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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
I'm tring to figure a way of incorporated the German and Italians into the mod.

An alternative approach would be to knock the Russians out of the war -- Germany invades, Russia collapses and fragments into warlord statelets, perhaps with a Japanese-dominated Far Eastern Republic, allowing the Germans access to Pacific Russia along the Trans-Siberian railway. It allows the deployment of a Panzer Armee Afrika equivalent, but at the end of a very tenuous supply line -- I'd restrict German units to German HQs and keep those very limited in number, while making European Russia a supply source but forcing the Axis to garrison the Trans-Siberia line. This idea is more problematic for extensive naval deployments, but would allow the Monsun Gruppe U-Boats and Raiders to be put on a firmer footing.

Simultaneously the collapse of Russia allows you to restrict the rate at which Allied commitment to the Pacific grows as the threat in Europe will be greater. It also creates the potential of a thrust at India from the West through the Caucusus and Persia (I'm not sure even Hitler was stupid enough to try coming south through Afghanistan).

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


I'd rather bring them in via the Red Sea and Mogadishu. One of the main reasons I have Germany in game is to introduce some neat new naval toys, Bismarck, H-Class BBs, Graf Zeppelin, etc. I don't think I could do that very well coming from Siberia.

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ORIGINAL: kfsgo

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


I'd rather bring them in via the Red Sea and Mogadishu. One of the main reasons I have Germany in game is to introduce some neat new naval toys, Bismarck, H-Class BBs, Graf Zeppelin, etc. I don't think I could do that very well coming from Siberia.

You could conceptually always bring them round the north of Siberia - have them arrive at Anadyr, I guess? - which was technically possible. Not really all that credible, but not really any less so than the alternatives, and there seems to have been at least one German raider that actually did make the trip that way.

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
I'll need to run some tests to see if I can split IJN and IJA nationalities between Japan and the European Axis so that the Germans and Italians aren't pulling from the same pilot pool as Japan.

Not sure this is possible.
Good luck

Not practicably possible. If you do that, army and navy pilots become fungible. All army and navy leaders become fungible. Majors commanding warships? Admirals commanding Divisions? Yamashita or Homma commanding Combined Fleet?

Hopefully your Nazi extras will just be ships and a few pilots. Obviously this won't be AI friendly, but even running one computer turn in a PBEM or H2H game will screw things up royally.

Suggest you do as Cid proposes and identify your Nazi stuff in data. People who play your mod can look for the KM designator and pick leaders appropriately. Why screw up 99% of the game just to have some pilots and ship commanders with German surnames?

Thanks for the feedback.

Hadn't thought of that. That's why I was asking for feedback on how practical it would be to split IJA & IJN between Japanese and Germans. I was wondering if there would be any negative ramifications to it. Looks like there would be.

One workaround I can think of to the problem of getting the right leader names in the right units is to zero out political points so that leaders cannot be changed by the player and basically assign leaders permanently to units from the get go. Of course this also means that HQs cannot be changed for units. One way I could get around problems with that is to simply do away for the most part with static HQs and make all my game HQs movable to wherever the player wants to send them. That would also serve to simplify the game a bit, take away the need to change around leaders and HQs.

Can anyone think of any drawbacks to zeroing out political points?

Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
You're overlooking other possibilities. Lack of an Eastern front would mean more German assets to make England's life miserable. That in itself would guarantee that Britain would have to focus primarily on home defense, locking up most of their units there. With the Soviets fighting the Germans the UK can hope to be ignored a bit and can still try to protect her far flung empire, occasionally attacking the Germans here and there. Otherwise the Germans would be able to concentrate their power on Britain alone. That wouldn't be a good thing either.

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Now, considering defeat in Africa, German troops should actually enter India by map edge, not make some weird amphibious invasions from Africa.

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My idea of a 111... He 111 H-4 of 4/KG.26. I used a too large top view pic in the 2 previous ones: they're 60 x 60 not 80 x 80, oops...

[image]local://upfiles/34100/514614F68E944B64AA4B3EAEFF05C075.jpg[/image]

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My idea of a 111... He 111 H-4 of 4/KG.26. I used a too large top view pic in the 2 previous ones: they're 60 x 60 not 80 x 80, oops...

[image]local://upfiles/34100/514614F68E944B64AA4B3EAEFF05C075.jpg[/image]

Looking good Erkki. Basically I'll be looking for both German and Italian aircraft to span the whole time period between 1/1/1942 to 1945, so anything you can make will probably go in the mod. [:)]

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Makes me think no one really cares one way or the other about this mod. Of course that may well be true. Maybe I'm just wasting my time working on this. Probably everyone would rather play something historically based instead of a bunch of fantasy nonsense.

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Now, thinking of it...
It is possible to TURN OFF possibility of splitting unit. Just set them to SMALLER size (it probably have no other purpose). So if you set even CORPS as battalion size, it should not be possible to split.

Also, have you tried setting leaders, and ships to belonging to unused Nation? Pilots needs in-game pool, but other things can use virtual Nation, if they are working in-game. There are 3 free slots in editor.

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Makes me think no one really cares one way or the other about this mod. Of course that may well be true. Maybe I'm just wasting my time working on this. Probably everyone would rather play something historically based instead of a bunch of fantasy nonsense.

I would think of it as a tool for teaching GC. If you seriously reduce timespan, and reinforcements, it will be quick learning tool for whole map composition, and available forces.

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Question for the experts:

I want to give the Japanese some CVs in place of the Yamatos. What would be a plausible substitute carrier-wise for the Yamatos, to be launched before January 1941. Also, I'd like to use a carrier design which would allow me to create 2 carriers per each Yamato. In other words, in the span it took to produce a Yamato, I'd like to pump out two CVs.

Any ideas, suggestions on what would be the likely candidate, another Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Junyo, or Unryu? What carrier design should I use? I'd like to keep it to an existing design used in the game, instead of a "never-was".

Thanks.

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Question for the experts:

I want to give the Japanese some CVs in place of the Yamatos. What would be a plausible substitute carrier-wise for the Yamatos, to be launched before January 1941. Also, I'd like to use a carrier design which would allow me to create 2 carriers per each Yamato. In other words, in the span it took to produce a Yamato, I'd like to pump out two CVs.

Any ideas, suggestions on what would be the likely candidate, another Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Junyo, or Unryu? What carrier design should I use? I'd like to keep it to an existing design used in the game, instead of a "never-was".

Thanks.

Additional Shokaku's are the obvious choice..., but don't forget the most expensive part---filling and maintaining the Air Groups. Historically the IJN went to war without enough trained pilots to man the A/C it possessed, and without enough A/C to fill it's carrier air groups. And do to it's fetish for over-training replacements, there was a severe shortage of them as well...., so just building additional CV's doesn't begin to cover the actual costs to Japan in money, time, and resources.

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Gary, you have my permission to use the art I did a while back:

http://www.alternatewars.com/Mods/WITP_AE/German/German_Art.htm

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To keep it simple, you can probably change all OSCARs I, into 1 model. Same with TBs, and probably BABEs.

As for the time:
2 years seems to be too long. CA can repair in around 3 months, BB can take over year, so, to allow some damages to heavy ships, Scenario should probably be longer, than 1 year.

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Question for the experts:

I want to give the Japanese some CVs in place of the Yamatos. What would be a plausible substitute carrier-wise for the Yamatos, to be launched before January 1941. Also, I'd like to use a carrier design which would allow me to create 2 carriers per each Yamato. In other words, in the span it took to produce a Yamato, I'd like to pump out two CVs.

Any ideas, suggestions on what would be the likely candidate, another Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Junyo, or Unryu? What carrier design should I use? I'd like to keep it to an existing design used in the game, instead of a "never-was".

Thanks.

Gary, my friend, I think you are worrying too much. If this is a balanced scenario, who cares what's plausible. Just go for it. If I was doing one of those, I would have alternating 'Kakus and Unryus arriving on the same dates as an Essex. The whole idea is balance, yeah? And sure, do the Yamato, Musashi, Shinano BBs to counter the NCs, SoDaks, and Iowas. Nobody is gonna scar you for doing that, so long as you say just what it is you are doing.

Frankly, that might be a fun thing. I strongly believe in limited, historically based, CPX-type scenarios that offer relative balance of forces. Have no idea how this would play out in a campaign game, but can imagine something like the old Tactics-II. Making a historically plausible what-if scenario is one thing. Making a 'balanced' scenario is something else entirely.

So throw historicity out the window. It's not Allies v Japan, it's green/brown v red. In that context, you can do what you darn please without worrying about what someone will say.

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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
Question for the experts:

I want to give the Japanese some CVs in place of the Yamatos. What would be a plausible substitute carrier-wise for the Yamatos, to be launched before January 1941. Also, I'd like to use a carrier design which would allow me to create 2 carriers per each Yamato. In other words, in the span it took to produce a Yamato, I'd like to pump out two CVs.

Any ideas, suggestions on what would be the likely candidate, another Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Junyo, or Unryu? What carrier design should I use? I'd like to keep it to an existing design used in the game, instead of a "never-was".

Thanks.

Gary, my friend, I think you are worrying too much. If this is a balanced scenario, who cares what's plausible. Just go for it. If I was doing one of those, I would have alternating 'Kakus and Unryus arriving on the same dates as an Essex. The whole idea is balance, yeah? And sure, do the Yamato, Musashi, Shinano BBs to counter the NCs, SoDaks, and Iowas. Nobody is gonna scar you for doing that, so long as you say just what it is you are doing.

Frankly, that might be a fun thing. I strongly believe in limited, historically based, CPX-type scenarios that offer relative balance of forces. Have no idea how this would play out in a campaign game, but can imagine something like the old Tactics-II. Making a historically plausible what-if scenario is one thing. Making a 'balanced' scenario is something else entirely.

So throw historicity out the window. It's not Allies v Japan, it's green/brown v red. In that context, you can do what you darn please without worrying about what someone will say.

I agree whole heartedly. I like the concept of alternating Sho's and Unryu's. I would look at something faster than the Yamato's though. Since Japan is embarking on more concentrated air warfare model, then the B-64 battle cruisers make more since. Faster and armed with the excellent 100mm AA guns. Able to actually keep up with the fast carriers.