements? The Ind Convoy which dumps lots of new devices in the pools is at the end of the stack of screenies. Note that you DO get a bunch of free aircraft: Hurricane IIa Trops (x72), Vengance Is (x36), Wellington Ic (x72), and Catalina Is (x24). One more is garbled in the screenshot. From the editor, I believe it is Spitfire VIII (x72). These aircraft data may enter into your decision to withdraw groups. Or not. How can i thank you!?!? PRICELESS!!!!!!!! Now these are very important news!!!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:32:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Ok, that's what we can call LOGISTIC!!!.... uncountable base forces, engeneers and AA units at SURAT!!....Oh God... Do you know if this includes the three divisions which had been at Socotra? Or if not, where those men are or went?

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:32:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel LOL I count five divisions, so certainly he can have many more than that on the loose in India. But those titanic stacks 65 units tall are comprised heavily of non-combat units. At least you learned that much. I may be biased in favor of GreyJoy given his newness to the game, but shouldn't rader be a bit embarrassed to have 38 AA units in a single hex? I mean, isn't it time we formed a kangaroo court and levied a few fines? I don't know the IJA OOB a bit, but do any of them have any AV for garrison purposes? Or are they all blanks?

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:35:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy His other units are closing over Madras and Intel says some are prepping for Cylon...so he probably wants to clear everything on his back before triggering the LOD...but i bet in no time we're gonna start to see Sweeps and Airfield Bombings... It will be interesting[8D] I wonder if he's planning a second spearhead on the Delhi longitude, to engage that portion of the map, and cover the flank of his main thrust north for Karachi? Some of those engineers and AA could be on trains headed east pretty soon if that's the case.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:42:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy For what concerns recon, yes, i get it...but i have any choice? I'm sending subs everywhere hoping to confuse him a bit...then i'm sending single AK ships from paramushiro Jima to Iwo, Marcus, Wake and kwalajein...want to see how many betties he has there Well, yeah, you have a choice. Sub recon is "free" more or less; subs are pesky and all over the place all the time. But airborne recon is a red flag. The quesiton is, if you have perfect recon of Tarawa what do you change? Anything? You have everything that'll float in this Marshalls op, including your carriers. If the KB is there you win some you lose some, you withdraw, maybe. The chances of it being there are slim, however. Anything else and you have force to spare to deal with it. Why give him a head start on planning his response? You may need those extra 3-5 days to unload from xAKs in 1942. Unless you're going to make a decision with it, avoid the recon.

Nemo121 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 12:54:09 AM)
quote: ...then i'm sending single AK ships from paramushiro Jima to Iwo, Marcus, Wake and kwalajein...want to see how many betties he has there LOL! YOu might as just hand him the plans for your offensive if you are doing that. Your only hope is that, a la Market Garden, he believes you'd never be so obvious as to telegraph your intentions like that.

Fishbed -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 1:01:17 AM)
- never send subs in major port hex, or even more generally in a port hex, that's cheap suicide - the AK thing sounds gamey to me, compromising for your plans, and useless. Any Betty unit can get anywhere in 2 or 3 turns, so you should rather think about how you can be expected to neutralize Wotje if that's the only threat in your next area of operations...

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 1:18:22 AM)
Ok, ok...seems i never take the right decision [:(] recon stopped. Only 1 unit spotted at Tarawa btw...and that's good. 37 ships at Truk with plenty of DDs and ACMs (at least that what the sunk sub has reported before its death)...70 fighters and 50 bombers... Still no sign of the KB...[:-] AKs called back to PH...we're gonna go blind...ok, cannot do anything at this point but cross my fingers and hope the KB doesn't pop up in the middle of my landings...would be a massacre [:(] Don't know if he wants to also use the other vector...but he has stripped all his units from Dehli area weeks ago and he has moved everything to Surat. However i cannot do anything about it...if he splits the better...it will take him some more time! going to bed now...tomorrow think we're gonna see something interesting... night guys...thank you all

Fishbed -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 1:20:32 AM)
You can still send picket ships if you want as a sort of early warning system, but don't send suicide AKs to the Kuriles, that should be ok [;)]

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 6:52:00 AM)
I went out of synchrony. The replay showed things that, according to the combat report, never happened. Obviously those things showed were favourable (4 enemy DDs sunk by my air torpedo at Karachi)...[:(] Instead those DDs, after having sunk 3 AKs, 3 Aux units and 2 DEs managed to get away without a scratch [:@]... Strange things happened again...there was a TF composed of 6 AKs parked right 2 hexes north of Karachi, with 20k supplies. I ordered them to retreat to Karachi and unload the cargo...after 2 days turn i found here right at the same place but with no cargo at all...[&:][&:][&:] However JUNE 3-4 1942 As said a DDs TF managed to savage my shippings close to Karachi and to went away untouched. My torpedo bombers don't seem to be able to hit a fast moving DD. At Surat everything is quiet... Japanese paras landed at Jaffna (north of Cylon) and conquered the base. Madras is ready to be sieged. Still no sign of the KB....[:o] It's been a month now since the last time i saw it... I'd really need something for my morale right now...

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 8:00:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Ok, that's what we can call LOGISTIC!!!.... uncountable base forces, engeneers and AA units at SURAT!!....Oh God... Do you know if this includes the three divisions which had been at Socotra? Or if not, where those men are or went? No, the 3 divisions and half that attacked Scoodra were not at Surat. 38th, Imperial and 1st Guards...my guess is that they are still at Scoodra ready to land at Colombo or Addu Atoll in order to finish the job and neutralize my southern resistance before advancing north.

modrow -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 8:04:10 AM)
GreyJoy, quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy I'd really need something for my morale right now... you can learn a lot from this game. That's a gain that will have a meaning beyond this game and could represent great motivation - at least it would be for me. Just my 2cts. Hartwig

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/17/2011 8:25:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow GreyJoy, quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy I'd really need something for my morale right now... you can learn a lot from this game. That's a gain that will have a meaning beyond this game and could represent great motivation - at least it would be for me. Just my 2cts. Hartwig I know Hartwig! And i've already learnt a lot. And i'm still motivated! I just need a little turning point ...where i could see the light at the end of the tunnell [:)]

jeffk3510 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 3:29:43 AM)
GreyJoy- any action lately?

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 6:57:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jeffk3510 GreyJoy- any action lately? Yes jeffk, we went on but i'm pretty busy at work these days and had not the time to update the aar properly. Will do it soon. However Attu Atoll fell, Madras Fell, Cylon is invaded, the KB is still missing, LOD not triggered, Iwo Jiima and the Bonins heavily reinforced lately, Mariannas reinforced...not exactly the best news i could get. The only good thing is that Manila gave him a couple of bloody noses again. In India keeping our withdraw-scheldued air groups is costing more PPs than i get...thus i'm at 0[:o]. The first P-38Es finally arrived in line at Karachi. This will give some decent long-legged escorts to my bombers. Hope to be able to update the whole aar tomorrow. thanks

jeffk3510 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 5:55:35 PM)
Everyone always says jeff k... jeff will do just fine [:)]

Canoerebel -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 6:05:09 PM)
Easier said than done, but you probably need to carefully and knowledgeably evaluate your air power in India. You're not going to have many airfields, and eventually Japan should be able to close those you do have. This should happen no matter how many fighters you have, because Japan should be able to win the air battle by sheer weight of numbers. The sitaution will be exacerbated by the fact that you'll have few airfields to move between for some rest and repairs. Some of your fighters, and some of your bombers, are more useful than others. You'll need to cull out those that aren't particularly helpful. Withdraw them. Then figure out how many you can really use effectively. At this point, your fighters are going to become more important than your bombers. Japan should be able to knock out all your RAF bombers, leaving just the American heavies as effective tools. Eventually even those will become more of a liability than a benefit, as so many will be down for repairs and the rest only managing relatively ineffective strikes. Then it will come down to your better fighters. Maintaining an effective airforce is, of course, important. But you have to constantly reevaluate your situation against the need and benefit of political points. You'll want to be swapping out poor or marginal LCU commanders for good ones - they could make a difference in your final Rourke's Drift defense of northwestern India. To be honest, your in big, big doo-doo in India. Even if you could bring in reinforcements from Aden/Capetown, you're still about four months away from reaching a strength where you could contemplate winning this battle. In all likelihood, you will lose Karachi and northwest India. Given the rather desperate nature of your situation it makes sense to take some calculated risks elsewhere. So don't let shadows and noises and your active imagination stop you from crafting and implementing the best plans you are capable of devising. If they end badly, you've done your best.

jeffk3510 -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 10:31:16 PM)
GreyJoy- I have been waiting for an update [>:]... we're not very busy in the grain business this time of the year...

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 10:47:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Easier said than done, but you probably need to carefully and knowledgeably evaluate your air power in India. You're not going to have many airfields, and eventually Japan should be able to close those you do have. This should happen no matter how many fighters you have, because Japan should be able to win the air battle by sheer weight of numbers. The sitaution will be exacerbated by the fact that you'll have few airfields to move between for some rest and repairs. Some of your fighters, and some of your bombers, are more useful than others. You'll need to cull out those that aren't particularly helpful. Withdraw them. Then figure out how many you can really use effectively. At this point, your fighters are going to become more important than your bombers. Japan should be able to knock out all your RAF bombers, leaving just the American heavies as effective tools. Eventually even those will become more of a liability than a benefit, as so many will be down for repairs and the rest only managing relatively ineffective strikes. Then it will come down to your better fighters. Maintaining an effective airforce is, of course, important. But you have to constantly reevaluate your situation against the need and benefit of political points. You'll want to be swapping out poor or marginal LCU commanders for good ones - they could make a difference in your final Rourke's Drift defense of northwestern India. To be honest, your in big, big doo-doo in India. Even if you could bring in reinforcements from Aden/Capetown, you're still about four months away from reaching a strength where you could contemplate winning this battle. In all likelihood, you will lose Karachi and northwest India. Given the rather desperate nature of your situation it makes sense to take some calculated risks elsewhere. So don't let shadows and noises and your active imagination stop you from crafting and implementing the best plans you are capable of devising. If they end badly, you've done your best. CR, interesting considerations about the Indian Air Force. It's a tough call btw. I'm now accumulating over 120 PP points lost every day[:o]...I withdrawn every bomber group that was called back (even the precious hudsons), but can i really withdraw 5 hurricane groups??? I mean...these are my most valuable weapon against the zeros till the spits come online...Can i really withdraw them? Don't think so unfortunately... I know my situation is very desperate... i'm basing my hopes, for what concerns the air war, on the defenders' advantage and on the uncoordinated strikes. If, as i hope, Japan will be affected by uncoordination, maybe i can inflict him some decent losses. I'm keeping my pilots' skill very high (almost every fighter squadron in India has an Air skill between 65 and 70) and my pools are pretty full (200 P-40s, 110 hurricanes of various types and some 150 P-39s) and i'm saving fighters everywhere. What can i do more? I know i need those PPs...but without my fighters the battle of India is already lost. If Rader hasn't advanced yet towards Karachi, i'm sure it's because he hasn't reduced yet my fighting capabilities in the air. Consider that, till now, Rader has relied strongly on his air force to conduct his blitz-krieg advances (china and southern India) and that's the first time he faces a well prepared and pretty strong massed air force. My torpedo bombers and my 4Es are doing their job as a "air-fleet in being" in keeping at bay his naval forces... We arrived at the 11th of June Jeff....Japan has bombed with everything he had Attu Atoll, which finally fell on the 8th. Paras landing all over Cylon, in order to isolate Colombo...now reinforcements are flowing in by sea and the days of Cylon are counted. At Bombay my army managed to get back into the city and it's now being fighting on the perimeter with a huge japanese army...however, after 7 days, he hasn't been able to push me back out [:D] Madras fell under the pressure of 800 AVs composed only by Tanks...a japanese PanzerArmee[8D] Still no sign of the KB...i'm conducting some minor operations in the pacific in order to prepare the way for the upcoming invasions....however i've been discovered...SS grampus managed to intercept a strong convoy unloading at Iwo Jiima...at least 7 AKs unloading troops and materials...sunk one of them but nothing more... 3 more convoys have been intercepted by my subs while delivering reinforces to the Gilberts/Marshalls (for sure Maleop and Wotje...)... bad luck i'd say...Rader has sent in reinforcements just in time...Saipan and the Mariannas are confirmed well garrisoned...Intel keep on telling me about men and units brought all over the places[:o] Manila still holds!![sm=00000055.gif] Oh, i managed to get my RN CVs out...they made a couple of runs (touch and go style) in the Arabian Sea...they didn't sink anything but the showed themselfs...and that was the pourpose...i know i've risked a lot...but i have to let Rader know that i still have fangs and nails to hurt him if he gets too overconfident!! turn will be delivered in few minutes...soon another update [;)]

SqzMyLemon -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 10:47:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy The first P-38Es finally arrived in line at Karachi. This will give some decent long-legged escorts to my bombers. I'd suggest you use your P-38's in anything but an escort role. Use your best pilots and get them sweeping or CAP'ing. You're wasting their potential and putting them at a combat disadvantage in an escort role.

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 10:51:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel To be honest, your in big, big doo-doo in India. Even if you could bring in reinforcements from Aden/Capetown, you're still about four months away from reaching a strength where you could contemplate winning this battle. In all likelihood, you will lose Karachi and northwest India. Given the rather desperate nature of your situation it makes sense to take some calculated risks elsewhere. So don't let shadows and noises and your active imagination stop you from crafting and implementing the best plans you are capable of devising. If they end badly, you've done your best. I know...i'm in a corner...with no way out and none can come and help me there...but i have to try. Won't last 4 more months for sure...Now i really hope Rader makes a mistake...I need something to believe in...my air power...a lucky sub hit...i don't know what...but i need to resist, dig in, pray and fight till the very last sip of blood. Afterall England in '40 was in a desperate situation too...the krauts made a couple of bad mistakes and they turned the tables... ok, situations are pretty different but...let me believe in it[:D]

GreyJoy -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 10:53:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy The first P-38Es finally arrived in line at Karachi. This will give some decent long-legged escorts to my bombers. I'd suggest you use your P-38's in anything but an escort role. Use your best pilots and get them sweeping or CAP'ing. You're wasting their potential and putting them at a combat disadvantage in an escort role. Really? haven't i read somewhere that the p-38s, due to their high maintenance value, aren't suited for a CAP role???

Jzanes -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 11:01:41 PM)
P38s are best used for long range sweeps. Using them on CAP will lead to most of them being in maintenance very quickly. This is especially true of the early P38E variant. Service ratings gradually get better with the newer variants but even the late war P38L is a tough plane to keep operational. Using them on escort will get them killed. You don't get many P38s until late in the war and they aren't really all that effective for some reason. Even in the pure sweeper role. The P47 and the Spitfire VIII are the first planes the allies get that can really chew up japanese fighters.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: The door of India is open (5/18/2011 11:03:18 PM)
Regardless of the maintenance rating, would you rather be shooting down Japanese aircraft or have your own lost escorting? Escorts get chewed alive in this game...your call. [;)]

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