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Klydon -> RE: Morale loss if Moscow falls? (4/15/2011 1:30:28 AM)
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Not everything in Moscow needs to be moved out. (none of the MIG factories for example). Most of the important stuff is in East Moscow. I know what you are saying as far as there is a lot of stuff to move out of Moscow and there is. The issue is how far Moscow is from the front and what it takes (to the detriment of AGS) to get there. With over 1/2 of PG1 not available on turn 1 in this game, the Axis either strip units from PG2 to help destroy units in the south or face an absolute wall that AGS is going no where fast against. Given that AGS can not break the Russian defenses on its own, the Russians do not have to concern themselves with removing industry from the south even tho some of it is relatively close to the front.
There is industry in very few places on the road to Moscow and Minsk is doomed anyway. The other place likely to need to have industry removed immediately is Mogilev. After that, the only places west of Moscow that are even remotely close are Kaluga and Kalinin and you have to be on Moscow's doorstep anyway.
While it is true heat on Leningrad will cause the removal of industry there, not all of the Leningrad industry needs to be moved out either (the armored car plant for one). The huge one to get out of Leningrad is the KV factory. This is likely the second most important factory the Germans could get in 1941 after the Kharkov T34 plant.
In the south, immediate pressure can be brought to bear on many sites that contain industry and the way the rails are there, the Germans can cut them off a lot easier than Moscow. Including the Kiev hex row (Y81) and south and west of Kharkov, there are no less than 9 cities that have industry. Just a bit to the east of this, more comes into play with Kharkov, Stalino, etc.
The point is that if AGS goes with a slow/historical start, the Russians can evacuate industry AND also move quite a few troops around to meet the Axis attacks because of the lead time it takes for the Axis troops to get to Moscow. The Axis will also have to fight through tons of troops that show up in the Moscow area. The best of both worlds in game right now seems to be putting as much pressure in the south as possible and also putting pressure on Leningrad. Leningrad does not generate enough troops on its own to stop a determined German offensive, so would eat rail cap for the troop movements to happen. The Russian must decide what gets priority. Either way, the Axis benefit from either a Russian defense that may not be getting re-enforced properly (Leningrad area) or risk losing industry. Provided AGS is re-enforced and the Axis get off a big "shock and awe" attack that wipes out much of the Russian starting army in the south, then the south will eat some rail cap up to move enough troops up to make a stand on the river behind Kiev and/or to move troops into position to prevent the Germans from sweeping through the bend before the Russians get a chance to evacuate industry from there.
Not only is the industrial factor (as in not getting enough of it wiped out) in play in an attack against Moscow, but there are no other tangible benefits from capturing Moscow and frankly, there should be.
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